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Spectropop V#0235

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 03/03/99

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       Volume #0235                           March 3, 1999   
             musicality and a gift for surreal parody         
    Subject:     The Creation
    Received:    03/03/99 12:57 am
    From:        JM,
    To Jim, who asked about this band:
    The Creation were indeed a mid- and late-60s UK band, and a 
    very good one at that. They were associated with the mod and
    freakbeat movements; as my friend Michael says, they are 
    "English freakbeat's most famous nonfamous band." The 
    Creation's producer Shel Talmy -- of Who and Kinks fame -- 
    once famously proclaimed them to be the most talented group 
    he ever worked with (an obvious dig at Messrs. Townshend and
    The new Retroactive label ( has released the
    complete works of The Creation on two CDs, which are nicely 
    mastered, packaged, and annotated and include many 
    previously unreleased tracks. Well worth getting, although 
    the one-CD collection 'Our Music Is Red - With Purple 
    Flashes' on Diablo is more flattering to the band.
    The original Creation, with guitarist Eddie Phillips and 
    singer Kenny Pickett, didn't last very long. The 45s that 
    this version of the band released-- including the track 
    'Making Time' which appears in the beautiful new film 
    'Rushmore'-- are by far the greatest things in the Creation 
    catalogue. 'Making Time' itself is an unquestionably classic
    single; 'Try and Stop Me' is almost as good. The later stuff,
    in my opinion, is more than decent but relatively uninspired 
    mod (a poor man's Small Faces?). The Creation were a 
    notoriously raucous live band, though, and some tracks on 
    the aforementioned Retroactive CDs affirm this.
    The Creation have had periodic rediscoveries and even had a 
    brief reunion in the late 90's (on the label that bears 
    their name); the recent death of Kenny Pickett closed the 
    door on that forever. The Television Personalities, a 
    terrific postpunk band also from London, were fans and their
    spinoff, the Teenage Filmstars, covered three early Creation 
    songs in homage.
    Hope that info does the trick.
    Also, if any of you folks live in Connecticut, please check 
    out my radio show, Thursdays from 4 to 6pm on WESU 
    Middletown 88.1 FM. I play much stuff of probable interest 
    to Spectropop readers: info and playlists are at
    PS Thank you to Spectropop's moderator; I've never belonged 
    to a mailing list so free of flames, spam, and pointless 
    tangents. It's really great!
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    Subject:     Re: The Creation
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        David Bash, BashXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > Subject:     Creation
    > Hi Spectropoppers,
    > Does anyone have info on the above group? They have a song on 
    > the soundtrack to the movie "Rushmore". A friend said he thought
    > they were a UK band from the '60's. Anyone familiar with 'em?
    > Regards to all,
    > Jim
    Hi Jim,
    The Creation were one of the purveyors of the mod/power pop 
    movement of the UK 60s, along with The Who and The Move, and
    there are many fans of the genre that would rank them right 
    up there with the best.
    There were 2 CDs of Creation material recently released in 
    the US, on Retroactive Records. I wrote a review of these 
    discs for The Pure Pop website, and you can check it out at
    Spectropop Rules!!!!!
    Take Care,
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    Subject:     James Fisher reply & Robert Charles-Dunne Hello
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Warren Cosford, raXXXXXXXXNet
    To:          Spectropop,
    Hi Folks:
    James Fisher asked about a band called Creation. I think 
    they may have been produced by the legendary Shel Talmy.....
    WHO, Kinks, Chad & Jeremy, David Jones (Bowie), Easybeats 
    etc.....the L.A. producer who talked his way into an indie 
    producer job at Decca England in the early 60's when few 
    people knew what an indie producer was.
    Perhaps Robert Charles-Dunne who made a fabulous 
    contribution to this list last time out, would care to 
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    Subject:     Idle Race/Bonzos
    Received:    03/03/99 12:57 am
    From:        Steve McClure,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Dave Mirich wrote:
    >"Aside from Pet Sounds, Smile, Van Dyke Parks wonderful '60s
    >music, Harpers Bizarre, Millennium/Sagittarius/Ballroom, or the
    >Kinks, can anyone recommend other musical treasures of this type
    >from this same era?"
