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Spectropop V#0245

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 03/19/99

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       Volume #0245                          March 19, 1999   
              A lifetime of pure listening enjoyment          
    Subject:     The Girls' Scene
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Ian, this record sounds fantastic! How can I get a copy? 
    Do you sell them directly, or can I order it from my local
    record store? What is the sound quality like on these 
    recordings? Liner notes?
    > The (Blue) Orchids - Oo Chang A Lang
    > Adrienne Poster - Shang A Doo Lang
    > Exceptions - Soldier Boy
    > Lulu - Try To Understand
    > Marianne Faithfull - Is This What I Get For Loving You?
    > Jean Martin - Save The Last Dance For Me
    > Vernons Girls - Only You Can Do It
    > Antoinette - Jenny Let Him Go
    > There's also Olivia Newton John's first record, "Til You 
    > Say You'll Be Mine", and a Joe Meek track, "My Friend Bobby" 
    > by Pamela Blue.
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    Subject:     The Girls' Scene
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Ian Chapman wrote:
    >Please don't think I'm using Spectropop to advertise...
    To tell us about a new Brit GG comp? Are you kidding?
    >...a CD I compiled featuring 60s girls who recorded for UK
    >Decca is now out. It's called "The Girls' Scene" and is on 
    >Deram 844 897-2. 
    Upon reading this in ish #244, I immediately called my 
    local disc shop, confirmed they had a copy and picked it 
    up. Ian, this is great, great stuff. Anyone who enjoys the
    Brit GG stuff on the Pye series "Here Comes the Girls" must
    have this. Simply amazing.
    First of all. perhaps my very favorite Joe Meek record 
    ever, "My Friend Bobby" by Pamela Blue is on here. Perfect
    example of Joe Meek's distinctive style. Can't say enough 
    about this side. I have this on a Decca 2LP set called The
    Joe Meek Story, but I have never seen it on CD before in 
    spite of the fabulous Joe Meek reissues that have been 
    issued in recent years. OK, Ian, you say in the liner 
    notes that this was her only release. What does the B side 
    sound like??? (side note - why do we not talk more of Joe 
    Meek here?)
    Of additional interest are two very obscure Jagger/
    Richards songs, one the celebrated Adrienne (Poster?) 
    Posta's "Shang A Doo Lang" which is Oldham doing faux 
    Spector. A great, great record. The other one, which I had
    never heard before, is Vashti's "Some Things Just Stick in 
    Your Mind". Really interesting.
    There are some clunkers on here too, but these too are 
    worth hearing, especially when they are covers of US GG 
    records. Marianne Faithfull's take on Ronnie's "Is This 
    What I Get For Loving You" is pathetic. The agony, longing, 
    anguish built into the lyric and so effectively 
    communicated in the Ronettes version is completely absent 
    here. Marianne sounds as cold as a Frigidaire on this. "Is
    This What I Get For Loving You" may be perhaps my fave 
    Ronettes song ever, so I am probably very biased, but this
    is very strange indeed! Didn't Oldham cover this again with
    Billy Nicholls? It was far better there.
    Bobbie Miller's cover of Raindrops' "What a Guy" is pretty 
    strange too. Bill Wyman produced - hey, don't give up your
    day gig, Bill. I appreciate his ambition and resentment
    at the lack of support from the Oldham/Jagger/Richards camp, 
    but this too is pretty dismal, particularly since he had
    a better model to start with in the Raindrops version. 
    Great to have this on the comp, though, as it does 
    contribute to the overall UK Decca GG picture and gives us 
    an indication as to Wyman's abilities as a producer. 
    Some great surprises here too. The Donovan Leitch-penned 
    "You Just Gotta Know My Mind" by Dana Gillespie is an 
    unexpected Kinks-like rocker that sounds nothing like the 
    stuff Donovan recorded himself. I particularly like the 
    Wine/Bayer song "Nobody's Home To Go Home To" by Billie 
    Davis. Ian, you don't mention the original recording of 
    this song. Surely it must be a US artist. Do tell! This is
    the most sophisticated song on the comp. I fell for this 
    immediately. Lulu's "Try To Understand" (Sawyer/Burton) 
    too is brilliant. Is this too a cover? If so, who 
    originally recorded it in US?
    btw, The (Blue) Orchids - Oo Chang A Lang is absolutely 
    great! Will Stos: this one is for you! The CD closes with 
    the Exceptions' Soldier Boy (not a Shirelles cover). This 
    too is classic GG. Priceless. This track is essential GG. 
    The flute is so weird!
