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Spectropop V#0172

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 10/23/98

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       Volume #0172                         October 23, 1998   
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    Subject:     april young
    Sent:        10/22/98 10:44 am
    Received:    10/23/98 12:06 am
    From:        john rausch,   XX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    jimmy wrote:
    
    >For all you newbies: for a great taste of the Girl-Group genre, 
    >have a listen to April Young's "To Be Loved By You." It will make 
    >you SMILE, especially when she growls "I'm a lucky girl" and 
    >squeals "ooooooh" just before a refrain... ooo-wee indeed!
    
    ...what a great song, also I like her other one "gonna make him my
    baby", which is also included in the "touch the wall of sound" cd 
    set. 
    
    ...and to david marsteller:
    
    the wall of sound set that you mentioned being on clearance is a 
    reissued 2 disc set,the original release was on 3 discs from japan.
    That is the set i have but i`m not sure if the newer set was 
    condensed track wise to fit on 2 discs, the original 3 disc set 
    has a total of 60 cuts. great collection by the way :-) most of 
    the songs were transferred directly from the records to cd, there 
    are some stereo but mostly mono . "cause i love him" by alder ray 
    is in stereo and sounds great, but thanks to a tape from mark 
    landwehr, i got to hear the mono mix which has more umph....maybe 
    more "compression?"
    jonr
    
    Presenting the Fabulous 
    Ronet  XXp://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Help me Baldy
    Sent:        10/22/98 8:12 am
    Received:    10/23/98 12:06 am
    From:        Marc Wielage,  XXctrax.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    Ron Bierma <LRO  XXcom> asked on the Spectropop List:
    
    ><< some kind of analogue harmoniser designed in the 60s (which is
    >effectively what the system you describe is; a piece of equipment
    >which changes the pitch of music, but not its duration - or vice
    >versa).>>
    >
    >was this the trick(?) used in the Beach Boys "She's Going Bald" in
    >the Sha-na na na part where the voices get higher, but the beat
    >stays the same? I always assumed the boys timed it in such a way
    >to speed up the tape, but slow down their tempo as they sang.
    >anyone know?                               RB
    >----------------snip----------------<
    
    
    As far as I know, there was no such thing as an "analog harmonizer."
    The first harmonizer I know of was Eventide's original box from
    about 1970 or thereabouts, which is right around the time the first
    digital delays came out. In 1967, the year "She's Going Bald" came 
    out on SMILEY SMILE, no such devices existed; I'm fairly certain 
    they just did it the hard way, varispeeding a tape machine and 
    just changing their own voices as required to match the tape. With
    practice, you can do it, but it's not easy.
    
    Now, there were analog delays, pitch-shifters, and other devices, 
    but they were all tape-based and very crude (like the "ADT" 
    double-tracking tape machine built by EMI engineers in the mid-
    1960s to placate John Lennon).
    
    Also, as a side-note to Doc Rock elsewhere, as far as I know, the 
    only time-compression devices available in the 1960s were 
    variable-speed turntables and tape machines. I don't know of any 
    that "sampled" pieces of signals and could pitch-shift a song 
    without also changing the playing time, and in fact, I strongly 
    doubt it was possible. The Top 40 station in Tampa where I grew up
    sped-up many of the songs they played in the early 1970s, but they 
    just did it with vari-speed QRK turntables. It was only much later
    that the ability to time-compress without a change in pitch (with 
    digital Eventide and Lexicon processors) was possible; the 
    opposite was also done a lot in the late 1970s/early 1980s, used 
    by groups like ELO and artists like Michael Jackson.
    
    
    --MFW
    
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    Subject:     She's Going Bald
    Sent:        10/23/98 3:15 am
    Received:    10/23/98 12:06 am
    From:        Jamie LePage, le_page  XXities.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    Ron wrote:
    
    >>a piece of equipment which changes the pitch of music, but not 
    >>its duration - or vice versa).
    >>
    >was this...used in..."She's Going Bald"? I always assumed the 
    >boys timed it in such a way to speed up the tape...
    
    Hi Ron,
    
    I am unaware of any equipment in the 60's that could compress or 
    stretch time, but I can offer an opinion on the Smiley Smile 
    question.
    
    I don't think they sped up the vocal tape, I think it was the 
    other way around. As the vocals were being recorded, the engineer 
    slowed down the multi-track tape little by little with a 
    variable speed oscillator. The vocalists were hearing the rhythm 
    track slowing down little by little, so they were able to keep 
    their singing in time with the retarding rhythm. When the multi 
    was played back at normal speed, the rhythm sounded relatively 
    consistent and the singing in time, but the voices got progressively 
    higher.
    
    ...either that or the effect was achieved through the ingestion of 
    mind altering pharmaceuticals that made _everybody_ progressively 
    higher.
    
    Probably both. ;-)
    
    --
    Jamie "Teleprompting on PSML, Brian Lite on Spectropop!" LePage
    le_page  XXities.com
    RodeoDrive/5030
    
    
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    Subject: simon & garfunkel, etc.
    Sent: 10/22/98 1:23 pm
    Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
    From: Frank Youngwerth, F  XXcom
    To: Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    
    <<the story i'd read (as related by hal blaine) was that they 
    recorded the snare for "the boxer" in the rather echo-y hallway. >>
    
    ...and (if I remember right) at one point an elevator opens and an
    unsuspecting janitor, attending to his late-night cleaning rounds, 
    looks out and gives Hal a "What the hell's going on here?" look.
    Also, I think part of the opening percussion on the Beach Boys' 
    "Caroline No" is Blaine hitting the bottom of a large plastic jar 
    directly over a toilet bowl.
    
    btw, count me another big fan of Danny Hutton's "Roses and 
    Rainbows;" as for April Young, I love her "Gonna Make Him My Baby"
    
    --as long as I'm rambling here, thanks Barbara Alston for relating 
    your memories; I'm in awe of the people who made these wonderful 
    records.
    
    
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    Subject:     Babs Alston, the Writer
    Sent:        10/22/98 7:43 am
    Received:    10/23/98 12:06 am
    From:        Tom Simon, ts  XXcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    
    Babs,
    
    You mentioned something about you and Fatima writing a book 
    together about your experiences with the Crystals. I have read 
    what you are putting up on this list and it seems to me that in 
    addition to being the terrific singer that you are, you also have 
    some writing ability.
    
    If you ever do get such a book written and published, I bet it 
    will be a very good one. I hope that you would tell everything 
    just as it happened (and I am sure that that is how you would do 
    it). I would be one of the first in line to get your book and read
    it.
    
    Tom Simon
    
    
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    Subject: Twist Uptown
    Sent: 10/22/98 11:22 am
    Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
    From: john rausch,   XX.net
    To: Spectropop List, spectr  XXities.com
    
    >How about that pink ABKCO sleeve design there? What's 
    >THAT about?!?
    >
    >...and to think, they could have used the photo from the 
    >Twist Uptown LP. It's probably the greatest GG album jacket 
    >ever.
    
    hi jamie,
    
    I agree about the artwork on the Crystals ABKCO CD; the Twist 
    Uptown cover really is a classic. Anyone interested in seeing this 
    classic lp cover can check it out at:
    
    http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/twist_uptown.JPG
    
    
    I have been reworking my Phil Spector site and one of the first 
    things I have started is on the new Crystals page and will be using 
    the cover artwork from the lp.
    
    
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