__________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ __________________________________________________________________ Volume #0204 January 2, 1999 __________________________________________________________________ For maximum enjoyment store in protective envelope when not in use Subject: More... Sent: 01/01/99 6:02 am Received: 01/01/99 7:55 am From: Carol Kaye, carolXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Claudia, yes, I worked for Jerry Fuller in the 60s. I did a lot of different kinds of rock dates for him. He usually used John Guerin on drums, who is still here in LA. Not sure about the other name, it sounds familiar and is probably in my log. I will get back on that one. Yes, I worked a great deal in the 60s for the very nice Bobby Goldsboro, really a great guy as well as a good singer. Did his big hits with him (listed on bass credits on my site) at Columbia Records. I've known Herb Alpert since he was working at Keen Records with Bumps Blackwell; he and Lou teamed up early on, but they went their own separate ways when Herb's 1st hit happened (Lonely Bull). I did a lot of nice dates with Herb, not all but quite a few on guitar -- am on 12-string guitar for his hit, Mexican Shuffle, and quite a few others. I played bass on his Whipped Cream album, cut at Gold Star where all the rest were done also. He is an EXCELLENT producer, really knows his craft. I even did a "jazz gig" (it was a bar mitzvah, but the band was pure stone-jazz) with Herb on trumpet, and well.......he's great at producing! He's a very nice guy too, a very gentle soul. His brother and his partner really helped him with A&M, and Larry Levine designed his famous studios where so much was cut too. Ian - very sorry to hear about Dusty Springfield, she is a very kind beautiful lady -- I enjoyed working with her in the late 60s, with Paul Humphrey on drums. It was at a sad time of her life, and I think she liked the way we kidded and cheered her up. I was very impressed with her as a person. Such talent! I hope she beats this thing, my daughter did, and it was a tough row to hoe. Happy New Year to you all, and thanks, Carol --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jerry Fuller Sent: 01/01/99 6:49 am Received: 01/01/99 7:56 am From: Warren Cosford, rXXXXXXXXNet To: Spectropop, SpectrXXXXXXXXties.com Hi Folks: I believe the song Claudia Cunningham was trying to recall by Jerry Fuller was "Goodnight Pretty Girl". Don't believe it was a hit, except perhaps regionally, but it was a great song. The ultimate "dreamy ballad". Cheers WC --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Bobby Russell/ Jerry Fuller Sent: 01/05/19 12:05 pm Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Claudia wrote: I am wondering if any of you, particularly Carol Kaye, knows anything about Bobby Russell's contributions to producing music and Jerry Fuller's. Russell was married to Vicki Lawrence at the time and produced "The Night the Lights Went out in Georgia" for her in the early Seventies. I know he produced for other people. Anyone know who? I have been researching Bobby Russell for years and never really centered on his productions as he was better known as a songwriter of Honey, Little Green Apples, The Joker Went Wild (Brian Hyland) and others. In the 60's he operated out of Nashville and along with Buzz Cason, and D Bergan White were (among other things) the group that recorded "Little GTO" in Nashville. Lots of people think the record was from California. I have hundreds of records recorded by Russell as sound-a-likes for Hit Records of Nashville. His first wife was Honey (that's where the song title came from). His biggest solo hit was probably the novelty record 1432 Franklin Pike Circle hero, even though he had some chart success in the 60s (mostly MOR charts) with Better Homes And Gardens and others on the Elf label. Claudia wrote: Jerry Fuller produced many acts in the early to mid Sixties. He had a song out which he sang on in '64 or '65 which was a ballad. It was very haunting and I can't recall the name. Does anyone know? His biggest success was with Gary Puckett & The Union Gap. He produced and wrote all their hits. When Gary Puckett walked out of a Fuller recording session, that ended his relationship with Fuller and ended his hits. If you listen to Fuller's solo album you can see Puckett was basically impersonating Fuller's sound on demos. I had Fuller's solo album on MCA once but gave it away to a Gary Puckett fan. Paul URbahns paulurXXXXXXXXom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jerry Ross and April Young Sent: 01/01/99 5:56 am Received: 01/01/99 7:55 am From: WILLIAM STOS, wXXXXXXXXt.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com >April Young Gonna Make Him My Baby (Anders/Poncia/Calvert)/Life >(Madara & White) Columbia 4-43285, released 6/65. > >Both sides produced by Jerry Ross. I understand that April and >Jerry were once an item, and that she passed away a while ago, >but don't take it as gospel. All her records are worth looking >for, she never made a bad one. Jerry and April were married during her recording career. I was surprised to learn about April's "To Be Loved By You," record. I saw that both names were the same, but the voice on "Gonna Make Him My Baby," seems to be different from the one on "To be Loved." Is this just me? I'd love to find more of April's songs. Jerry Ross' best productions can be found on "Here Come The Girls Vol 9" the North American edition. 