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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 12/23/98

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       Volume #0199                       December 23, 1998   
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    Subject:     "Girls Can Tell"
    Sent:        12/22/98 5:27 pm
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        Billy G. Spradlin, biXXXXXXXXre.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    One of my favorite Crystals songs is "Girls Can Tell" which is on 
    the "Wall of Sound" box set and the ABKCO best-of. Why wasn't this
    song released as a single in the USA and why did Phil keep it on 
    the shelf so long?
    
    Also I have a single by Clydie King called "He Always Comes Back" 
    on Imperial produced by Marshall Lieb. Its a great record. Does 
    anyone have a discography on her?
    
    Thanks.
    
    Billy G.
    
    
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    Subject:     Ronnie Life
    Sent:        12/22/98 9:36 am
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        R Teyes, RTXXXXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    To All Ronettes/Ronnie Fans:
    
    I went to see Ronnie at LIFE here in New York City last Wed. She 
    came out a little late but what a star! She did her Xmas songs, 
    was a lil chubby and her hair was great!
    
    The band was good but the system just as good, not excellent. She 
    dialogued with the audience who loved her. A few people kept 
    screaming for old hits and she saved these for the end. I shouted 
    "I love you Ronnie" and she winked at me. After the show, a few of
    us waited in the cold outside for her and she was gracious but her 
    entourage rushed her into a limo. She is something else!!!
    
    Robert Tirado
    The Ronette Hound
    
    
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    Subject:     answers, CK
    Sent:        12/23/98 5:31 am
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        Carol Kaye, carolXXXXXXXXlink.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    
    Whew, isn't this Christmas season something? Sorry it took a 
    little time to get back with answers to your questions:
    
    Dave, I cut "You Made Me So Very Happy" w/Brenda Holloway (Ernie 
    Freeman arrangement) for Motown; I constantly saw Brenda and her 
    sister Pat (singing on the background of "Feelin' Alright," hit we
    cut also w/Joe Cocker, Sunset Sound, summer of 1968, was a No. 1 
    chart record twice, in 2 movies right now), and I also saw Clydie 
    King all over the place during the 60s recording bonanza.
    
    I don't know about the Diana Ross purported jealousy, anything 
    could have happened back then. But I do know there was a lot more 
    jealousy surrounding Tammi Terrell (absolutely the finest female 
    singer we recorded Motown LA with in the 60s). The tragedy w/ 
    Tammi was undeniably terrible, that woman could sing. She was a 
    nice lady too.
    
    But of course Darlene Love, Fanita, Jeanne, Brenda, Pat, Clydie, 
    and all the rest of the studio singers; that's a huge array of 
    some fine talents. That's all I know as far as any "rumor" goes, 
    we never really saw much "dirt" in our business/studio work, we 
    were all there with our coffee to work -- and at any "party" 
    (sorry, this must come as a blow) we would have (I attended about 
    4-5 parties over the years, had 2 of my own), we'd usually sit 
    around and talk business as we all had to get up the next day 
    early --
    
    We were not the drug crowd at all, we had work to do. It was 
    sometimes a very dull life but the music and the great talents 
    made it sometimes fun and totally exciting. It was hard work, you 
    "play" your instrument, but it's hard physical work, you play much, 
    much harder and more intense (and invent more, it's an art) on 
    record dates than you ever do playing live.
    
    No, never any tension (just on the Disney scores, tough music), 
    just the opposite, you try to stay awake with coffee to be alert 
    and drugs were totally frowned upon in the 60s studios (came into 
    the 70s studios though', but NOT with our bunch). We could cut a 
    hit album in 6 hours.
    
    John, I do have my own CDs out (please see my website:
    http://www.carolkaye.com/books.htm),
    some jazz and funky stuff 
    
    like duets with Ray Brown, all good stuff, and I am back out 
    playing some nice jazz concerts now -- I am at the Jazz Bakery Dec. 
    29th and 30th (best jazz club in LA) with Ray Pizzi, jazz sax 
    legend and the fine Mitch Holder on guitar (studio and jazz player).
    
    I used to tour with Joe Pass a bit in the early 70s, and also with
    the great Hampton Hawes, around the time I was recording with 
    Cannonball Adderly, Joe Williams, Gene Ammons, etc. I was a jazz 
    guitar player in the 50s before studio work, worked a lot w/ Teddy 
    Edwards, Billy Higgins, Jack Sheldon, that bunch.
    
    The CDs reflect that plus all the kinds of playing I did in the 
    studios, I have excellent musicians on them. I also produced a 
    fine CD on Joe Pass in 1971. They're all listed there, as well as 
    the 25+ tutorials I wrote and produced, recorded, etc. I've taught
    music since 1949 but had to stop in the busy 60s. Resumed again in 
    1969, teaching some of the famous bassists like Dave Hungate, John
    Clayton etc.
    
    Doc, yes I played on Johnny Angel. Fanita (and your ears) would be 
    right I'd say. Don't know for sure, but that makes sense. Yes, 
    probably the Sally Stevens group, they were doing tons of dates 
    too but the singers like Jackie Ward, Ron, etc. were the 
    most-working crews of backup studio singers. I don't want you to 
    think I don't think the world of Cher, and I even stuck up for her
    singing on "Alfie" when Mel Torme and I got into a discussion about
    Cher's singing (she did a good job on that), Mel and I laugh about 
    that now. But god bless, he's not been well since his stroke -- we
    miss him. Wonderful man, huge genius.
    
