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Spectropop V#0224

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 02/09/99

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       Volume #0224                       February 10, 1999   
          Exclusive Original Television Soundtrack Album      
    Subject:     The Cyrkle - what about them?
    Received:    02/09/99 1:21 am
    From:        Andrew Sandoval, APSXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 99-02-07 09:58:19 EST, you write:
    >Love [the Cyrkle] records. I wish the CDs had the single 
    >mixes in mono like the new Association CDs do. 
    >The Cyrkle - 01 . Ad agency. 2. Brian Epstein. That's all I know. 
    The Cyrkle were led by Tom Dawes & Don Dannemann (on vocals, 
    guitars and sometimes bass). Also included were drummer Marty 
    Fried and off and on keyboard players Earl Pickens and Mike 
    Losekamp (in the studio many of the keyboards were played by 
    their producer, the great producer/songwriter John Simon). They 
    formed at college on the East Coast in the early '60s and scored
    some summer gigs where they were spotted by Brian Epstein 
    business associate Nat Weiss. Through his connections they 
    signed to Columbia Records in '66 and scored two monster hits 
    with Red Rubber Ball and Turn Down Day. As a result, they scored
    a spot on the Beatles final U.S. tour in '66. Now things got a 
    lot more interesting musically as their singles got better and 
    better and the sales got lower and lower. Terrific records like 
    We Had A Good Thing Goin' and Reading Her Paper rank above and 
    beyond the great "soft pop" of the era and are very classy 
    productions a la the Left Banke (great arrangements and 
    orchestrations). Producer Charlie Calello was in charge of their
    later singles which included some great early Bee Gees covers 
    (Turn Of The Century/Red Chair Fade Away) and the terrific Byrds 
    pastiche: The Words. 
    As for albums, both their debut LP and Neon (their second) have 
    loads of great tunes but are quite flawed by some hopeless 
    filler (this is what sets the major artists apart from all the 
    other groups we love, no?). The band's final project together 
    was a soundtrack and performance in a film some friends of Nat 
    Weiss were making in 1968: The Minx. What emerged two years 
    later in 1970 was a soft porn caper flick and a hopelessly rare 
    soundtrack album. In the film the group, dressed in Sgt. Pepper/
    military garb perform the fab Murray the K put down song, Murry 
    The Why! On the record they lay down some of their toughest 
    material like the song Squeeze Play based on the movie's plot. 
    The album, unfortunately, has become coveted for its 
    pornographic connotations (of which there are really none) 
    instead of its phonographic delights, hence its rarity.
    Shortly after Dawes and Dannemann retired the Cyrkle and moved 
    into the world of jingles. To this day each owns and operates 
    his own jingle firm in New York. As an aside, if anyone on the
    list has copies of their singles Squeeze Play or Where Are You 
    Going, please let me know.
    Andrew Sandoval
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    Subject:     Re: Curt Boetcher (was: Eternity's Children)
    Received:    02/08/99 8:44 am
    From:        Horatius Hufnagel,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jamie LePage wrote:
    >The listmember currently known as Agnes Skinner wrote:
    Not anymore! :)
    Thank you so much for yr information on Eternity's Children, 
    definitely sounds like a group I'd like! However, you didn't (I 
    think) mention the availablity of their records today. You said 
    Timeless was only released in Canada, but has the first one 
    (with Boetcher) been reissued on CD?
    >I was hoping someone else would post on this because I too know
    >very little about them.
    I was thinking about this....were do *you* guys find info about,
    for example, Curt Boetcher's various projects? I mean, there are 
    hundreds of books on The Beatles or The Rolling Stones but I 
    can't think of a single book dedicated to *one* of our soft rock
    heroes. Well, there's that Japanese A-Z book but what else? I, 
    for one, would be interested in reading extensively about The 
    Millenium or The Association or Harpers Bizarre...CD liner notes
    are usually informative but often only touch the surface. I'd 
    like to read more in depth stuff...any suggestions? Websites, 
    books, magazines....actually, the Spectropop website is one of 
    the very few places I can find info on these artists!