    I would recommend that you check out anything you can find 
    (there's a greatest-hits LP) by the Idle Race, the mid-'60s 
    pop group Jeff Lynne belonged to before he joined the Move 
    and then Electric Light Orchestra. Some of their stuff was 
    much too "twee" (i.e., overly cute) for my taste, but they 
    had some great tracks, full of whimsy and great pop hooks, 
    supporting Ian MacDonald's observation in his superb 
    "Revolution in the Head" that "... the true subject of 
    English psychedelia was neither love nor drugs, but 
    nostalgia for the innocent vision of the child." At the risk
    of being pegged a terminal Anglophile, I would also recommend 
    with no hesitation whatsover anything by the Bonzo Dog (Doo 
    Dah) Band, who combined musicality and a gift for surreal 
    parody in a way that no one else has ever matched.
    Steve McClure
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    Subject:     Stan Ross phasing
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Here's the reply I got from Russ Wapensky, who has 
    interviewed and hung out with Stan Ross many a year now.....
    .I don't know Leo Kulka, but I do know (and stand in back of
    ) Stan Ross and what Russ Wapensky says (a government man 
    It was definitely Stan.  Larry did the basic track & then Stan did 
    the phasing - all at Gold Star.  I've heard both of them tell this 
    story dozens of times.
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     The Big Hurt album info
    Received:    03/03/99 12:57 am
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >As I mentioned on a previous post, I have that rare Toni Fisher 
    >album on Signet. The credits says Recorded at Gold Star and 
    >Mastered at Sound Enterprises, Inc.
    Great post, Paul. Thanks! I think it is pretty clear now 
    that the track was recorded at Gold Star. The fact that it 
    was mastered at Sound Enterprises gives reason for Leo 
    Kulke to say he did the record. In fact, he may have even 
    developed the flanging technique before it was used on The 
    Big Hurt, but since Toni Fisher had the monster hit with 
    the effect, the credit for innovating the technique went to 
    that record and to Gold Star.
    >Also Shanklin was not against multi-tracks because the 
    >whole album is in true stereo except The Big Hurt and in 
    >those days it would have been very easy to make a mono 
    >only album. 
    I guess what Shanklin was afraid of was overdubbing and 
    mixing (therefore my ill-worded statement that he had an 
    aversion to multi-track). We've already determined that The 
    Big Hurt was cut binaural (i.e., two-track), and we've 
    learned that he wanted to go with the "vocal-down" mix Ross 
    gave him, although he wanted to do something to enhance the 
    vocal. The fact that the rest of the album is in stereo 
    doesn't negate the possibility that Shanklin cut the 
    orchestra and vocal live all at one time, with the recording 
    going directly to stereo. Stan Ross explained to Doc that 
    Shanklin wanted everything cut simultaneously, so I expect 
    that is what they did.
    >"...the finished recording was taken by Shanklin to his 
    >studio, where he locked himself in with the record, and 
    >spent the next 30 days dreaming up the gimmick (with the 
    >incredible help of the engineers at Gold Star Recording 
    >Studios) the end result being the Toni Fisher hit record 
    >of 'The Big Hurt'."
    Liner notes of the day were often publicity blurbs more 
    than annotated facts. Since we have been told by Stan Ross 
    and Leo Kulke that Shanklin had little to do with it, I 
    guess Shanklin simply sat on the mix for a month wondering 
    what to do with it while Larry and Stan tried a few 
    different things.
    >Probably the answer is this effect was not the sole work 
    >of any one person but a combination of efforts of several.
    I think you are probably right.
    >Since this is a mixing problem, I don't think the session 
    >sheets would help at all. That is because all involved 
    >indicate the session was past when the remixing that 
    >caused the phasing  effect was created. As I posted the 
    >liners say it took place over a 30 day period.
    Good point. I had asked about the session sheets for the 
    tracking date presuming that producers of the day 
    typically started and finished a record in a single studio. 
