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Spectropop V#0160

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 10/03/98

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       Volume #0160                      October 5, 1998   
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     Crisp, clear, sparkling - Perfect even at high volume 
    
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     Darlene & R&R Hall of Fame
    Sent:        10/03/98 6:27 am
    Received:    10/03/98 10:08 am
    From:        David Feldman, feldXXXX@XXXderables.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    >Just heard that Darlene Love has been nominated for induction into
    >the RnR Hall of Fame...WELL, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!
    
    Mark,
    
    Darlene mentioned this at her NYC Barnes & Noble appearance, with 
    obvious pride and no bitterness.
    Dave Feldman
    
    CD of the Week:  Teatro (Willie Nelson)
    Liver of the Week:  Chopped
    Annoyance of the Month:  Humidity (NOT the heat)
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
      "http://www.imponderables.com"
    
    
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    Subject:     Darlene and Dusty
    Sent:        10/03/98 1:41 am
    Received:    10/03/98 10:08 am
    From:        James Cassidy, casswriXXXX@XXXlink.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Mark Landwehr wrote about Darlene Love's well-deserved nomination 
    for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Another fabulous thrush 
    nominated this year is Dusty Springfield, who certainly deserves 
    inclusion.
    
    Who else but Dusty could do such an outstanding job in such a wide
    variety of musical genres -- from Spector rock ("Stay Awhile") to 
    Burt B. sophistication ("Look of Love") to Euro/cabaret pop ("You 
    Don't Have to Say You Love Me") to Memphis soul ("Son of a 
    Preacher Man") to Philly soul ("Brand New Me," "Silly, Silly Fool")
    to Randy Newman to the Pet Shop Boys?
    
    Especially considering her recent health problems, the R&RHOF 
    would do well to give this fine singer the recognition she merits.
    
    Jim Cassidy
    
    P.S.  This is my first post.  Be gentle with me.
    
    
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    Subject:     free design sight unseen
    Sent:        10/04/98 12:41 am
    Received:    10/04/98 11:17 am
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Just wanted to mention that I've ordered the Free Design comp disc
    without having had a chance to hear it. But David Bash thought it 
    was good, so that's good enough for me. I'll report when I get it.
    
    taking on faith the recommendations of people whose tastes you 
    trust rules!
    
    er, you get my meaning, I hope....
    
    jack
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Musings for All Readers...
    Sent:        10/04/98 3:51 am
    Received:    10/04/98 11:17 am
    From:        Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    Glad to hear Darlene has finally been inducted into the Hall of 
    Fame! God, the woman is almost 60 years old, and STILL HAS THAT 
    THUNDERSTORM VOICE!!!!! We love her.
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    For John Rausch: Fave Spector cover? I always liked the Beach Boys
    doing "I Can Hear Music..." But that's not really a "Spector" 
    original, is it? 
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    Merry Clayton talk... she's fabulous, and I have the "LOP" cast 
    album too, and I didn't think I was crazy... that was definitely 
    Darlene up there yelling her head off. Maybe Merry DID fill in 
    once in a while! That happens on Broadway a lot. remember when Eve
    Harrington filled in for Margo Channing in "All About Eve?" All 
    hell broke loose after that, and Eve ended up winning the Sarah 
    Siddons Award. But I digress.
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    Listening to the Crystals' "Da Doo Ron Ron," up close and personal
    with the headphones, I can hear what Darlene has always said: way 
    deep down inside, you can hear a "ghost" of her lead behind La La 
    Brooks. Hasd anyone ever listened that closely? Turn up the treble
    a little, and concentrate... there's Darlene!
    
    *************Have a great weekend, everybody! *************
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Spector Covers
    Sent:        10/05/98 9:50 am
    Received:    10/05/98 10:32 pm
    From:        Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    john rausch wrote:
    
    >...i was completely blown away by a version of the Ronettes 
    >"do i love you" done by Bill Deal and the Rhondells, wow, 100 
    >times better than the one done by Jay and the Americans. Just 
    >wondering if anyone else has a fave spector cover they would 
    >like to share?
    
    OK. You asked for it! :-)
    
    First of all, there are very few Spector covers that even come 
    close to his originals. The CD "I Can Hear Music" The Songs of 
    Greenwich and Barry has several modern Spector covers, and while 
    the CD itself is wonderful, the Spector covers are all rather 
    mediocre. The one Spector cover that in my mind exceeds the 
    original is I Can Hear Music by the Beach Boys, and as we all know
    that was merely co-written by Spector and his role on the Ronettes 
    version was as the executive producer. Carl Wilson's vocal is just
    fantastic, and the track is more like Spector than the Ronettes 
    version is. Jeff Barry did the Ronettes track and it is no
    surprise that it sounds more like the Dixie Cups than the Ronettes.
    It is a shame that I Can Hear Music by the Ronettes is now a 
    very hard to find recording. It was on the PSI Volume 4 LP, but as
    far as I know it isn't currently available anywhere legitimately. 
    It is on the Marginal "Ultimate Ronettes" CD, though. Other 
    Spector covers by the Beach Boys (Be My Baby and You've Lost That 
    Lovin Feeling) are absolutely pathetic. So is On Broadway for that
    matter. All IMHO, of course!
    
