__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0252 April 7, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Music Everywhere You GoSubject: For LA Spectropoppers Sent: 04/03/19 6:53 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: David B Ponak, dpoXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Sorry to use this this list for self promotion, but LA Spectropoppers in Los Angeles might enjoy this. My band, the Mello Cads, is opening up for LA greats The Negro Problem this Thursday (4/8) at Luna Park. (Robertson, just south of Santa Monica Blvd. in West Hollywood) The Cads will be doing covers ranging from Paul Williams to Burt Bacharach to the Free Design. TNP are one of LA's premiere bands. Imagine Jimmy Webb meets XTC meets Zappa. We're on at 9:15. Sorry again for the personal plug, David --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: It's OK Sent: 04/06/19 8:33 pm Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com It's OK Brian, the public is just very uninformed. Actually, there were many fine women jazz musicians back when I started (1949 and well into the 50s), something again the public has little idea of. I just was interviewed on a note-worthy project film by a great woman director "Women in Jazz", about the many women of the 40s- 50s etc. that only played with men, like I did (jazz guitar in the 50s way before studio work). Lucky I was a guitar player and said "yes" when asked to do stuio work for Bumps Blackwell for Sam Cooke in Dec. 1957. None of our names got on all the huge amount of work studio musicians did for everybody back in the 60s, the Union didn't insist on that until 1973. We really didn't care, there were so many lies being printed in trade mags anyway, and we didn't want our business to stop (making as much money as doctors) so we kept quiet, didn't care, could keep from traveling on the road and be home with our families, all of us raising our kids about the same time. As far as "females" go in the biz, yes, I was the only one in the rhythm sections in the studios in the 60s but a few came along early 70s etc. But there were many many respected women in jazz (yes the male musicians loved working with them....contrary to the later rock era generation bias) where you have to be hugely talented to be able to play good jazz....it's not a "boob" business nor entertainment like the current phase where so many women are working but the great professionals are still unheard of. >Jerry lives in Arizona, and still performs regularly >in Phoenix. I'm glad to hear that about Jerry Riopelle...if anyone runs into him in Phoenix, please give him my LOVE, he's a dear person, fine to work for. Glad to hear he's alright, doing good. Thank-you, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: one other Sent: 04/03/19 10:43 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com There was one other woman who was a guitarist, Mary Osbor, doing some studio work in NYC in the 40s and 50s before she moved out here to Bakersfield in the late 60s.... wonderful player, like Charlie Christian style guitar. She was respected by all the regular studio musicians. But I am the most-recorded bass player in the world (male or female) and I don't think she came close to working the 10,000 plus recording calls I did. Still she is not known to the public at all.......the "image" lie problem. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com PS. I spoke to guitar legend Johnny Smith about her and he said "yes, she was a fine studio guitarist in NYC, took care of business!". I've met Mary (who is deceased) and hung out with her once in the 80s, great gal....we had fun together going to the jazz club. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Mike Berry Sent: 04/07/19 6:45 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com > Two of their biggest hit singles in Winnipeg were Shakin' > All Over (Johnny Kidd and The Pirates) and Tribute To > Buddy Holly (Mike Berry). For those of you interested in Mike Berry, he plays in some episodes of an early 70s british TV series "Are You Being Served" he plays the junior sales clerk in Grace Brothers department store. This is from one of the Web sites on the show. Paul Urbahns paulurbXXXXXXXXom Mike Berry played Bert Spooner Junior Salesman in Gentlemen's Ready-To-Wear 1981 - 1985 In 1963 Mike Berry and the Outlaws were one of the hottest bands in Britain. They were headlining at the Cavern Club in Liverpool, when two members of one of the supporting bands offered to write them a song. Unimpressed, Mike turned them down. The two songwriters were John Lennon and Paul McCartney. When his musical career went into a decline, he took up race car driving for several years, but eventually returned to music and television. Appearing in, among other things,Worzel Gummidge with ex-Doctor Who, Jon Pertwee. The year before he was offered the part of Mr. Spooner, Mike had his greatest hit with "The Sunshine of Your Smile", which earned a silver disc. It wasn't until the final episode of Are You Being Served? that Mike's musical talent was revealed in the episode 'The Pop Star' in which he was backed by the rest of the cast. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Pontiacs Sent: 04/08/19 6:45 pm Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Dave Mirich, DmirXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com > This is off Spectropop topic but....thanks Jack Madani for > mentioning the Pontiac GTO--I've got two 1967's! Whenever I > dust one off and take it out on a Sunday for a little > nostalgic cruise I always play a tape (8-track of course!) > of The Rascals "Groovin'"---that song sounds like it was > written for that car! The Pontiacs and this-list-type '60's > music are my big time-consumers. Some unkind souls would > say "time wasters" but I don't really think so, do you? > > Regards, > Jim Thanks Jim for validating to of my major reasons for existing -- ''60s music and '60s Pontiac cars! My daily driver is a 66 Bonneville (428) and I also have a very quick 64 Grand Prix. In the bone yard I have a 65 2+2 (421) waiting for me to find the time and energy (and money). I've had a few stories published about my Pontiac affliction, one of them entitled "This Search for the Truth about the Beach Boys and Their Grand Prix Cars". I would email these articles to you if you let me know. Happy motoring! Dave Mirich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: GTOs/Bonnie and the Treasures Sent: 04/09/19 10:23 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXXXXXXt.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com > I suppose the closest approximation to *anything* that I > can come up with is "If Zappa's LUMPY GRAVY had funnier > dialogue segments and its sections of Varese-inspired > modern "classical" music were replaced with schoolyard > jump-rope rhymes as performed by either the very stoned or > the slightly autistic, it would sound like PERMANENT > DAMAGE." Whether you want to hear this album depends on > whether or not you think this would be a good thing. Okay, for those of us who have never heard a Zappa song (and that probably just means me) would a girl group junkie like this album? I enjoy pretty much all types of music, but this doesn't exactly sound like music. Any liner notes with the reissue? Is it still readily available? > Bonnie and > the Treasures made the play lists of very few stations, as > evidenced by a Billboard national chart placing of 77. I > never heard their version on the radio, not once. However, > on the stations I listened to, Jody Miller was played a lot > and made the Top 10 (#25 nationally). What's the difference between the two versions? Is Jody's as produced? The Bonnie version I have is incredibly overwhelming, and I had to listen to it several times before I could make out all of the lyrics. That being said, every time I hear "Home Of The Brave," lyrics (which are superb) or not, I think it has to be considered one of the best wall of sound imitations ever! I get shivers! Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Hey MRS Kotter Sent: 04/03/19 6:43 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Paul MacArthur, Rtf_XXXXXXXXedu To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com RE: Mrs Kotter > I absolutely love this nicely produced pop song and I > found it amusing that she sung JUST >as bad as she acted. Yeah, but she was kinda cute. - Paulie Mac --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: re:pyche pop list and gtos... Sent: 04/08/19 2:31 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Rough Trade Shop, deXXXXXXXXtrade.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com i've got the gtos album and its kinda primitive...... chanty kiddy sing songy stuff.....a bit like skinned teen but older!!! the lyrics are all kinda in jokes stuff to do with who was hanging out with frank z. etc at the time... theres a book by pamela barres (i think thats her name.... ) called 'i'm with the band' about her time as a groupie (not sordid...just funny and interesting....) and how frank formed the gtos (she was in em...) i nominate: nirvana-rainbow chaser, and anything by jason crest for the psyche pop list... is anyone else as happy as i am that they're reissuing all that lee hazlewood stuff???????? first two release are ' cowboy in sweden' and a new release called 'farmisht, flatulence, origami, arf and me' xxx delia xx > >Subject: Re: Psyche-Pop Song List >Received: 04/01/99 12:56 am >From: WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXXXXXXt.com >To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com > >Being a girl group nut, how about the Chiffons' "Nobody >Knows What's Going On (In My Mind But Me)" It's considered >one of the first psyche-pop records. Has anyone ever heard >of Girls Together Outrageously (the GTOs). Frank Zappa's >girl group? A little off-topic, but I'd like to know. I've >never heard anything by them, although they recorded an >album. > >Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ideas at Liberty Sent: 04/03/19 2:45 am Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm From: Doc Rock, docroXXXXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com All the talk about Spector label variations brings to mind my discussions of the Liberty label with founder Si Waronker: Ideas at Liberty A lot of thought went into most projects at Liberty, from the albums to the record labels. Si Waronker and his staff/ friends used to sit for hours and hours and try to think of new ways to merchandise and record. There were two rows of little stars on the top of the album covers, which made it much easier to find Liberty LPs in those tight record racks in the stores. "The stars were made for that. We built our own two-track machines at the end of 1957 when we moved into our first big office, at La Brea, because the studio did not have them and we couldn't afford to buy them! So we built them. All I did was take two recording heads and place them together, hooked up to two different microphone systems. We recorded that way, on one quarter inch tape. "As soon as I got the idea for Liberty records and got clearance, we used the Statue of Liberty. The first label was one color because we couldn't afford full color printing. The rainbow was something I added to give it more 'oomph.' But when we were pressing the Chipmunks' record, they ran out of colored paper, and it was pressed with no Liberty logo at all! As time went by and we saw what we could do for an extra nickel, we did the rainbow color version. "Our first label, I ordered green paper. I told them to keep it on hand, we would be around a long time. Then I found records with a black label! They told me that they had run out of green. First Capitol pressed for us, then RCA. Then a couple of independent pressers. They had to get their paper, and very often it was different. We wanted our own pressing plant, but I had to stop somewhere ! A lot of Liberty labels are bootlegs, you can see them because the colors are not reproduced so well. When I was in New York and the Chipmunk record was so big they were hawking them on the corner like knock-off watches, I saw them in black labels and yellow labels. They were bootlegs!" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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