    One complaint about the CD (don't hate me, Ian!) is that 
    there are not always producer/arranger credits. Also, I 
    THINK it's Nicky Hopkins on a track, but no musician 
    credits either, so I can't tell for sure. Since knowing 
    who worked on the record helps me to understand how a 
    record ended up sounding like it does, this is a bit of a 
    disappointment. Of course, your liner notes are 
    fascinating and very informative. 
    One quick question: the liner notes seem to have a typo. 
    About Louise Cordet, the liner notes read in part: 
    ... [she] toured with the Beatles and Gerry and the 
    Pacemakers. (Gerry wrote "Don't Let The Sun Catch You 
    Crying for treatment of Mary Wells "Two Lovers" - her 
    That doesn't make sense. Care to tell us what you intended
    to say there? "Don't Let The Sun" is a great fave and I am 
    very curious to know what was omitted from the notes...
    I can't recommend this CD enough. All girl group fans must
    have this. Great job, Ian.
    All the best,
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    Subject:     Carol Kaye's remarks on Brian
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Bates, Robert  (Cahners -NYC),
    To:          'Spectropop List',
    Hi, Carol, thanks for the valuable posts. You mentioned 
    that you "quit working for Brian after meeting Manson." 
    Would you mind elaborating a bit on that? Did the two 
    actually hang out together? And what was it like to 
    actually meet a sick man like Manson? 
    Rob B.
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    Subject:     Q
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Ron Bierma, ELRONXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 3/17/99 12:38:28 PM, writes:
    >yesterday at a Recording Industry Association of America 
    >luncheon that honored him, Elton John, Kenny Rogers, Led 
    >Zeppelin and Kenny G.
    Why is ANYONE honoring Kenny G ? Is there another one more 
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    Subject:     Re: record speeds/Fresh
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Stewart Mason, flamiXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Marc Miller asks:
    >I don't believe this fact has come up in the recent 
    >discussion about 45's/33 etc. If it has, forgive me. I 
    >have read in at least one place that the speed of 45 RPM 
    >was arrived at by subtracting 33 from 78. Anyone know if 
    >that's true?
    I feel kinda silly answering this question in front of our
    own Dave Feldman (I know we shouldn't plug our own stuff 
    here, but we can still plug each other: I cannot recommend
    Dave's Imponderables books more highly. Immensely 
    entertaining stuff), but this comes from THE STRAIGHT DOPE
    (Ballantine, 1984, pp. 258-60) by Dave's friendly rival, 
    the godlike Cecil Adams: "Just as Emile Berliner [inventor
    of the 78 prototype] had adapted his disc to meet the 
    standard of the Edison cylinder, RCA had designed the 45 
    to conform to the 78 -- it offered the same playing time, 
    somewhat improved fidelity and the dubious advantage of 
    being more "convenient" because the discs were smaller. In
    presenting the 45, RCA unloaded some drivel about how 45 
    RPM was the optimum speed for sound reproduction, but it 
    was revealed that in fact RCA had told its engineers to 
    come up with any old speed so long as it wasn't compatible
    with Columbia's [microgroove 33.3 12" LPs] system. The big 
    hole was apparently supposed to make the two types of 
    records even more incompatible."
    Elsewhere, Unca Cecil says that Berliner's discs had their
    speed standardized at 78 RPM by the first electric 
    phonographs in 1925. Before this, people had just cranked 
    the phonograph until it sounded right to them (70-80 RPM),
    but the speed was set at 78.26 because that was the RPM you
    get if you fit a common 46:1 gear to an equally common 3600
    RPM motor. Cecil doesn't say what gears are used to get 
    33.3 RPM or 45 RPM, but since obviously the motor must be 
    the same (otherwise we couldn't have multi-speed 
    turntables), my assumption is that the speeds for 33s and 
    45s were also arrived at because of gear ratios. The 78 - 
    33 = 45 theory, I would imagine, must just be a 
    I realize that the foregoing just barely qualifies as list
    content, so I'll ask a 60s pop question: Is anyone here 
    familiar with a Simon Napier-Bell project from 1970 called
    Fresh? Their LP is called FRESH OUT OF BORSTAL, and the 
    liner notes claim that all the band members are teenage 
    JDs who had spent time in the UK juvenile correctional 
    system. I kinda doubt it. Songs include Rolling Stones 
    covers and a number of Napier-Bell originals that have a 
    rather, ah, Jean Genet subtext, if you know what I mean. 
    Net searches reveal squat. Does anyone know anything at 
    all about this LP? It's recommended if you want the 
    missing link between freakbeat and glam rock.
    ***************************FLAMINGO RECORDS***************************
    Stewart Allensworth Mason        "Why didn't they just turn it off?
