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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 11/29/98

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       Volume #0187                       November 29, 1998   
                  "New Orthophonic" High Fidelity             
    Subject:     Re: the Flirtations
    Sent:        11/28/98 11:42 pm
    Received:    11/29/98 8:18 am
    From:        CHARLES  THOMPSON,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Subject:     Re:  The Flirtations
    WILLIAM STOS ......writes:
    >Does anybody have info on this late 60s group? I've been
    >listening to their single "Nothing But A Heartache," over and
    >over again. Someone told me they might have a comp on Marginal
    >records, but that sounds too good to be true. Help! Anybody?
    A while back I picked up the Marginal Records release of 
    "Sounds Like The Flirtations" CD.  There are some very nice 
    recordings on this CD, (actually when I listen to it, there is 
    a very similar orchestration sound reminiscent of Freda Payne's 
    "Contact" record album of the early 70's (I think). In fact a 
    couple of the recordings could have just as well been sung and
    included by Ms. Payne on her "Contact" album and blended very 
    nicely, especially the Flirtations recording of SOUTH CAROLINA.  
    The truth is, although the recordings sound very good, and are 
    handled well by the '3 gals', there is nothing as dynamic and 
    memorable as NOTHING BUT A HEARTACHE. The notes on this recording 
    mention the Flirtations as having 2 hits (.....HEARTACHE) and 
    SOMEONE OUT THERE. Quit honesty, I don't recall the 2nd 'hit' at 
    all. There are 19 selections on the CD and all but 3 are written 
    by the team of Bickerton and Waddington (they wrote ......HEARTACHE)
    .......nice CD.
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    Subject:     Flirtations/It Wouldn't Have Made Any Difference
    Sent:        11/26/98 10:05 AM
    Received:    11/26/98 1:49 PM
    From:        IAC,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Will,
    The Flirtations have quite a history. Originally a four-piece 
    girl-group called the Gypsies - three sisters Betty, Shirley & 
    Earnestine Pearce plus Lestine Johnson (later replaced by Viola 
    Billups) - Formed in '62, they had a couple of releases for Old 
    Town - you may know "Jerk It". Betty had also left by '65, around 
    the same time they became the Flirtations and switched to Josie 
    ("Change My Darkness Into Light") There was also a release on 
    Festival ("Stronger Than Her Love"), not sure of the date. Came to
    the UK in '67, signed to Decca subsidiary Deram, where they cut 
    several good singles, including "Nothing But A Heartache", and a 
    couple of albums. Got plenty of TV exposure, but never quite made 
    the big time. In the early 70s, still in the UK, they had a few 
    45s for Polydor - one was a nice re-work of Marvin Gaye's "Little 
    Darling", and also "Why Didn't I Think Of That" on Mojo (same song
    as Brenda & the Tabulations). Viola went solo, first recording a 
    one-off single as Vi, then she adopted the name Pearly Gates on 
    several labels, including RCA, Bronze and Polydor, where she cut a
    great tongue-in-cheek girl-group death disc called "Johnny & the 
    Juke Box" on Polydor (to all Spectropop fans - find it, it's 
    great!!). She also did some hi-nrg stuff, as did the remaining 
    Flirtations ("Dirty Work"), having replaced Vi. Both were still 
    recording into the 80s. Very likely that the Marginal comp does 
    exist, although I haven't yet seen it - after all, they have also 
    done 60s compilations on the Caravelles, Madeline Bell, and Kiki 
    Finally, has anybody mentioned the great version of "It Wouldn't 
    Have Made Any Difference" by Manhattan Transfer on their "Coming 
    Out" album? Janis Siegal on lead (an ex-Red Bird gal! Was in the 
    Young Generation) - highly recommended!
    Ian Chapman
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    Subject:     it wouldn't have made any difference
    Sent:        11/26/98 7:29 AM
    Received:    11/26/98 1:49 PM
    From:        Jack Madani,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >> Hi,  I have heard a version of Todd Rundgren "It wouldn't have 
    >> made any Difference" on my oldies station, and have been 
    >> wondering who is playing it, it is done at a faster speed, but 
    >> it is obviously not Todd. The sound is early to mid 70's. Any 
    >> help would be greatly appreciated.
    >Marie, I believe you are in Montreal, right ? OK so you must have 
    >heard Tom Middleton's version of "Difference".
    I thought it might be of interest to note that the Manhattan 
    Transfer also did a very nice cover (with a female lead) of this 
    song, on I think it was their second album called "Comin' Out" or 
    something like that.
    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Sad notes
    Sent:        11/28/98 3:04 pm
    Received:    11/28/98 9:21 pm
    From:        Alan Warner,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    We lost two more important music figures in the last
    couple of weeks...
    DON JULIAN, who led the Meadlowlarks with that blissful
    "Heaven And Paradise" on Dootone in 1955 passed away on
    November 6th.  He continued o to be an important west coast
    R&B/doo-wop pioneer, and hit the best-sellers in 1965 with his 
    self-composed THE LARK, credited this time to The Larks, on 
    the Money label. 
    The funeral was held last week for HAL DAVIS who, along
    with Marc Gordon opened and ran Motown's Los Angeles office 
    in 1963.  As a songwriter, he'll be particularly remembered
    for the Jackson 5 hits, I'LL BE THERE and DANCING MACHINE.
    As a producer, Hal worked on both of the above Jackson 45's
    and also Diana Ross's milestone smash LOVE HANGOVER.
    The latter song, written by Pam Sawyer and Marilyn McLeod,
    was sampled on the current smash hit, THE FIRST NIGHT by
    Re: Paul Urbahns' comment on Little Eva, I'm very surprised
    because I was told that she sang both LET'S TURKEY TROT and
    MOTION during her set on a concert in Eastborne, England, just
    the other Saturday, 11/21.