    Remember how everyone made such a big thing about Good 
    Vibrations being cut in several studios, as if that was a 
    very unusual thing at the time ('66). So, I thought if the 
    tracking date was done at Gold Star, chances are the master 
    came out of that studio too. Of course, the liner notes you 
    quoted indicate that was indeed the case. All reports on 
    this so far indicate that Leo Kuske definitely worked on the
    record as mastering engineer.
    Thanks again, Paul, for the informative post. Those liner 
    notes are incredible! I feel I have learned a lot more 
    about this landmark record from Doc, Alec and you.
    All the best,
    Jamie LePage
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    Subject:     Del's Big Hurt
    Received:    03/03/99 12:57 am
    From:        Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    When EMI did their Liberty Years compilation on Del Shannon 
    a few years back, they included his decent 1966 cover of the
    Miss Toni Fisher classic. Apparently Del's version even 
    emulated the original's phasing effect, but for the CD 
    reissue it got removed. I guess the compilers didn't 
    consider it to be an essential element of the song--although, 
    judging from the discussion here, it practically is.
    Just wish to add that the song's chord changes are out of 
    this world as well.
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    Subject:     Kathy Young
    Received:    03/03/99 12:57 am
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Am I correct in thinking Kathy married John Walker of the 
    Walker Bros.?
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    Subject:     Re: The Beckies
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        David Bash, BashXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > From:        Robert Charles-Dunne,
    > Michael Brown from The Left Banke had a much harder sound in 
    > Stories ["Brother Louie"], which most people know about. However, 
    > his real defining post-Left Banke moment came - in my humble 
    > opinion - with The Beckies, a truly obscure Sire release from 
    > the early '70s. Pure pop so sugary sweet it'll give you diabetes
    > and rot your teeth. Lots of energy and drive, however.
    Hi Robert,
    I definitely agree! In fact, The Beckies album is one of my 
    five favorite albums of all time! It's criminal that it 
    hasn't been reissued on CD, but apparently this is due to 
    Warner Bros. not wanting to release the master unless they 
    received a substantinal payment from a label that might want
    to reissue the album. Of course, WB doesn't want to reissue 
    it themselves, more than likely because they assume there 
    wouldn't be enough sales to warrant the time or effort, 
    making "The Beckies" album caught in an unusual catch-22.
    Is there anyone on this list who is affiliated with Warner 
    Brothers who might be able to shed some light upon this? 
    David Ponak, perhaps? 
    Spectropop Rules!!!!!
    Take Care,
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    Subject:     Re: various soft pop threads from digest #0223
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Rainier Wolfcastle,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jack Madani wrote:
    >Thanks to a Spectropop friend, I have a precious tape of some
    >real obscure (to me, anyway) softpop gems,
    Would you mind sharing the tracklisting for your tape with 
    the list? You can send it to me personally if it clutters up
    the list too much. No hurry...but I sure like to find what 
    else is out there in the world of soft pop/rock!
    Dave Mirich (wasn't it you who made me that Gary Zekley 
    tape??) wrote: 
    >I bought the Left Banke compilation CD with liner notes by
    >Andrew Sandoval...
    Is it "There's Gonna Be A Storm..."? Y'know, I have read 
    soooo many rave reviews of The Left Banke but I still can't 
    see what's so special about them. IMO, they are the most 
    overrated of all the soft rock bands... 
    >Other outstanding albums available on CD from this time frame
    >are the Flowerpot Men
    What do they sound like?
    > and Moby Grape. Aside from Pet Sounds,
    >Smile, Van Dyke Parks wonderful '60s music, Harpers Bizarre,
    >Millenium/Saggitarius/Ballroom, or the Kinks, can anyone
    >recommend other musical treasures of this type from this same
    Hmmm, judging by the names you list, there is of course the 
    fairly obvious recommendation that is The Carpenters. Also 
    in a similar style is The Free Design. They just had a 
    fantastic compilation (or is it a reissue?) released called 
    Kites Are Fun which I KNOW you'll like! I would too like to 
    hear more about similar "lost gems" from the sixties... 
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    Subject:     Where is Phil?
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > My father has an autographed photo of Phil Spector. Since he
    > won't sell it to me, I would like to write to Phil and request
    > one myself. Does anyone have an address for Phil?