    Box 40172                         I didn't call the police when
    Albuquerque NM 87196              Forrest Gump started running!"           
    *********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE**********************
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    Subject:     Re: The Teardrops
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Ron Sauer, RGSaXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 99-03-13 16:20:35 EST, you write:
    >I was just asked about a group called the Teardrops, 
    >possibly from Cincinnati. I'll pass on the message. Any 
    >clues? I believe I have a song called "You Won't Be There," 
    >by them which I really love, but it could be a different
    >"I was wondering if you have heard of a girl group, 
    >possibly from here in Cincinnati called the Teardrops. I 
    >just picked up three 45s by the group today. They are 
    >early 60s, on Saxony Records, which is out of Cincinnati. 
    >The records look rather new, though I could be wrong about
    >that. That tracks are: That's Why I'll Get By b/w Tonight 
    >I'm Gonna Fall In Love Again, I'm Gonna Steal Your 
    >Boyfriend (same on both sides), and I Will Love You Dear 
    >Forever b/w Bubblegummer. All of the tracks are written by
    >a Paul Trefzger and produced by Bud Reneau. Any clues? 
    The Teardrops were indeed a Cincinnati girl group from 
    around 1965/66. They had two local hits that I'm aware of.
    "Tonight I'm Gonna Fall in Love Again" and "Tears Come 
    Tumbling". (The flip was "You Won't Be There") Saxony was 
    a local label, distributed by Fraternity. "Tears Come 
    Tumbling" was picked up by Musicor and was a minor hit in 
    Boston. "Tears Come Tumbling" is a favorite of mine. "I 
    Will Love You My Dear Forever" was just issued a few years
    ago. I found it in a local shop that specialized in 45's 
    and the owner told me that it was a new issue of on old 
    song. I met one of the young ladies some years ago. Her 
    name was Tinker. That's all the info I have.
    Someone mentioned that the Lemon Pipers were from Cleveland.
    That isn't true. They were from the Cincinnati area. Most 
    were going to Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. They were 
    originally called Tony and the Bandits and had a different
    lead singer. They won the first (and I believe only) Battle
    of the Bands on the Shindig TV show. They had a single out 
    on Decca called "It's a Bit of Alright". (originally on 
    Flo-Roe Records.) Tony Brazis, their lead singer, joined 
    another local group - Ivan and the Sabres. Initially the 
    group kept that name, but changed it in the late sixties 
    to the Sixth Day Creation. Ivan Browne, the lead singer of
    Ivan and the Sabres, joined the remaining Bandits to form 
    the Lemon Pipers. When Ivan was with the Sabres, they had 
    a great garage record called "Just Let Her Go" on the 
    Prism label.
    All of this is as I remember it.
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    Subject:     Smile
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Steve Marinucci, abbeXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >> I'd like to express what seems to be a minority opinion,
    >> that the stuff that's emerged from the Beach Boys' "Smile"
    >> sessions isn't all that exciting and pales in comparison
    >> with the stuff Brian was producing in '64-65.
    > I must confess I completely agree with you, Jonah. I've
    > heard hours of the SMILE sessions myself, and I came away
    > from the experience believing that the main reason why the
    > album was never released in that form is because it was
    > extremely uncommercial. Some of the stuff was downright
    > unlistenable, even for long-time Beach Boys fans -- at
    > least when compared to their previous hits.
    I'd agree with you, except the album was never finished 
    and many of the tapes that have come out, including what's
    on the BB's official boxed set, are incomplete. I don't see
    how you can judge an album that was never finished.
    An interesting story about Brian...
    (mirror site
    In-depth Beatle news and information, plus info
    on the Byrds, Beach Boys and '50s-'60s music
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    Subject:     Smile
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Marc wrote:
    >I've  heard hours of the SMILE sessions myself, and I came away 
    >from the experience believing that the main reason why the
    >album was never released in that form is because it was 
    >extremely uncommercial.
    Probably your problem was Smile overdose. I don't have 
    hours but I was able to locate what appears to be a fairly
    complete copy of the album (a boot of course) and if you 
    only listen to the one album without hours of repeats, 
    then it holds up quite well. I find myself humming some of
    the songs and passages even thought I honestly can't tell 
    you what the song is called, because the basic album runs 
    together into a (for want of a better word) symphonic tone
    poem. In the 60s, you're right, it wasn't commercial, but it 
    could have eventually come out and been successful (in my 
    opinion), but it would have had to have been after the 
    public got used to things like Rick Wakeman's music and 
    other items which were over 3 minutes. Listen to the basic
    album, throw out the out takes.