20 great songs including the Sapphires' "Slow Fizz," Candy and the Kisses' "The 81," Honey and the Lovenotes' "Mary Ann," which, correct me if I'm wrong Barbara, was recorded but not released by the Crystals, and others! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Another Mary Ann Sent: 12/29/18 11:15 am Received: 01/01/99 11:18 pm From: Frank Youngwerth, FXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com >Mary Ann is an interesting record because there seems to be no >Spector version of this song anywhere (at least none that I'm >aware of). The song "(I Just Go) Wild Inside" by the Barons (Imperial 66057) is credited to Spector-Poncia-Androeli, and it strongly resembles "Mary Ann" in part. I'm not aware of Phil's being involved with the Barons (and wasn't that the name of Jan & Dean's original group?) other than that they recorded this song. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Carol Connors Sent: 01/01/99 3:29 am Received: 01/01/99 3:33 am From: David Feldman, felXXXXXXXXderables.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Jamie asked: >Does anyone have a Carol Connors discography? Everything I've >heard is just great, and much is smack dab in a Spector-less >Teddy Bears style. Wish I could help, but I can't. But as a native Angeleno, I distinctly remember her appearances on numerous local TV shows (among many that they could be -- Lloyd Thaxton, 9th Street West (Sam Riddle), Shivaree (Gene Weed?), one of Casey Kasem's?, one of Wink Martindale's local shows?) -- and that she was a singular presence. For a songwriter, she sure was pretty! And she had the bad girl group look down cold, even though the songs were, er, as you say, Teddy Bearish. What I remember most about her performances, though, was an extremely unusual (for its time) post-modern ironic attitude. Whether she was making fun of the lip-synching, making fun of her material, or was awkward about being on camera, I don't know. Her heart didn't seem to be in performance. Dave Feldman Movie of the Week: "Babe: Pig in the City" Best Network TV Show of New Season: "Sports Night" & "Cupid" (tie) CD of the Week: "We Three Kings" (Roches) City of the Week: London Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at "http://www.imponderables.com" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Stereo Ronettes/Jan And Dean Sent: 01/05/19 7:05 am Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Jamie wrote >Still prefer the single mono mixes to both stereo mixes Good luck, the only way to get the original mono mixes is on the original release 45s. Or possibily on original Philles albums. Seems like everytime Phil reissues stuff he remixes it and the fights have been legendary. I remember when Rhino anounced they were issuing the Phil Spector box set, that eventually came out on Abkco (after Rhino spending a ton of money on it). Phil was pissing off everybody in the studio during remixing to digital, They called on Larry Levine to come in and help because he was used to working with Phil. And I would imagine Phil trusts him more than most engineers. The Abkco remixes list Jody Klein (is this Allen's wife or son?) and Larry Levine. I once had a tape of the original Ronettes stereo mixes and liked them best. The European releases had quieter backgrounds and the voices out front. I always felt he took that approach because he was always critisized for burying the vocals in the original mixes. But I thought the European releases (I have most of them) lacked punch. Guess it's one person's opinion, but you got it. Paul Urbahns PS As I type this I'm listening to Jan & Dean's "Save It For A Rainy Day" CD on Sundazed. I think they did a good job on the stereo mixes there, when comapared to the original mono mixes on the CD from the original mono album tapes. The mono almost sounds like you're listening through a pipe of some kind, a metallic sound. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Girls Can Tell - Bev Warren - Joanie Sommers Sent: 01/01/99 11:15 pm Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: Jamie LePage, le_pageXXXXXXXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Hi Ian, You wrote: >the Ronettes version wasn't on their Greatest >Hits Vol. 2 in the PSI Box Set. Thanks for confirming that. You mentioned in an earlier post that Polydor lost the tape To Girls Can Tell. It always sounds so permanent when it's reported tapes are stolen or lost. Surely Phil has a safety, or he must have the multi-track tape. Or maybe not? Anyway, if Girls Can Tell went missing...well just think; Polydor UK must have had nearly all the Philles masters for that first PSI series. The same group of people that incorrectly credited Girls Can Tell to the Crystals. Yikes! Thankfully the Spector masters are in good hands now. ;-) >Beverly Warren - Let Me Get Close To You (Goffin/King)/Baby Baby >Hullabaloo (Margo, Margo, Medress, Siegel) Rust 5098, released 64. > >Beverly had a couple other releases on BT Puppy... So is Big-Time Productions another Token credit? Did they do Let Me Get Close To You? Surely Baby Baby Hullabaloo's their B. >Anyone noticed the striking similarity between this song >and Mann/Weil's "I'd Be So Good For You", as done by >Joanie Sommers? I listened to the Joanie Sommers side after you wrote this. What are you hearing, Ian? They both use the hook at the end of the verse approach rather than verse/chorus, and to that extent, both hooks come at the same place and have a similar lyric, but outside of that, I'm not hearing it. On the other hand, Barry & Cyn's I'm Gonna Know He's Mind by Joanie Sommers sounds awfully close to Sapphires' Who Do You Love, doncha think? -- All the best, Jamie LePage <le_pageXXXXXXXXties.com> --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Xmas tune Sent: 01/01/99 3:28 am Received: 01/01/99 7:55 am From: Doc Rock, docrXXXXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com I heard a "new" Xmas tune on the radio this year. The DJ did not give the title or artist, but it was a GG-type record, probably titled "Christmas Kisses." Sounded a bit like Joanie Sommers. Anyone know the record, either from the early '60s or from a new compilation? Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Boss Soul Sent: 01/01/99 6:49 am Received: 01/01/99 7:55 am From: David Marsteller, daveXXXXXXXXflin.org To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Hi All! Yesterday, I bought a copy of a compilation on Del-Fi, "Boss Soul-The Genius Of Barry White" which is a collection of tracks by various artists (best known are Viola Wills and Mr. White himself) which were produced by Barry White in the mid-60s for a Del-Fi affiliated label, Bronco. Apparently the idea was for Del-Fi to create their own Motown. The liner notes mention Carol Kaye as being on the recordings, as well as Jim Messina, with Patrice Holloway, Edna Wright and Darlene Love as background singers. No information on individual sessions, but some of those tracks do sound pretty good! Carol, do you remember those sessions at all? Later Dave /************************************************************************/ /** "It used to be a pleasure, a comfort and a treasure" **/ /** Diesel Park West **/ /** David Marsteller daveXXXXXXXXflin.org **/ /************************************************************************/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: a couple other 45's Sent: 01/01/99 11:26 am Received: 01/01/99 11:17 pm From: Billy G. Spradlin, bgspraXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Thanks for the information on "Girls Can Tell" and the Beverly Warren and April Young singles. You guys know your stuff. Now I have a couple other 45's that I need information on. I have both of these records in my collection, and I picked them up over the years at thrift stores. (Cheap!) Toni Jones Dear (Here Comes My Baby) (P.Spector) Love is Strange (E. Smith-M. Baker) Smash S-1814 Produced by Lester Sill & Steve Douglas Arranged by Jack Nitzsche Carol Shaw Jimmy Boy (Edwards-Weiss) Please Don't (Carr-Shuman) Atco 45-6278 (white promo copy) An Award Music Production Supervised By Artie Ripp Matthew Reid Lollypops Went Out Of Style (Crew-L'Heureux) Cry Myself to Sleep (Crewe-Gaudio) Topix 45-6006V (Promo Copy...Distributed by London Records) Produced by Bob Crewe "Cry" arranged and conducted by Sid Bass I hope you find these 45's interesting. I listed the Matthew Reid because it has a lot of interesting "effects" (echo, reverb, maximum compression on the drums) that Bob Crewe loved to use on those classic 4 Seasons productions. I almost threw this 45 back in the bin at the thrift store in Wichita Kansas in 1995 where I discovered it in because it had a bad break in the vinyl and thought it wouldnt play. Glad I didnt! Have a great 1999 Billy G. Spradlin 29 Rim Road Kilgore, Texas 75662 Email: bgspraXXXXXXXXlink.net Homepage: http://home.earthlink.net/~bgspradlin/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Supremes Sent: 12/28/18 11:43 am Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: john rausch, XXXXXXXXnet To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Hi All Wishing everyone a happy New Year. While surfing, I stumbled across a Supremes website some may enjoy: http://www.supremes.force9.co.uk/ Out of the U.K. and should please some on the list, however I didn`t stay very long as it was taking too long to load and I am very impatient :-) John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall of SoXXXXXXXX://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Hot Pastrami Sent: 01/02/19 5:23 am Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: john rausch, XXXXXXXXnet To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com The Ronettes as Crystals: I love to hear Ronnie sing "Phil Spector Yeah..." and then "Jack Nitzsche Yeah..." on Hot Pastrami and that got me to thinking about 2 other Crystals songs sung by Ronnie: The Twist and Mashed Potato Time. They all sound as if they were recorded in one or two takes, especially on Mashed Potato Time, there's a part when it sounds as if Ronnie is mumbling the syllables to the words 'cause she didn't have them all memorized, and the drummer makes a mistake toward the end of the song. All said and done,I still enjoy listening to these cuts. Also ...I am making a Spector instrumental "b-side" compilation and was wondering if anyone has heard "Winter Blues", the B-side of the hard to find issue of Christmas, Baby Please Come Home? Is It an Instrumental or does Darlene sing? John Rausch Presenting The Fabulous RoneXXXXXXXX://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Fees and Royalties re Motown Sent: 12/27/18 6:15 pm Received: 01/02/99 11:18 am From: Doc Rock, docrXXXXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Carol, I am confused. You mentioned getting $25 or $35 per 2 tunes. You also mentioned people back in Detroit getting royalties. Are these "people" the artists on the label, or are they the session musicians who did not play on the tunes but who would have had the sessions been back East? And you mentioned Motown songs being in films. Do session players get royalties for that? I never thought they did, but do they? Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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