    If you can call Twist & Shout by the Isleys and later the Beatles 
    "Spector covers," then without a doubt the covers are way, way 
    superior to the original Top Notes version. What the heck was 
    Phillip thinking???? Anyway, you can't bat 1000 all the time; 
    Twist & Shout was a misconceived attempt and should be chalked up 
    to a learning experience. It was, after all, early days for Mr. 
    Spector.
    
    Jay & the Americans are hard for me to talk about, because 
    although I love their records and particularly the signature 
    Leiber/Stoller touches, Jay's voice grates on my ears. He makes 
    everything sound so damned MOR. His "cover" of Things are Changing
    is embarrassing (even though it uses the original track)! I would 
    love to be convinced otherwise, so anyone with a different opinion,
    please post!
    
    As to Bill Deal & the Rhondells, I think someone else on the list 
    is more qualified than I to talk about it, but I will say, what 
    the heck was that crappy version of You Baby by the Lovin' 
    Spoonful all about? What was the point? Album filler, I suppose, 
    but it is on all their greatest hits packages. Kinda makes you 
    wonder.
    
    Finally, speaking of wondering, which version of I Wonder do all 
    you Spectropoppers prefer? Crystals or Ronettes? Love to hear 
    your opinions!
    --
    le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com
    RodeoDrive/5030
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: new Bacharach/Costello album
    Sent:        10/05/98 6:50 am
    Received:    10/05/98 10:31 pm
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    dave prokopy writes:
    >the music, of course, is classic bacharach, right down to the 
    >flugal horns.
    
    So Dave, do those horns impart a flugue-like feel to the songs?
    
    jack "david leaf" madani
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Re: New Colony Six
    Sent:        10/03/98 6:50 am
    Received:    10/03/98 10:08 am
    From:        Big L, biXXXX@XXXtmail.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    >>>>Didn't the New Colony Six also have the pretty, 
    >>>>"I Will Always Think About You" in 1968?
    
    Personally, I have always viewed songs like this as an offshoot of
    the Jimmy Webb Sound, which first hit radio in 1966 with Johnny 
    Rivers' "Poor Side Of Town." I don't see Sgt. Peppers as having 
    much to do with the sound of Top 40 radio. What DID happen was a 
    large, gradual splintering of the genre. Atlantic soul, Philly 
    soul, soft adult rock records, bubblegum. Showbizzy groups like 
    the Fifth Dimension. Most of the hard rock went to FM, with the so
    called underground stations.
    
    Actually, airplay of the Monkees album cuts probably had more 
    impact on AM Top 40 radio than St. Pepper did.
    
    ==
    Big L                   Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
    biXXXX@XXXtmail.com    http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816
    
    
    
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    Subject:     Red Bird
    Sent:        10/05/98 9:18 pm
    Received:    10/05/98 10:31 pm
    From:        Kieron Tyler, kierXXXX@XXX.org.uk
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    I've got a European 4CD Red Bird set on Charly. Must have come out
    about 3 or so years ago. Sound is good although the liners appear 
    to be some reprinted magazine articles which don't necessarily 
    address the contents of the discs themselves...
    
    I just got a tape of 'Hey You Lolita' by The Silence which 
    purports to have been issued on Red Bird, I'd guess after Lieber 
    and Stoller sold out to George Goldner. Has anyone ever heard of 
    this? Did it actually come out on Red Bird? It's good in a 
    Strangeloves type way.
    
    All the best, Kieron.
    
    
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    Subject:     Red Bird Set
    Sent:        10/03/98 4:15 am
    Received:    10/03/98 10:08 am
    From:        David Marsteller, davebXXXX@XXXflin.org
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    On Sat, 03 Oct 1998, Spectropop List wrote:
    
    > Doc wrote:
    > 
    >>I've heard tell of a European two-CD, 60-track set of Red 
    >>Bird/Blue Cat material, label unknown.
    > 
    I'm not sure about a 2 CD set, but I have a 4 CD set that Charly 
    put out a number of years ago. It's got 90-something tracks...
    Dave
    
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    Subject:     The Hook
    Sent:        10/04/98 9:10 pm
    Received:    10/05/98 7:34 am
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    A few weeks back I was watching a show, I think it was one of 
    those Behind The Music things on VH-1, about Sonny Bono. The parts
    about his getting into the music scene in general and working with 
    Spector in particular were very interesting. But by far, the part 
    that transfixed me instantly was when Sonny was talking about 
    listening to the mixdown of I Got You Babe for the first time, and
    he said something like, "...it was great, everything worked on it 
    just the way I wanted to, I mean the oboe hook worked just the way
    it was supposed to...."
    
    Which suddenly drove home for me the fact that Sonny knew EXACTLY 
    what he was doing with that oboe hook on the choruses.
    
    Which led me to start thinking about the whole phenomenon of 
    "hooks," and how impossible it is to define or constrain what a 
    successful hook can be. Long ago I saw Mac Davis talking about how
    a record exec told him that his songs didn't have any hooks, you 
    gotta have a song with a hook, and Mac wasn't sure what he meant 
    but he went away and then came back with a new song, Baby Baby 
    Don't Get Hooked On Me....
    
    Seems like ANYthing can end up being a hook, can be something in 
    the instrumentation or in the lyrics or in the backing vocals, but
    I did get to wondering, just how often is the hook a premeditated 
    thing? Is it always, or mostly, or half the time, or what?
    
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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