    Paul URbahns
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    Subject:     The Nearest Faraway Single
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        James K Cribb,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Excuse me for jumping back in on a "defensive" note. I've 
    been out of touch with this list for some time and return 
    just today to read Frank Youngwerth's observation:
    >no way is "Good Vibrations" anywhere near the best pop or
    >rock single ever, although Mojo's recent poll says so)
    It makes me wonder what then Frank, what you might think 
    was near the best?
    Let me emphasize that I find it absurd ever to try and 
    define anything as THE BEST of any category. But if you 
    were to ask me to select ten or maybe even five really 
    important, really good, really enjoyable, really well done
    pop or rock singles, I'm sure I would include "Good 
    Vibrations". Is it the best? Is an orange better than an 
    Frank, I would suspect yours is a "true" minority opinion 
    on this list (or this list has really changed in the few 
    months I've been away). While surely there is wide 
    latitude for debate about something like Smile which was 
    never really finished, I can't imagine browsing the 
    Billboard charts for the past 40 years and finding many 
    singles that I would place on the same tier as "Good 
    Vibrations". But then I like oranges better than apples 
    (unless one is a navel and the other a fuji). 
    I know I appreciated the Mojo poll in that it included 
    songwriters, performers, producers and journalists -- 
    giving it (imo) -- a balanced perspective about what makes
    a 45 great. By no means were those results absolute, but as
    I remember the list, I found little to disagree with in the
    top 25. 
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    Subject:     Essential '60s Psyche/pop list
    Received:    03/19/99 12:13 am
    From:        Dave Mirich, DmirXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Here's the '60s psyche/pop list as it stands now.  
    Dave Mirich
    Dave Mirich started us out with these cd titles of '60's psyche/pop:
     Left Banke "There's Gonna Be A Storm: Complete Recordings 1966-1969"
     Yellow Balloon "Yellow Balloon"
     Beach Boys "Smile"
     Van Dyke Parks "Song Cycle"
     Harpers Bizarre "WB Archives" compilation
     Millennium "Begin"
     Sagittarius "Present Tense"
     Ballroom "Preparing For The Millennium"
     Flowerpot Men "Let's Go To San Francisco" Sunny/Repitoire
     Moby Grape (first album)
     The Move Best Of The Move" Music Club
     Jan and Dean "Save For a Rainy Day"
     Zombies "the Collection" (Castle)
    Love "DeCapo" (1st side)
    Chris offered:
    The Tokens "Intercourse" B.T. Puppy
    The Tokens "It's A Happening World" (67?) 
    The Arbor's "I Can't Quit Her/The Letter" on Date/Columbia, '68 
    Javed says:
    Blue Ash 
    Alex Chilton's Big Star.
     The Blossom Toes. 
     Merry-go-round (Emmit Rhodes)
    The Cryan Shames
    The Parade
    The Tradewinds
    The E-Types
    The Mojo Men
     Jim Cassidy gives us:
    Stackridge "Pinafore Days" 
    Tobias recommended:
     The Carpenters 
     The Free Design "Kites Are Fun" 
       JM recommended:
    The Creation (Retroactive label, complete works of The
    Creation on two CDs) also, 
    The Creation (one-CD collection 'Our Music Is Red - With Purple Flashes' 
       Steve McClure recommended: 
    The Idle Race
    The Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band
       From Ron Weeks:
     Small Faces 
     David Bash offered the following titles of 60s psych pop on cd:
     And Along Comes The Association-The Association
     The Association "Renaissance"
     The Association "Insight Out"
     The Association "Birthday"
     Harmony Grass "This Is Us" 
     The Tokens "It's A Happening World"
     The Tages "Studio"
     The Hollies "Evolution"
     The Hollies "Butterfly"
     The Turtles "Happy Together"
     Grapefruit "Around Grapefruit"
     The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today/Feelings" (2 Fer on Repertoire)
     The Kaleidoscope "Tangerine Dream"
     The Clique "The Clique"
     The Pleasure Fair "The Pleasure Fair"
     The 8th Day "The 8th Day"  
     The Montanas
     The Rockin' Berries
     Tony Rivers and the Castaways
