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  • Date: 01/16/99

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       Volume #0212                        January 18, 1999   
    Subject:     Oh, Linda!
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        Charles G. Hill,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > Recently, Carol Kaye mentioned long-time Gold Star engineer Stan
    > Ross in one of her fabulous dissertations...Does anyone remember 
    > the record Stan put out with Bob Arbogast in 1958 called "Chaos"? 
    > It was a satire on RnR radio of that time ("KOS, Kay-os Radio") 
    > & was issued on Liberty 55197 but never charted. One of the 
    > funniest records I've ever heard (being an ex-jock), complete 
    > with fast-talking DJ & hilarious jingles - Altho' having copies 
    > of the single, I've never seen it on a compilation, not even a 
    > Demento comp...Can anyone supply some info if it has re-surfaced
    > anywhere???
    In 1986, EMI America issued an LP (and presumably a cassette, 
    maybe even a CD) titled "More Hits, More Often - Liberty Records: 
    1958-1963", which collected a number of singles from the period. 
    On the LP, the two parts of "Chaos", described in Alan Warner's 
    liner notes as "semi-legendary", bracket Side Two. This is the 
    only time I've ever seen it in a compilation.
    > "It Kay-os...
    > But not to work here...
    > We wish..somebody'"
    "I'll do anything...I'll even play a Count Basie record!"....cgh
    Charles G. Hill | |
          "Now is the Windows of our discontent." - Richard 3.0       
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    Subject:     Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        David Feldman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > Apparently the Crystals, Shangri-Las, and Marvelettes are going 
    > to share a bill in New York soon... any New Yorkers want to 
    > verify this? Anyone going?
    Or a more basic question.  Who is performing in these groups?  I 
    saw the "Marvelettes" a few years ago and there were no original 
    Dave Feldman
    Year of the Year:  1999
    CD of the Year:  The Look of Love: The Burt Bacharach Collection
    Word of the Week: Diphthong  
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
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    Subject:     Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes
    Received:    01/16/99 12:46 pm
    From:        IAC,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Jimmy - 
    I went to see a Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes show in London a few
    years back. The Crystals - who had top billing - were basically 
    Dee Dee and two recruits - did a pretty good spot, however - 
    they sang well, and the orchestra went all out for the Spector 
    sound. The Shangri-la's, as you might expect, were just three 
    impostors - all obviously far too young to have been out of 
    diapers when the real group was in the charts. At the stage door, 
    they were nervously signing autographs from "The Shangri-la's" - 
    no names, of course - and they left pretty quickly before 
    anyone could ask any awkward questions. The Marvelettes 
    comprised Gladys Horton and two recruits - the irony was that 
    Gladys was the only original lead singer on the whole bill, and 
    turned in the best performance, yet was billed below the other 
    two groups, even the fake Shangs, which was pretty outrageous, I
    thought. Anyway, maybe you'll let us know how this compares with 
    the New York show?
    Ian Chapman
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    Subject:     Re: Crystals, Shangri-Las, Marvelettes? 
    Sent:        01/11/19 6:43 am
    Received:    01/17/99 8:42 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > From:        Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmXXXXXXXXom
    > Apparently the Crystals, Shangri-Las, and Marvelettes are going 
    > to share a bill in New York soon... any New Yorkers want to 
    > verify this? Anyone going?
    Hi Jimmy!
    I'm not a New Yorker, but this seems a little far-fetched. I 
    think we all know about the fake Marvelettes going around, the 
    real ones are know known as Gladys Horton and the Marvelettes, 
    but Gladys is the only original who tours, although Wanda Young 
    is still recording. The Shangri-las have not performed to my 
    knowledge since Mary Ann Ganser passed away in 1994. Mary Weiss 
    is doing some interior decorating presently. And as for the 
    Crystals? Barbara, does Dee Dee still have a group touring? I'd 
    love to see this concert, and if these are the originals I may 
    just take a flight down to see them, but I'm not getting my 
    hopes up.
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    Subject:     George Martin
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 1/13/99 7:01:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
    > I'll have to look this up to be absolutely sure, but I'm 99% 
    > positive that what George Martin actually said was that with 
    > Beatles records up to (and including?) the white album, the mono
    > mix was the one which he and the engineers spent the most time 
    > and care on, with the stereo mixes done quickly and almost as an
    > afterthought. 
    Yes, he did say that, but it was version 2 or 3 of his story. He
    even tried to say he didn't supervise the stereo mixes and let 
    assistants to do the work, but someone wrote (in Goldmine I 
    think) that George Martin's name is on the session sheets the 
    stereos were created at.