    Incidentally, that particular show was the final nite in a British
    tour which played to SRO audiences and starred Bobby Vee,
    Brian Hyland, Johnny Preston and Chris Montez plus, of course,
    Ms.Boyd herself.  
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    Subject:     that's me!
    Sent:        11/26/98 8:07 AM
    Received:    11/26/98 10:52 AM
    From:        Barbara Alston, BARBXXXXXXXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Jimmy,
    I've emailed you my fax number and address if you wish to mail 
    that data and thanks loads. I will speak with you again about them
    as soon as I receive them. If they are legible enough to go in the 
    book, you will be rewarded accordingly. Thanks again.
    Hi Bob,
    Yes, that's me! Very short stay with the Terri Nelson group, but 
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    Subject:     Twice as Much
    Sent:        11/27/98 5:15 pm
    Received:    11/28/98 8:36 am
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I was fortunate to receive from a good friend a copy of
    the Twice as Much CD, which contains both of this UK duo's
    full-length albums "Own Up" (1966) and "That's All" (1967).
    Both albums are typical Andrew Loog Oldham productions and have 
    that unmistakable sound of UK recordings from those evolutionary 
    years. The productions and arrangements have the obligatory 
    Beatles references, but Oldham's sound usually aspires to West 
    Coast producers such as Spector/B. Wilson/Nitzsche/Adler. Very 
    folky, very arty; certain Stones songs on Flowers, much of 
    Between the Buttons and a few tracks on Metamorphosis have this 
    same feel.
    Anyway, great use of harpsichord, and Oldham's "borrowing" of 
    contemporary production ideas from that absolutely magical 
    time between the spring of 1966 and fall of 1967 make this a 
    great period collection, obscure as the recordings may be and 
    perhaps flawed by Oldham's typically loose rhythm tracks.
    This is very West Coast inspired, so fans of Nitzsche and Botkin, 
    Jr. will like the arrangements. Of particular note to Spector fans 
    is a cover of the Ronettes "Is This What I Get For Lovin' You Baby."
    More information on Oldham/Immediate recordings please post.
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    Subject:     Marginal Records
    Sent:        11/26/98 8:28 pm
    Received:    11/27/98 6:50 am
    From:        Tyler Kieron,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I understand that Marginal is shortly to cease existing....
    So if there's anything you're after (and there's quite a bit I 
    want), its probably a good idea to get it soon!
    All the best, Kieron
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    Subject:     Question Mark & the Mysterians
    Sent:        11/27/98 2:09 am
    Received:    11/27/98 6:50 am
    From:        Glenn Sadin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Big L sez...
    >It was a promo for the new Drew Barrymore movie. But that song... 
    >THAT'S a trivia question even for someone who grew up on punk 
    >bands and mid 60s Cleveland radio!
    >It is, of course, "Can't Get Enough Of You, Baby" by ? and the 
    >Mysterians, which was the followup to "I Need Somebody." It 
    >received very little airplay anywhere.
    >The idea of using such an obscure song in a movie in 1998 makes no
    >sense to me at all. Why would they do such a thing?
    Two possible reasons: That song was a pretty big hit in the '80s 
    by a spinoff band from the Specials (was it Fun Boy 3?). Also, 
    Question Mark & the Mysterians have been pretty active lately. 
    They've toured the US & Europe several times (with, I believe, the
    original lineup!) in past year or so, and they've just released a 
    new single on Norton Records, which is quite true to their 1966 
    sound with the Vox organ and all. I saw them perform here in San 
    Francisco earlier this year and they were brilliant - they place 
    was really stompin'! The only bummer was the organist was playing 
    one of those cheesy nowadays plastic synth abominations instead of
    a real Vox organ, but, hey, those old Voxes are kinda pricey these 
    days and not too reliable.
    BTW, you grew up in Cleveland in the '60s? If you tell me you saw 
    the Choir perform in person, I'll flip!!
    Guitarist, vocalist and songwriter for THE BERKELEY SQUIRES:
    Read about JAPANESE POP MUSIC from the 1950s thru the 1990s:
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    Subject:     Re: "Can't Get Enough of You Baby"
    Sent:        11/27/98 2:01 pm
    Received:    11/28/98 8:36 am
    From:        Billy G. Spradlin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I first heard "Can't Get Enough of You Baby" On the 4 Seasons 
    "Working My Way Back To You" album. Its a great song, written by 
    Linzer and Randell (who wrote "Workin") but I don't know if the 
    Seasons recorded the first version of this song or if another 60's
    group did.
    If their's was the original version of that song then they "threw 
    away" a hit, the Seasons had so many great songs on thier albums 
    and B-sides (example: Pity) that could have been A-Sides.
    This song was also covered by a UK group called The Colour Field 
    in 1985 and it was a popular "New Wave" radio hit. In fact I think
    Smashmouth's version is based on this cover.
    Billy G.
    Billy G. Spradlin
    29 Rim Road
    Kilgore, Texas 75662
    ICQ: 15036049
    Email: &
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    Subject:     Can't Get Enough Of You Baby
    Sent:        11/26/98 9:41 AM
    Received:    11/26/98 10:52 AM
    From:        Alicia Martuge,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I heard ? and the Mysterians version of the song on WHAS-AM a 
    Louisville Ky. station I recieve here in Brooklyn! And when I saw 
    them perform in Central Park July 4, they mentioned it being 
    covered in the movie "Can't Hardly Wait". That's the video where 
    Smash Mouth does the song. Anyway ? says "more power to you (them)" 
    and I couldn't agree more. I'd cover it myself! 
    P.S. The only reason I went to see ? and the Mysterians was because
    they knocked the Four Tops "reach Out I'll Be There" off the #1 
    spot, and the Tops were never #1 again!
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