    > Jeremy Povenmire
    I was waiting to see if anyone else could respond to this...
    Jeremy, to the best of my knowledge (and this is from the 
    mouth of a Spector relative), Phil is living in Pasadena, 
    has a P.O. Box address, and has a secretary who picks up his
    mail and weeds out unimportant mail - Which, for Phil, is 
    probably about 99% of what he gets. Any fan mail has a 
    slim-to-none chance of getting past the secretary.
    I could have asked the relative for his address, but out of 
    respect for his (Phil's) privacy and not wishing to make it 
    look like I was just "using" this person to gleen private 
    info about Phil (the relative is a very nice person), I 
    didn't. I think you might have a better chance of getting an
    autograph by bidding in an auction that features such an item
    ...Phil is not into fan mail, I guess. Sorry - maybe someone
    else can provide some hope to your wishes. 
    Mark (Philles Phanatic)
    Phil Spector Record Label Gallery 
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    Subject:     Gary Usher Productions
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Ron Weekes,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I posted the following request on other similar lists a few 
    months ago. But at the time I wasn't a part of this list. If
    you can help me find any of the following Gary Usher related 
    productions, a fellow collector friend of mine will be very 
    grateful. He's been looking for this material for over 17 
    years. What we need is a clean audio cassette dub of each 45
    plus a photocopy of each label side.
    E-mail me privately if you can help out.
    Ron Weekes
    Looking for:
    Joanne Sommers - "It Doesn't Matter Anymore/Take A Broken Heart" - 
    Columbia 4 43950 - 12/66
    Lightmyth - "Across The Universe/Quest of the Golden Horde" - RCA 74-0361 - 06 /70
    The Guild - "What Am I Gonna Do/Heavy Church" - Elektra EK 45823 - 11/72
    Ray Peterson - "Changes/Fever" - UNI 55275 - 03 /73
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    Subject:     Amen Corner
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Ron Weekes,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Robert wrote:
    Amen Corner - A seven piece Welsh band fronted by Andy 
    Fairweather-Lowe. Some great studio stuff, but the live releases
    were astonishing too. Lots of power and energy, but never lost 
    the pop element.
    Wow, I had forgotten about these guys. Being a big Small 
    Faces (pre Rod Stewart and Faces) fan due to a British pen 
    pal back in the 60s, I found a live two-LP set years ago 
    that had one live disc of Amen Corner. I still think the 
    Small Faces were one of the best pop groups to come over as 
    part of the British Invasion. Ogden's Nut Gone is a must. 
    Ron Weekes
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    Subject:     Peppermint Rainbow
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Albums that will probably never see the light of day on CD:
    >Will You Be Staying After Sunday-The Peppermint Rainbow
    This is a great album in super stereo on most cuts, and I 
    have the two follow up singles (also issued in stereo). Love
    that drum sound on these
    Paul Urbahns
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    Subject:     60s psych pop list (fill in missing info)
    Received:    03/02/99 7:35 am
    From:        Dave Mirich, DmirXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hey folks, please add any titles to this list of 60s psych 
    pop, or fill in missing data on titles, lables (where needed), 
    whether cd or lp. I have had more fun learning about 
    music and listening to the things you folks recommend than I
    can say. This list, when complete, will give me a lifetime of
    enjoyment. Thanks to everyone.
    Dave Mirich
    Dave Mirich listed the following cds of 60s psych pop:
    Left Banke "There's Gonna Be A Storm: Complete Recordings 1966-1969"
    Yellow Balloon "Yellow Balloon"
    Beach Boys "Smile"
    Van Dyke Parks "Song Cycle"
    Harpers Bizarre "WB Archives" compilation
    Millennium "Begin"
    Sagittarius "Present Tense"
    Ballroom "Preparing For The Millennium"
    Kinks (help me here, which ones exactly?)