    Nobody knows the truth my opinion not even Martin.
    Paul Urbahns
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    Subject:     Glad All Over
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 1/15/99 10:04:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
    > GLAD ALL OVER's "Doo Dah," which is simply fascinating in its 
    > awfulness: okay, a waltz played at funeral dirge speed with lyrics 
    > that slightly rewrite "Camptown Races" into directions for a 
    > would-be dance craze. Who on earth thought this was a good idea?
    > Stewart 
    Phil Spector's definition was that an album was 2 hits and 10 
    pieces of junk. That's why he and many other producers had 
    artists record various current hits as filler so they could get 
    recognizable titles on the cover, after all in the 60's rock and
    roll was a singles market.
    Paul Urbahns
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    Subject:     Still More Drifters
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        James Cassidy,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Re: The Burt B. Box, David Ponak wrote:
    >How could he overlook Dusty's "I Just Don't Know What To Do With
    >Myself?" (I also would have also chosen Dusty's version of "In
    >The Land Of Make Believe.")
    Both Dusty's and Dionne's versions of "In the Land of Make 
    Believe" present the song as kind of an erotic daydream; their 
    lover is away and they're fantasizing. For a *completely* 
    different interpretation of this song, try to find The Drifters'
    version (Is it on the "Rockin' & Driftin'" collection, Jamie? I 
    only have it on an old, scratchy LP). Sung with passionate 
    intensity by Rudy Lewis and accompanied by a more dissonant, 
    discordant musical arrangement, it sounds as if the singer has 
    gone off the deep end and moved permanently to The Land of Make 
    Believe or at least a secure facility with padded walls and nice
    people in white jackets.
    Jim Cassidy
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    Subject:     Re: Bacharach Box
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        Jeffrey Thames, KingoGXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >From David Ponak's recent appraisal of *The Look of Love*:
    >How could [box producer Patrick Milligan] overlook Dusty's 'I 
    >Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself?'
    I must disagree here. The Tommy Hunt version (which made the cut) 
    was the first version of the song I heard, thanks to the 
    Scepter box on Capricorn. Maybe I'd actually heard another 
    version (possibly Dusty's) years before, but it wasn't until 
    Tommy's take that I actually took notice of just how SAD the 
    song is. Entertainment Weekly also bemoaned the fact that a 
    "no-name" version of "IJDKWTDWM" was included. I think Mr. 
    Milligan made the best choice possible...he used a version that 
    brought its every emotion to the forefront, and he introduced 
    people to a mouthpiece for Burt and Hal that heretofore might 
    have only been known to pop music zealots such as ourselves.*  
    Hey, I love Dusty as much as the next guy...I just prefer the 
    Tommy Hunt version.
    >Cilla Black's version of "Alfie," one of Burt & Hal's greatest 
    >accomplishments, is unlistenable to my ears. She sounds like 
    >Liza Minelli on a bad day, for god's sake! This should have been
    >the Dionne version.
    At the risk of contradicting my praise to Mr. Milligan for 
    championing an underdog, I second this wholeheartedly. I haven't
    heard very much Cilla Black, but what I have heard hasn't made 
    much of an impression (with the possible exception of "You're My
    World"). The box may be heavily Dionne-saturated as it is, but I
    don't think one more track would have hurt. Or, to balance things, 
    replace her version of "The Windows of the World" with Scott 
    Walker's. Now you're talkin'...
    *--I think I might have set a new record here for Most Pretentious 
    Spectropop Observation.  Whatcha think??
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    Subject:     Robots vs. Freak-Outers
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        David Feldman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    The redoubtable Carol Kaye said:
    > If you watched us studio musicians record, you'd be bored to 
    > tears at our robotic looks, and no gestures. We put our all into
    > the music. Back when I was playing jazz in the clubs, everyone 
    > prided themselves not to move much, as that was "showmanship", 
    > not musicianship. You played to crowds of people who listened to
    > music (not "looked" at music), who grew up to listening to the 
    > radio. But showmanship is the name of it all these days -- most 
    > people grew up with television and demand a lot of stage 
    > presence in addition to music.
    This is something I've always wondered about. In rock and 
    classical music, it's common for soloists to grimace, gesture, 
    close their eyes, sway, or otherwise freak out. I've always 
    assumed that much of this movement was showmanship, especially 
    because most (but not all, by any means) jazz soloists tend 
    toward the "robotic look" school.