     The Arbors
     The Cyrkle 
     The Choir
     The Critters
     The Ivy League
     Pinkerton's Colours/The Flying Machine
     and the names of "tremendous albums that haven't seen the light of CD day
     The Colours "The Colours"
     The Smoke "The Smoke"
     The Fun and Games "Elephant Candy"
     Don and the Goodtimes "So Good"
     The Gordian Knot "Tones"
     Eternity's Children "Eternity's Children"
     Eternity's Children "Timeless"
     Five Man Electrical Band "Five Man Electrical Band"
     The Tuneful Trolley "The Tuneful Trolley"
     Chamaeleon Church "Chamaeleon Church"
     Teddy and The Pandas "Basic Magnetism"
     The Peppermint Rainbow "Will You Be Staying After Sunday"
    Jack Madani added these cd titles:
     Zombies "Odyssey & Oracle"
     VA "The Melody Goes On: Soft Rock Vols.1-3" M&M Japan
     Roger Nichols & The Small Circle Of Friends "The Drifter" 
     Antonio Carlos Jobim "Wave" 1967, A&M CD 0812 
     Beach Boys "Friends" 
     The Cyrkle
     The Critters
     Robert Charles-Dunne added these LP titles:
    Dwight Twilley (1st 2 albums, reissued on Right Stuff)
     Tom Petty (1st album on Shelter) 
    Michael Pagilaro "Lovin' You Ain't Easy"  
     Stories "Brother Louie" (Michael Brown from The Left Banke) 
     The Beckies (also with Michael Brown)
     The Walker Brothers 
     Scott Walker's solo work
     White & Torch
     Amen Corner 
     PP Arnold 
     Badfinger - "Straight Up" album
     The Iveys "Maybe Tomorrow" (preBadfinger)
     The Easybeats 
     Bee Gees 
     Rick Springfield  "Speak To The Sky."
     Buffalo Springfield 
     Marmalade - 
     The Herd - (Peter Frampton) 
     Andy Bown solo albums (from the Herd)
     Chad & Jeremy - "Of Cabbages & Kings" 
     Grapefruit - 
     Golden Earring - (an eponymously titled album on Polydor from about 
     Spooky Tooth - "It's All About A Roundabout" 
     Love - "Forever Changes" 
     The McCoys - "Human Ball" and "Infinite McCoys" 
     Bubble Puppy - "A Gathering Of Promises" 
     Emitt Rhodes - (solo albums) 
     Raspberries - "Go All The Way"  
     The Soft Boys - "Underwater Moonlight" (80s)
     5 Man Electrical Band - "Coming Of Age" 
     Anthony Moore (from Slapp Happy) solo album "Flying Doesn't 
     Help." Quango label in the UK,  reissued by Canadian El Mocambo 
     Judy Get Down," "Caught Being In Love" and "Lucia"  
     Mick Greenwood - "Living Game"
     Paul Slade - "Life Of A Man"
     Graham Gouldman - "Graham Gouldman Thing"
     Tony Hazzard - "Loudwater House"
    The Mandala (Chess subsidiary K&R label) 
    The Ugly Ducklings.
       Andrew Sandoval said:
    The Smoke "It's Smoke Time" (CD via Repetoire in Germany) 
    The Powder (Distortion Records) 
    Billy G. Spradlin's cd recommendations:
    The Move "Movements" (3-CD Set) and Great Move! (on EMI)
    The Critters "Anthology" (on Targon Records)
    The Hollies "For Certain Because" (Released in the USA as Stop! Stop! 
    The 4 Seasons "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette" 
    The Bee Gees (Bee Gees 1st Lp) 
    The Bee Gees "Horizontal", 
    The Bee Gees "Idea" 
    The Bee Gees "Odessa"
    Kinks "Face To Face", 
    Kinks"Something Else", 
    Kinks"The Village Green Preservation Society", 
    >From TR Gerard:
    Pretty Things "SF Sorrow" 
    Pretty Things "Parachute".  
    The Beau Brummels - "Triangle"
    The Mojo Men - "Sit Down.... It's The Mojo Men" (compilation)
    The Knickerbockers - "The Fabulous Knickerbockers" (compilation) 
    The Who - "Sell Out"  (pop/psych parody at it's finest)
    andrew (foster) recommends:
    country joe & the fish "electric music for the mind & body"
    grateful dead "anthem of the sun"
    13th floor elevators "psychedelic sounds of..."
    skip spence "oar" (incredible)
    quicksilver messenger service "happy trails"
    captain beefheart "trout mask replica"
    syd barrett "barrett"
    pink floyd "piper at the gates of dawn"
    doors "doors"
    cream, all
    jefferson airplane, all up to "volunteers"
    Steve Stanley says:
    The Canterbury Music Festival 
    lain provides:
    4 Seasons "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette"
    Grapefruit "Around Grapefruit"
     Rob McCabe sez:
     Monkees "HEAD SOUNDTRACK"
    Big L recommends:
    Lemon Pipers "Rice is Nice"
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