    In case anyone missed it (I did, of course :)), there was a 
    quite long article (and interview?) about Curt Boetcher in one 
    of the autumn issues of Record Collector. I think it was the 
    same issue as the one about the Sea Of Tunes Beach Boys bootlegs.
    >Together Records project (the label that released the second 
    >Sagittarius' LP "Blue Marble").
    Has this been reissued? I've seen one Sundazed reissue which I 
    think is their *first* album (with bonustracks)...
    Actually, what role did Gary Usher have in The Sagittarius if 
    Boetcher wrote most of the songs, did the arrangements, etc? He 
    might have been the producer since some of the sounds on the 
    Sagittarius record are very similar to his production work with 
    the Byrds. Am I right?
    >In the liner notes to the recent Ballroom CD (you must have 
    >this Toby!),
    I intend to buy the Ballroom CD but it's unfortunately a pretty 
    expensive import over here. From what I've heard in the record 
    store, it sounds AMAZING! I'd like to plug a great recordstore 
    over here called Doolittle; they have a website at:
    They have a pretty large selection on Spectropop music, such as 
    girlpop, Spector, Bacharach, soft rock, lounge and lots of other
    sixties pop genres and artists! I do almost all of my 
    recordshopping there. As a matter of fact, they usually keep 
    those hard to get Beach Boys 2-fers in stock (Smiley Smile/Wild 
    Honey, atleast) so if anyone wants me to pick up a copy, let me 
    Sorry about all the questions, but keep in mind I'm just a young
    puppy :)
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    Subject:     Re: Okie Surfer
    Received:    02/08/99 8:43 am
    From:        Stewart Mason, flamiXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Steve Stanley writes:
    >Our new Del-Fi Beach Party features Gates' "Okie Surfer." 
    >Certainly no "Lost in Wonderland,"  but interesting nevertheless.
    I cannot recommend DEL-FI BEACH PARTY highly enough, for this 
    song alone. Even as someone who has never been a particular fan 
    of Gates' work (though I'm eternally in his debt for writing the
    Monkees' transcendental "Saturday's Child"), I think "Okie Surfer" 
    is one of the best, and certainly one of the most bizarre, 
    surf singles ever recorded. A mere synopsis cannot do it justice
    -- it's one of those things you just have to hear for yourself.
    Preston Epps' "Bongo Beach" and Bruce Johnston's "Mazatlan," 
    both previously unreleased, also make this a more than 
    worthwhile reelase.
    ***************************FLAMINGO RECORDS***************************
    Stewart Allensworth Mason
    Box 40172                        "Hellcats in tight pants
    Albuquerque NM 87196              running in packs."
    *********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE**********************
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    Subject:     Re: Diane Renay
    Received:    02/08/99 8:43 am
    From:        Scott, smfXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hello everyone. I just joined this list a few days back and am a
    big fan of 60s music (the era in which I grew up). I've tried to 
    replace all my old 45s & LPs with CDs. Its an expensive hobby, 
    but I love the music. Noticed you have some correspondence from 
    Diane Renay. Could this really be the same artist who did "Navy 
    Blue"? I used to have that 45, from back when I was a kid. Loved
    that tune & still do. Its one of those great songs you hear 
    rarely on the radio, what I call a "lost 45". A classic -  
    really  takes me back. Is that one available on CD? Please 
    advise. I don't own a phonograph anymore & gave all my records 
    away to Goodwill some years ago. I'm a true believer in the 
    superior sound quality of CDs, but have found too many great 
    songs have been forgotten and aren't readily available on CD. 
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    Subject:     speeded up
    Received:    02/08/99 8:43 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    . Are some 
    >recording slowed down/speeded up to make vocals sound different,
    >or did another person record Gonna Make Him My Baby?
    >Doc, I think I found the newest version on one of the tapes you 
    >sent me a while back.