    So the question for me was always:  Were the freak-outers faking
    the movements, or were the "robotics" repressing natural urges. 
    It's always been difficult for me to imagine performers 
    gesturing so much when rehearsing. Could you imagine Johnnie 
    Ray's rehearsals if he did?
    Dave Feldman
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    Subject:     Dreaming of Reissues/The World of Lost Curb Masters
    Received:    01/16/99 10:02 am
    From:        Matthew Kaplan, TweXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Last week somebody brought up the topic of masters that never 
    get released, I think Dave Clark 5 was part of the main gist of 
    the conversation. I would like to add to that most of the tracks
    controlled (or claimed to be controlled) by Mike Curb. Curb had 
    is fingers in loads of great material in the 6Ts including most 
    of the Biker Exploitation soundtracks, a wonderful soundtrack to
    the TV show "Hot Wheels", Davie Allen & The Arrows along with a 
    huge chunk of West Coast pop. Now of course Mike Curb runs Curb 
    Records (through Atlantic) and makes major bucks off of LeeAnn 
    Rimes (sp...but not the sista of Busta Rhymes) and other country
    schlock pop. The only times that I have seen reissues of 6Ts 
    material that he has been involved with, it has been crappy 10 
    song compilations. Any thoughts on how to force his hand?
    Matthew Kaplan
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    Subject:     The Uncollected Works
    Received:    01/16/99 1:00 pm
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >Who owns [the Spector] stuff now (the rights to the cuts on ["Phil 
    >Spector 1975/79"] album, the Dion album, ..."Rare Masters" ...and 
    >important tracks that are missing...?
    These are owned by Phil Spector and administered by ABKCO. 
    I guess Spector paid for and then licensed the two Ronnie tracks 
    to Apple, but I could be wrong. The Ramones masters are most 
    likely owned by Sire, and naturally, all the Beatles-related 
    stuff is Apple.
    >Does anyone know if there are plans for a follow-up to the boxed
    >set that could be called "The Uncollected Works"...?
    It would be interesting to compile a list of what we would 
    consider a comprehensive set of the formerly or currently 
    unavailable Spector tracks. I bet there is far too much 
    material for a single CD release, so let's compile a 
    Ronnie-related wish list first.
    Here are the tracks that immediately come to mind:
    You Came, You Saw, You Conquered (formerly unavailable)
    Oh, I Love You (currently unavailable)
    I Can Hear Music (currently unavailable)
    Girls Can Tell (currently unavailable)
    The Twist (currently unavailable)
    Mashed Potato Time (currently unavailable)
    Lovers (currently unavailable)
    Blues For Baby (currently unavailable)
    Try Some, Buy Some (currently unavailable)
    Tandouri Chicken (currently unavailable)
    Any other Phil & Ronnie tracks for this "wish list"?
    All the best,
    Jamie LePage 
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    Subject:     BOUNCE Non-member su
    Received:    01/16/99 7:56 pm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    ========== Start of forwarded message ==============
    Creation Signs Ronnie Spector
    Alan McGee's Creation Records has signed American girl-group 
    veteran Ronnie Spector. Ronnie, the ex-wife of sixties "wall of 
    sound" producer Phil Spector, is best known as the leader of the
    Ronettes, whose hits include "Be My Baby," Walking In The Rain," 
    and "Baby I Love You" among many others.
    Lately she's been hanging out with former Ramones singer Joey 
    Ramone, who's co-produced (with Daniel Rey) four songs for her 
    in recent months, one of them a duet with Ramone sharing the 
    vocals. Ramone confirms that the songs will be released January 
    1999. An American release has not been scheduled.
    Produced by Joey Ramone: She Talks to Rainbows (Ramones), Bye 
    Bye Baby (Ramones), You Can't Put Your Arms Around a Memory 
    (Johnny Thunders) and Don't Worry Baby (Brian Wilson). Here's the
    Ronnie Spector: vocals
    Daniel Rey: guitars and bass
    Roger Murdock: drums
    Cindy Miesel: backing vocals
    Cinday Lafevre: piano
    Joey Ramone: vocals on Bye Bye Baby and You Can't Put Your Arms 
    Around a Memory.
    It's an unusual move for Creation, whose roster also includes 
    Primal Scream, Teenage Fanclub, Super Furry Animals, The Boo 
    Radleys, St. Etienne, Ruby and Bob Mould. A spokesperson for the
    label said that Creation head Alan McGee is personally a huge fan
    of both Ronnie and Ramone.
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