    Flowerpot Men "Let's Go To San Francisco" Sunny/Repitoire
    Moby Grape (first album)
    The Move Best Of The Move" Music Club
    Jan and Dean "Save For a Rainy Day"
    Zombies "the Collection" Castle
    David (Spectropop Rules!!!!!) offered the following 
    titles of 60s psych pop on cd:
    And Along Comes The Association-The Association
    The Association "Renaissance"
    The Association "Insight Out"
    The Association "Birthday"
    Harmony Grass "This Is Us" 
    The Tokens "It's A Happening World"
    The Tages "Studio"
    The Hollies "Evolution"
    The Hollies "Butterfly"
    The Turtles "Happy Together"
    Grapefruit "Around Grapefruit"
    The Grassroots "Let's Live For Today/Feelings" (2 Fer on Repertoire)
    The Kaleidoscope "Tangerine Dream"
    The Clique "The Clique"
    The Pleasure Fair "The Pleasure Fair"
    The 8th Day "The 8th Day" 
    and then there are great compilations by bands like:
    The Montanas
    The Rockin' Berries
    Tony Rivers and the Castaways
    The Arbors
    The Cyrkle 
    The Choir
    The Critters
    The Ivy League
    Pinkerton's Colours/The Flying Machine
    Jack Madani added these cd titles:
    Zombies "Odyssey & Oracle"
    VA "The Melody Goes On: Soft Rock Vols.1-3" M&M Japan
    Roger Nichols & The Small Circle Of Friends "The Drifter" 
    Antonio Carlos Jobim "Wave" 1967, A&M CD 0812 
    Beach Boys "Friends" 
    The Cyrkle
    The Critters
    Jack then said:
    "Actually, looking back over all the names here, I begin to 
    wonder if Pet Sounds belongs. Not to say it isn't great (duh!), 
    but rather does it fit in with the hard-to-express otherliness 
    of the rest of the titles?"
    (You are probably right - PS doesn't quite fit on this list.)
    David (Spectropop Rules!!!!!) gave these names of "tremendous 
    albums that haven't seen the light of CD day are..."
    The Colours "The Colours"
    The Smoke-The Smoke
    Elephant Candy-The Fun and Games
    So Good-Don and the Goodtimes
    Tones-The Gordian Knot
    Eternity's Children-Eternity's Children
    Timeless-Eternity's Children
    Five Man Electrical Band-Five Man Electrical Band
    The Tuneful Trolley-The Tuneful Trolley
    Chamaeleon Church-Chamaeleon Church
    Basic Magnetism-Teddy and The Pandas
    Will You Be Staying After Sunday-The Peppermint Rainbow
    Robert Charles-Dunne in a splendid pot added these LP 
    (and song?) titles:
    Stories "Brother Louie" (Michael Brown from The Left Banke) 
    The Beckies (also with Michael Brown)
    The Walker Brothers 
    Scott Walker's solo work
    White & Torch
    Amen Corner 
    PP Arnold 
    Badfinger - "Straight Up" album
    The Iveys "Maybe Tomorrow" (preBadfinger)
    The Easybeats 
    Bee Gees 
    Rick Springfield  "Speak To The Sky."
    Buffalo Springfield 
    Marmalade - 
    The Herd - (Peter Frampton) 
    Andy Bown solo albums (from the Herd)
    Chad & Jeremy - "Of Cabbages & Kings" 
    Grapefruit - 
    Golden Earring - (an eponymously titled album on Polydor from about 
    Spooky Tooth - "It's All About A Roundabout" 
    Love - "Forever Changes" 
    The McCoys - "Human Ball" and "Infinite McCoys" 
    Bubble Puppy - "A Gathering Of Promises" 
    Emitt Rhodes - (solo albums) 
    Raspberries - "Go All The Way"  
    The Soft Boys - "Underwater Moonlight" (80s)
    5 Man Electrical Band - "Coming Of Age" 
    Anthony Moore (from Slapp Happy) solo album "Flying Doesn't 
    Help." Quango label in the UK,  reissued by Canadian El Mocambo 
    Judy Get Down," "Caught Being In Love" and "Lucia"  
    Mick Greenwood - "Living Game"
    Paul Slade - "Life Of A Man"
    Graham Gouldman - "Graham Gouldman Thing"
    Tony Hazzard - "Loudwater House"
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