__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0227 February 16, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Living StereoSubject: Eternity's Children/Starbuck Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXXXXXXXt.ca To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com The recent discussion about Eternity's Children prompted me to listen to their self titled second album and I remembered that Bruce Blackman who was a member went on to score a top ten hit in the 70's with the group Starbuck. I'm sure many of you remember their smash "Moonlight Feels Right" which was a pleasant piece of 70's soft rock. Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: For: Diane Renay and Will Stos Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Ms. Renay: Oh oh! You're right; I got my Jeans mixed up... Jean King was truly a member of the Blossoms, not Jean Thomas... I had a brain shimmy there for a second. I guess you would have remembered if the Blossoms had accompanied you, eh? From all accounts, Darlene Love in the studio was an unforgettable presence: when she wasn't singing, she was yelling, complaining, or laughing-- by her own account, mind you!! Will Stos: You got it! "You're So Fine" by Dorothy Berry is certainly in my Top 10 Fave GG Song List; to me, it embodies the whole sound. That song really churns, ya know? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Marvelettes... Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com >From William Stos: >Also, question for Carol Kaye. I was listening to some late 60s >Marvelettes the other night. Did you play on any of their later >stuff. Motown insists it was all recorded in Detroit, but >you've told up otherwise. The bass on some of those songs is wild! Funny thing, I finally got a re-use royalty check from Motown Records. I have 113 dates in my log for Motown in the 60s, other studio musicians here in LA do too. I had a discussion on the phone about 1990 with Producer Lester Sill, who was pres. of Jobete, about the percentages of what was recorded out here in LA in the 60s (original Motown hits) and what was cut in Detroit -- I tho't it was about 30-40% tops cut in LA, but Lester insisted it was more like over 60% cut out here. I still don't know. There are many interviews in magazines from 80s on with engineer Armin Steiner, Joe Sample, Earl Palmer, even Steve Douglas, others about Motown dates we all did out here in LA. Earl's book, "Backbeat" will be out March 1st, he talks about Motown in there (Smithsonian Press) -- lots of evidence of Motown being out here as they leased 2 floors of office suites in the prestigious Sunset/Vine Towers building from 1963 on -- we all saw all the groups rehearsing there, people writing arrangements there...I used to go up with my tunes from time to time. The books that speak of Motown being "only" in Detroit are from mostly hearsay, or what they want the public to believe. Berry Gordy is quoted on a 1964 filmed interview speaking with great pride of all the "fine tracks coming in from LA", and also in his book. It's quite well-known amongst all the studio musicians out here, even our past Union president who played trumpet on many of those dates, and finding the Lewis Sister's mikes not even plugged in (on the Supremes' tracking dates we did out here), my kids met Stevie Wonder, 04 Tops, etc. as most of us did too. I do have the Marvelettes marked down in my log on some dates, so yes, I did do some Marvelettes' dates. But James Jamerson was the innovator of the Motown bass styles, played on so many dates, I'd have to listen to those recordings some more to tell you if it was myself or not. I did do bass on the hits of Bernadette, Love Child, I Was Made To Love Her, I Can't Help Myself (and in fact, just ran into engineer Ami Hadani, who owned TTG back then and he verified the fact that that recording was entirely west coast from start to finish like Armin Steiner said -- and said "yes, we laid down the final vocal of James Levi's on "I Can't Help Myself" at TTG at 2AM one night, finished the west-coast-cut tracking and vocals out here back then for the 4 Tops". There are some later-made up union recording contracts (back in Detroit) which were NOT there years before all the recordings became being re-used. And in fact, one Detroit songwriter, with blank contracts was trying to force his way into our Musicians Pension fund, belligerantly trying to force the Federation to give him part of our Pension fund as he had blank contracts and was trying to find out how to fill them out.....not a legal thing. So there is evidence of hanky panky and of course we're NOT getting our rightful reuses at all....it was our fault for letting them get away with paying us cash for quite a while, but we liked to record the music...but we did get 1,000s of dollars back pay when one member of our musician group snitched to the Union about our under-the-table Motown dates (he's passed away a long time ago) around 1967 and that's when Motown finally announced "we're moving to LA", they've been out here all that time. So, yes, the answer is that I did play on some of theirs, just don't know what at this point. You can access my website and sample the soundbytes and you'll hear parts of Bernadette, and I Was Made To Love Her as well as about 20 other bass things on my site. There will be more on this as people own up to the truth of the matter eventually. Best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ PS. Yes that was Jean King with Fanita and Darlene Love. Fanita and Darlene and I were pregnant all at the same time together in 1963 and we used to drive Larry Levine at Gold Star Recorders mad when we kept working and got really big and would walk in at the same time. He confided in me later, he was afraid he'd be a " mid-wife" on one of the pianos with one of us. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Gordian Knot Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Steve Stanley, sstanXXXXXXXXi.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Matthew Kaplan wrote: >so my question is...who were the Gordian Knot? Steve Stanley wrotes: Finally the Gordian Knot gertting their Spectropop Spotlight!!! One thing for harmony nuts to take note: the Gordian Knot's sole LP on Verve was produced by no less than Clark Burroughs of the Hi-Los!! One of the finest contributors to the golden age of softness, I must say! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: To: Ian Chapman~From: Diane Renay Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm From: Diane renay, CEIInvXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Hi Ian: Very interesting information regarding my two single releases "Can't Help Lovin' That Man," and "It's A Good Day For A Parade"! Where did you get all this information from, I never heard of this and never even knew that my records where played outside the US!!!! Thanks! Sorry, but I don't remember the name of the third girl who sang backup for me and later became one of the Ragdolls. Sincerely: Diane Renay <[:>) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Together Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Ron Bierma, ELRONXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com In a message dated 2/13/99 10:02:46 PM, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com writes: >In fact, the whole Together Records catalogue needs >investigating.... just found the 2 LP set by Danny Cox on Together #1011, produced by Mr Usher. Haven't listened yet, anyone know anything about it? Opinions? Reviews? RB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Vinyl Fixations Go To The World of Auctions Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Matthew Kaplan, TweeXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com There was an article about this in yesterdays New York Times, so I decided to check out the web site with regards to the following auction at the William Doyle Galleries in NYC. The following is from the Doyle Web site: ROCKIN' RHYTHM N' BLUES: THE FINE VINYL AUCTION An extraordinary single-owner collection of records. Including almost 60,000 singles, EPs, LPs and CDs by The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, a selection of recordings by Elvis Presley on the Sun label, rare rhythm and blues and rockabilly among numerous other recording artists from the early 1950s through the mid 1990s. The sale also features juke boxes, disc jockey equipment, lights, disco balls, Solid Gold scrapbooks, posters, photographs and ephemera Auction: Tuesday, February 16 at 10am Exhibition opens February 13 For further information or to consign property to Collectibles auctions, please call Tara Ana Finley at 212-427-2730, ext. 211 Here's the web address for the catalogue...it starts getting interesting around lot 200 http://www.doylegalleries.com/catalogues/990216.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Big Hurt Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Shelby Riggs, vinylmaXXXXXXXXlink.net To: spectropop, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com I have just been informed of the passing away of Miss Toni Fisher. She recorded "The Big Hurt" in 1958. Toni died from a massive heart attack in Hyrum, Utah. Ahe was 70 years of age. Shelby Riggs --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Buddy Knox Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am From: Shelby Riggs, vinylmaXXXXXXXXlink.net To: spectropop, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com To all Oldies Fans, With deepest sorrow and regret, I am relaying information from Buddy Knox's Manager, Johnny Vallis, that Buddy Knox passed away this morning at his home in Port Orchard, Washington. He was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer on 2-5-99. The doctors told him he had less than 90 days to live. Buddy was engaged recently to Dr. Becky Carpenter. They were to be married later this year. Buddy had 17 hits from 1957 to 1961. His biggest hits were "Party Doll"(1957), "Rock Your Little Baby To Sleep"(1957), "Hula Love"(1957), "Lovey Dovey"(1960). Buddy was born on April 24, 1933, he would have been 65 on that date. Shelby Riggs Las Vegas, Nevada --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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