__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0220 February 2, 1999 __________________________________________________________ joining the legions of fansSubject: A surprise Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXXXXXXt.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Guess what everybody. My friend Sheila is taking some classes at NYU, and she noticed an older black woman sitting in front of her. When the class had to stand up and tell a little bit about themselves, she introduced herself as none other tha Mary Wilson! She didn't mention the Supremes, but said she had become a professional singer at age 13, toured the world, and was now back to take some courses for a new direction in her life. Sheila was blown away! No one else new who she was because she didn't mention the Supremes, but Sheila, who is a huge GG fan knew the whole story. She's going to introduce herself next week. I've invited both Sheila and Katherine Anderson-Schaffner of the Marvelettes to join the group if they have time, and I've also extended an invitation to Mary. Let's all hope they write me back so I can recommend them as new members! Will p.s. that new Del-Fi Girl group comp sounds great! what other artists can we expect to hear? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Fave Album Cover Received: 01/31/99 9:06 pm From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Well... I'd have to say "The Crystals Twist Uptown," with all those Crystals in their party dresses getting ready to hop into their station wagon. A close second... the Phil Spector Christmas Album... you just KNOW they were all sweating bullets under those hot lights, wearing those wigs and winter sweaters, but you'd never know it judging by those happy smiles. Barbara: was everyone present at this Christmas photo shoot, or were the groups spliced together? And I heard once who's on there with Bobby and Fanita. It's not Darlene; is it Carolyn Willis? It would have been odd to have Darlene in two places on that LP cover, even if she WAS photographed separately... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Greetings Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: John Hesterman, ZachaXXXXXXXXffice.worldnet.att.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Hello All :) I'm not sure who it was that sponsored me to this list, but thank you! I have really enjoyed reading the posts over the last couple of weeks and hope I can make occassional contributions that will be of interest to all of you as well. Thanks again :) John "...together we will explore the great unknown..." Paul McCartney, ONLY LOVE REMAINS --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: It's My Party Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: Doc Rock, docroXXXXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com I just received promo/review copies of two CD singles by a GG called It's My Party. CD one has "I'd Much Rather Be With the Girls" (the Donna Lynn song) and a nifty retro-song called "Can't." The second CD has "That Boy John" (yes, THAT "That Boy John" b/w a wonderful remake of the Secrets' "The Boy Next Door," and "I'm Bobby's Girl." I recommend them highly. New grist for our mill! Write John at impXXXXXXXXom, and tell 'em Doc sent ya'! It won't do you any good, but I've always wanted to say that! Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: acetates Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: Doc Rock, docroXXXXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Jamie, You asked about sessions, and if Diane had acetates of tracks to practice her vocals with. Well, wait til she tells you of the marathon 24-hour Navy Blue LP session, with songs written for her by Bob Crewe on the spot as she slept in the studio! Take it away, Diane! Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Soft Rock A-Z Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: Agnes Skinner, MUV96XXXXXXXXnt2.lu.se To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Harvey Williams wrote: >and there's a Soft Rock chart placing Salt Water Taffy's >'Finders Keepers' ... LOL! Hahaha. Y'know, some of my friends think I listen to *totally* unknown 60s bands but I have never in my life heard of Salt Water Taffy!!! Could you describe their music a bit more and possibly give me some reference points (similar artists, that is)? >which makes one question the compilers' taste (better than >Odessey & Oracle? Pet Sounds? Roger Nichols?). I've never been able to get into that Zombies record. It's regarded as a masterpiece by many, no? >As for that SMiLE LP, yeah, I've often wondered about that too. >I know it was released on Tenth Planet a while ago; Can't >remember the band's name I'm afraid (something like Five Miles >Beyond..?), tho' I read a review when it came out, & it said >more about the sleeve than the music. Deduce from that what you >will. It's pretty weird cos it was only 7 british pounds and I simply forgot to buy it! The same happened when I found this pretty rare but cheap 7", Herb Alpert & TB doing a cover of the Beach Boys' "Darlin'" - it was supercheap bit I just forgot to buy it! ! Must be something in the London air, me thinks...:) Elliot Kendall shared this URL with us: >WEB VANDA <http://www.jah.ne.jp/~vanda/> Thanks, Elliot! I'll definitely bookmark this site. And then Jamie LePage wrote: >I too am quite fond of the great harmony vocals of the Mamas and >the Papas, and for more of the same sunshiny vocal sound, I >suggest other artists in a similar style: Eternity's Children, Hmmm...never heard of this group - care to share the essential info? >Sagittarius, Sunshine Company, Fifth Dimension, for instance. Sunshine Company....I found one of their records at a record fair a couple of months ago but in the grand tradition of my life, I forgot to buy it!! :) The guy who sold it said it sounds like a complete Mamas/Papas rip-off. I've never really liked the latter group - as Marty Rudnick said, the hits are fantastic but there's a lot of filler on their LPs - so I guess I wouldn't enjoy SC, right? I'm more into the Brill Building/ Bacharach-styled soft rock..... The Cyrkle - what about them? Will get to that reply soon, Marty... Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: What is soft rock? Received: 02/02/99 7:21 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXXXXXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com Intriguing post, Frank. >>and there's a Soft Rock chart placing Salt Water Taffy's ' >>Finders Keepers' at the top, which makes one question the >>compilers' taste (better than Odessey & Oracle? Pet Sounds? >>Roger Nichols?) > >I'm fascinated by the Japanese take on soft rock, which appears >to be every bit as hip over there as it's traditionally been >un-hip here. I share Frank's fascination. Why do the Japanese judge the arguably "unhip" Salt Water Taffy as an equal to the most highly revered albums of this genre: Pet Sounds and Odessey & Oracle? One aspect of so-called "soft rock" that makes it so relevant to this discussion group is that it evolved directly from the Brill Building/Girl Group school. Riopell from Spector to Parade, Usher from Hondells to Sagittarius, David Gates from Girlfriends to Bread, and like that. But by 1968, the old school music makers were perceived by the new Rock movement as going in a decidedly unhip direction. The real time prejudice against love american styled pop music is sort of irrelevant now, especially for those whose discovery of this music is recent. And while appreciation of music is always subjective, certainly the schooled musicians' and arrangers' work of this period is far more structured than much of the Rock music that came out at this time. Anyone heard of Blue Cheer? The 20's to 30's Japanese who buy "soft rock" I guess are detached even one level further; that is, the nuance of lyric and its importance to the mood of a song is often only partially understood and often not taken into consideration. So a lyric like "Finders keepers, losers weepers-You should have woke up before you broke up" may not sound as ridiculous as it does to many native English speakers. >To me O&O is a little arty, Pet Sounds a tad whiney; though >frankly I'm surprised Roger's not at the top of that list. I had to smile at that. Both O&O and PS would be in my desert island list if I ever bothered to make one, but I get what you mean about arty and whiney. Hey, that's part of what makes them so darn good. And you're right about Roger Nichols, Frank; in the Japanese definition of soft rock Small Circle of Friends is godhead. I just have to say Salt Water Taffy doesn't suck if you like all the Kama Sutra/Buddah stuff. But for those whose taste for soft rock leans toward the A&M and Burbank sound, some of the more contrived stuff lauded under the so-called soft rock banner ends up sounding like second rate bubblegum music. -- Art and wine rule!!!!! All the best, Jamie LePage
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