    Yes, a great many oldies were speeded up in the 50s and 60s. The
    classic case is Chuck Berry. His company speeded his tracks up to
    make him sound younger. Problem was, he had trouble reproducing 
    that sound on stage! (Made the guitar parts harder, too!) This 
    comes to light when a CD is released. Unlike oldie LPS and 45 
    reissues, CDs are usually made from the master tapes. And THOSE 
    are not speeded up. So  unless an engineer is savvy enough to 
    now to speed them up, the CD version will not be like the 45. A 
    prime example of this is "Little Queenie," which sounds quite 
    slow, with a deep-voiced Chuck, on some CDs.
    Another example is "Sidewalk Surfin'" by Jan & Dean. Jan very 
    often speeded up the 45s. The stereo version of "Sidewalk Surfin'" 
    which was released on Liberty LPs was mixed by the engineer, 
    not Jan, and is much slower than the 45 and the mono LP cut.
    Jan also had trouble singing high notes. So he would slow down 
    the track for songs such as "You Really Know How To Hurt A Guy" 
    while recording his vocals. That made the high notes easier to 
    reach. Then for the release, the normal speed was restored, and 
    Jan sang higher!
    The classic girl record that was speeded up was Robin Ward's 
    (real name Jackie) "Wonderful Summer."  Since she was a 
    full-grown woman with a daughter (named Robin, btw), to make her
    sound like a teen, her voice was speeded up.
    Perhaps the earliest example is Sue Thompson. As if her voice 
    was not high and kiddish enough in the early 50s, her record 
    company (Mercury) speeded up an early record of hers. She begged
    them not to do it, but they persisted, and it made her cry. She 
    always said it made her sound like a Space Girl.
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    Subject:     The Carpenters
    Received:    02/09/99 7:18 am
    From:        Horatius Hufnagel,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Picked up The Carpenters' "Close To You" LP a couple of days ago. 
    Having always ignored the group for some reason, it was a 
    pleasant surprise to discover that the duo's music is really 
    fantastic! This record has two great Roger Nichols songs, three 
    brilliant Bacharach/David covers and several of their own tunes.
    What other "essential" Carpenters LPs should I get hold of?
    And what's Richard Carpenter up to these days? It'd be great if 
    he somehow could join this list...
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    Subject:     To: Glen Lalich ~ From: Diane Renay
    Received:    02/08/99 8:43 am
    From:        Diane renay, CEIInvXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Glen:
         Thanks for your compliments. " Watch Out Sally" was my 
    favorite recording also. At the end of the song I started to 
    ad-lib at the last moment, it was not rehearsed and I didn't 
    even know it was going to come out of my mouth, it just did!
         Sincerely: Diane Renay <[:>)
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    Subject:     To: Ian Chapman ~ From: Diane Renay
    Received:    02/06/99 10:27 pm
    From:        Diane renay, CEIInvXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Ian:
         Thanks for letting me know about this new compilation of 
    girl-group songs that will be coming out. I'm happy to hear that
    your friend chose to use one of my songs that I liked very much, 
    but didn't think too many people have ever heard, "The Company 
    You Keep." I would like to know when it comes out on the market 
    and how I can get a copy. I will try and answer your questions 
    as best I can................
         My real name is Renee Diane Kushner. I was born in South 
    Philadelphia and we moved to a suburb when I was 9 years old. 
    It's a long story how I finally got together with Bob Crewe, so 
    I will just say that I was first under contract to Atco Records 
    and for my second single they called in Bob Crewe to write and 
    produce my next session on the companies label. That is how I 
    first met Bob Crewe and the rest is history, ha, ha! Jeanie 
    Thomas use to sing background along with two other girls on some
    of my recordings. I became friends with these girls and sometimes
    would hang out with them when I was in New York. However, I can 
    only remember the first name of one of the other girls, I think 
    her name was Mikey and that's all I can remember.
         Well, I hope this helps your friend out bit. Thanks for 
    your interest.
         Sincerely: Diane Renay <[:>)
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