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Spectropop V#0020

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 11/22/97

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            Volume #0020                                11/24/97
                The Teenager Records Made For The Hit Parade   
    Subject:     a technical note
    Sent:        11/21/97 4:14 PM
    Received:    11/22/97 1:06 AM
    From:        Jack Madani,
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    spectropop,,Internet writes:
    >those are 1996 electrons moving through 1996 wires, 
    >producing 1996 sound waves travelling in a 1996 echo chamber or digital 
    >effects processor, being recorded with 1996 microphones onto a 1996 
    >digital tape.
    Actually, those electrons date from the creation of the universe, when
    *everything* was in mono.
    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Alive And Well In The Southeast
    Sent:        11/22/97 12:58 AM
    Received:    11/22/97 3:03 AM
    From:        Richard Globman,
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    The sound of the sixties is very prevalent in the Virginia-NC-SC area... 
    and it's all due to the phenomenum called "beach music" or "shag music". 
    Back in the 50's, the southern stations wouldn't play the black R&B songs 
    on the radio but the southern white college kids, especially the ones who 
    attended northern universities or southern schools with large amounts of 
    northern students, such as Vanderbilt or the University of Virginia, were 
    becoming aware of such groups and arists as Joe Turner, Ruth Brown, Ivory 
    Joe Hunter, The Crows, The Five Satins, etc.
    Now many of these kids hung out at Virginia and Myrtle Beach during the 
    summer and the club and pavilion owners began to cater to their musical 
    tastes by loading up their jukeboxes with R&B numbers.  The kids even 
    made up their own dance...called The Shag...which is sort of a sexy, 
    cleaned up version of the jitterbug...and practiced their dancing at the 
    various beach clubs.
    Without going into a long-winded essay on beach music and The Shag, it is 
    now more popular than ever before.  There are hundreds of shag clubs, now 
    stetching as far as California and tons of deejays who play nothing but 
    that kind of music.  Jackie Wilson, Barbara Lewis, LaVerne Baker, all the 
    Motown artists, The Clovers, Drifters, etc. are widely played at parties 
    and there are a ton of big-money shag contests everywhere.
    In April and September there is a huge convention at North Myrtle Beach 
    (which used to be called Ocean Drive, or just O.D. in the old days).  The 
    convention is called S.O.S. (Society of Stranders), lasts for 10 days, 
    and is attended by 10,000-15,000 people who do nothing but party and 
    dance for the week.
    During the 60's and 70's, a fair number of bands developed throughout the 
    southeast who specialize in beach music...The Catalinas, Embers, 
    Rhondels, Entertainers, Swinging Medallions, and a few more.  Some even 
    had a few national hits.
    For those who want to get a feel for what goes on down here in the 
    boondocks, you might want to check out  They have a lot
    of good stuff plus a current Top 
    40 of what the deejays are playing these days.
    There is also a record company located in SC called Ripete Records...I 
    think they are also on the web...not sure.  Try
    see if anything happens.
    Also, you might want to go down to your local video store and rent the 
    movie "Shag" which was made a few years ago.  The movie itself is fairly 
    forgettable but some of the shag-dancing scenes are not bad.
    Finally...and then I'll shut up...I promise...if you get that cable TV 
    station that shows country music stuff, you'll probably see the music 
    video of the country music group Alabama and their song "Shagging On The 
    That is all.  You may all now go back to sleep.
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    Subject:     Re: Spector Soundalikes
    Sent:        11/21/97 3:40 PM
    Received:    11/22/97 1:06 AM
    From:        Chuck Limmer, CLimXXX@XXXXXXm
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    In a message dated 97-11-20, David Marsteller noted:
    <<Before we leave the subject of recordings that try to recapture the  
    Spector sound, I thought I'd mention Roy Wood. A number of his 
    Wizzard-era recordings seem to be aiming for a 'wall of sound'. >>
    Exhibit A would be the transcendent "This Is The Story of My Love 
    (Baby)," found on the Wizzard LP _Introducing Eddy & The Falcons_  from 
    1974.  Imagine, if you will, Frankie Valli and the 4 Seasons overdubbing 
    vocals on an unfinished Ronettes track. Flat-out wonderful.
    Chuck Limmer
    n.p. "Lonely Hobo Lullabye," Hollies, _Another Night_    
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    Subject:     stereo vs. mono:  which came first
    Sent:        11/21/97 4:18 PM
    Received:    11/22/97 1:06 AM
    From:        Jack Madani,
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    spectropop,,Internet writes:
    >at any rate, i don't think anyone involved with the box set ever wanted 
    >the new stereo mix to be the "definitive" mix - after all, that's why 
    >they included a remastered version of the MONO mix as a "bonus."  the 
    >stereo mix was just an attempt to give listeners an alternate way to 
    >listen to the album.
    But it's like Pandora's box; now that an legitimate stereo mix does 
    exist, it will eventually be the one that people think of as the 
    "official" version.  It may take a while, but eventually there will be a 
    single disc stereo release, and the mono "the way Brian intended it" will 
    take a back seat.  I was utterly shocked to learn that Sgt. Pepper even 
    *came* in mono, much less that the mono one was the one that Paul and 
    John worked on.  So if it can happen to the hallowed Sgt. P....
    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Soul and Inspiration
    Sent:        11/23/97 2:48 AM
    Received:    11/23/97 3:28 AM
    From:        Brent Kubasta,
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    >>"Soul and Inspiration" (produced by Bill Medley shortly 
    >>after he and  singer Bobby Hatfield split from Spector's 
    >>Philles label for Verve in  early 1966). 
    >What a settlement agreement THAT was! I always thought Soul and 
    >Inspiration was such an ironic title for their single attempt 
    >to cash in on the Spector sound. 
    >"You're my soul and my highest inspiration
    > You're all I've got to get me by
    > You're my soul and my highest inspiration
    > Without you (Phillip) what good am I?"
    >>Anybody have any other suggestions?
    i can't remember where i read this, but reportedly "soul and inspiration" 
    had been the song selected to follow up "you've lost that lovin' 
    feelin'". if i remember the account correctly, spector even began cutting 
    tracks; but for reasons unknown the song and sessions were dropped, and 
    work proceeded on "just once in my life" instead.
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    Subject:     You Baby + You Baby = Me Baby
    Sent:        11/22/97 2:21 PM
    Received:    11/22/97 4:39 PM
    From:        Darian Sahanaja ,
    To:          spectropop,
    Jeffrey Glenn wrote:
    >the "uh" at the end of each chorus in the fade is a high point in the
    >Ronettes recorded legacy.
    . . .as opposed to a high point in my libido.
    LePageWeb wrote:
    >these are among my favorite GG comps ever!!! I had no idea you were
    >>involved. You rule! Where's your credit? (Thanks a lot, Chu!)
    I met Chu right as Vol. 1 came out. At the time he was very interested in 
    releasing a X-mas album I produced for a girlfriend for his M&M label. We 
    went on a girl-group record bonanza. I'd lend him a stack to bring to 
    Japan (most of which ended up on subsequent volumes) and he'd bring me 
    great 60's Japanese stuff. . .it was a beautiful thing while it lasted. I 
    think he's got me credited from Vol.2 onward. . .but sadly, X-mas was 
    over and our little record never did come out. . .boo-hoo.
    Oh, by the way  Linda Scott's "You Baby" may sound more suitable for the 
    ol'45 plug-side,  but I would NOT say that it's the better version. The 
    background vocals on Spector's DEFINE the wall of sound itself !
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