    Cher was not the backup singer that the rest of them were, 
    probably in time she could have been (but she quickly became a 
    star, thanks to Sonny's production genius, yes, he was great in 
    the booth, couldn't pat his foot in time, but knew how to make hit
    records).
    
    Being a studio singer takes a very fine art of reading, blending 
    well, singing perfectly in tune, singing all kinds of styles "
    together", and lots more techniques, but as I understand it, she 
    did do some backup, just like Phil would have some guitarists (not
    regular studio guitarists) there for "fun" too -- that's how Mike 
    Post got started, could barely play guitar but now look where he's
    at.
    
    Hope this helps clarify.
    
    Best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
    
    
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    Subject:     CHER SARKISIAN
    Sent:        12/22/98 8:03 am
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, TXXXXXXXX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    In response to Cher being a session singer for Spector: A number 
    of years ago I read a book by two former aides of Sonny and Cher 
    who told the fascinating tale of a 27 year old Sonny Bono, hungry 
    to get into show biz, go-phering for Spector at the time. He would
    run errands, bring coffee and sandwiches to the production 
    engineers and crew and do anything he could to get a foot in 
    Spector's organization.
    
    Through his own native talents and the ability to soak up 
    everything around him and learn all the tricks of the production 
    trade, he went up in the organization. Spector used him as singer 
    on some of his tunes doing background vocals. One day Sonny 
    brought his then girlfriend, Cher Sarkisian, with him. Cher had an
    interesting quality to her voice and was the epitome of a diamond 
    in the rough. She was a young, free spirit who wanted to be a star. 
    Spector allowed her to do some hand claps on some of the 
    recordings, but in time Sonny had her audition for Spector and he 
    liked what he heard. Cher sang along with the voluminous "choir" 
    of Spector singers on "Lovin' Feelin", amongst others Spector 
    productions..
    
    Of course, the rest is history. Can anyone out there confirm the 
    bit about Cher singing on the magnificent Righteous Brothers' mega
    hit, "Lovin' Feelin'? 
    
    Claudia
    
    
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    Subject:     New girl group
    Sent:        12/22/98 9:18 am
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS, wXXXXXXXXt.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    I've been talking with John Giotto who has put together a new girl
    group. They're called It's My Party, and the three or four members 
    are all in their teens. They've recorded two singles including "
    Can't b/w I'd Much Rather Be With The Girls," and "That Boy John 
    b/w The Boy Next Door." An album is currently in the works. Check 
    out their web page by searching using the key words It's My Party.
    
    
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    Subject:     Sue Thompson's Coke jingles
    Sent:        12/22/98 11:32 am
    Received:    12/23/98 9:23 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docrXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com
    
    Sue Thompson's Coke jingles were a topic of my recnet interview 
    with her.
    
    I sent Sue a tape of her Coke commercials, since she had no copies
    herself.
    
    "The Coke commercials sound a little bit better to me now than 
    they did at the time. When I was first contacted, the Limeliters 
    and a lot of other artists were all going up to New York to do a 
    commercial. Then Coke would use whatever ones they liked the best.
    David Carrol, with whom I had recorded in Chicago years before, was
    in New York when my first Coke commercial came up. The hard part of
    the session came back to meter and my inability to sing right on 
    the beat. The guys in the band got irritated, and we had quite an 
    afternoon, playing the same part over and over while I tried to 
    get it just right. In those days, it was all live. The track was 
    not recorded first, then the vocal later. This was early '60s."
    
    Sue's early Coke commercials are great recordings, but they were 
    not tailored to her style, and are neither rock nor country.
    
    "Those first Coke commercials were fine. All I sang then was the 
    jingle. They were not doing the ones yet that fit the artist. 
    Later, they came back to me and wanted me to do new ones. I 
    thought, 'Boy, these people are really gluttons for punishment to 
    throw money at this gal again!'
    
    "They sent a man to the West Coast to see me. He contacted me and 
    said they wanted to do a commercial based on 'Paper Tiger,' with 
    the 'Paper Tiger' beat. I told them that the only person who I 
    would trust to do that was Joe Allison, who was with Liberty at 
    that time. This was considered unusual, because Joe was not a 
    musician, he was not a singer. but he knew what he heard in his 
    head as far as an artist was concerned. He had never produced me, 
    but I helped him with Jody Miller and we worked together when he 
    was producing Roy Clark. So I wanted him for that commercial.
    
    "When the time came to do it, Joe was out of town. So we ended up 
    with Hank Levine producing my commercial. Hank was an arranger who
    worked with Joe, but he was not Joe. So we did the session. Glen 
    Campbell played guitar on it, friends like Roger Miller stopped to
    say 'Hi' as they heard I was in town doing Coke commercials. It was
    odd because Hank and this other guy were so busy talking they left 
    the tape rolling all the time. It was foolishness, but that way 
    they could bill Coke more money. I think that the commercial could
    have been a work of art with Joe at the helm. It could have been a 
    lot better. Other artists had very clever tie-ins in their songs. 
    It left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was horrified at how it came
    out. And there was nothing I could do about it. Because the Coke 
    representative had already gone on to Australia to record the 
    Seekers Coke commercials.
    
    "Until you sent them to me, I had never heard my Coke commercials.
    They never sent them to me. Maybe they thought they were so rotten,
    too, that they didn't want to spread them around! I will say that 
    they do not sound as bad to me now as they did at the time."
    
    Doc
    
    
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