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Spectropop V#0153

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 09/24/98

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       Volume #0153                        September 25, 1998   
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    Perfectly safe for playing normal 45 rpm microgroove records
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     Chico & RDMH
    Sent:        09/24/98 2:52 am
    Received:    09/24/98 9:14 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr, mslXXXX@XXXbs.com
    To:          Spectropop List, SpectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    > So is Chico's Girl going to show up on any compilation soon?
    
    Chico's Girl is on a 1985 compilation called "Dream Babies" on 
    EMI-America. This great LP includes Merry Clayton ("Usher Boy"),
    Alder Ray (a re-mix of "Cause I Love Him"), the unreleased "All 
    Grown Up" version by the Exciters, the Honeys, 02 unreleased 
    Crystals songs (post-Phil), and other juicy tunes. Haven't seen 
    this LP on CD...The Chico's Girl single is on Capitol 5675.
    
    > Finally, other RDMH versions that immediately come to mind:
    > Nilsson (good), Easybeats (decent), Eric Burdon and the Animals
    > (obnoxious), Celine Dion (pathetic). Any others? Marc?
    
    Supremes & Four Tops (pretty good), Deep Purple (fairly good), and
    a VERY strange version recorded in 1971 by Ike Turner on UA 50865...
    He never once sings a single WORD of the song - Merely says "Nah,
    nah, na-na, nahhh, na-na..." etc., throughout the whole song!!!! 
    What a hoot!!
    
    Celine doing RDMH??? What's next, Barbara Streisand doing "Then He
    Kissed Me"?
    
    It's obvious that much of Spector's income over the years has been
    provided from his writing credits...For example, just think of the 
    number of artists who have recorded "To Know Him Is To Love Him", 
    not to mention the mob that's done "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin"
    ...That song HAS to be 2nd only to "Yesterday" as the most-recorded 
    song in history!! Phil's in his mansion right now saying "cha-
    ching!!".
    
    Mark Landwehr (Philles Phanatic)
    http://www.toltbbs.com/~msland/Spector/
    
    
    
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    Subject:     I can mash potato/I can do the twist
    Sent:        09/24/98 2:26 am
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        Alan Warner, wizXXXX@XXXtcom.com
    To:          Spectropop List, SpectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Hello Jack Madani:
    
    I used CHICO'S GIRL by The Girls on an EMI-Capitol
    compilation called "Dream Babies" back in '85...
    in fact, it was so long ago that it only came out on vinyl!
    And yes, Bernadette Peters DID cover that song.
    
    And here's one from my "hey, we all make mistakes, but
    why do folks researching books do such poor research?"
    file...There's a recently-published tome called "Music Hound
    Lounge: The Essential Album Guide To Martini Music &
    Easy Listening".  In its section on Ms. Peters, contributor
    Ken Burke states: "As a solo recording artist, Peters
    belatedly made her debut in 1980."  Not so, for 18 years-old
    Bernadette cut a single for United Artists in 1962: the songs
    were ACADEMY AWARD c/w CHARM BRACELET!
    
    And finally for Jamie:
    
    Others who released versions of RIVER DEEP MOUNTAIN 
    HIGH include Deep Purple, Neil Diamond, Annie Lennox,
    Eric Burdon & The Animals, The Flamin' Groovies plus the
    combination of The Supremes & The Four Tops.
    
    AW 
    
    
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    Subject:     Do I love you, my oh my...
    Sent:        09/24/98 6:51 am
    Received:    09/24/98 9:14 am
    From:        Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    In a message dated 9/23/98 11:11:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
    spectroXXXX@XXXties.com writes:
    
    >other RDMH versions that immediately come to mind: 
    >Nilsson (good), Easybeats (decent), Eric Burdon and the Animals 
    >(obnoxious), Celine Dion (pathetic). Any others?
    
    The British synth-pop duo Erasure cut a version as a cassette/CD 
    bonus track for their 1988 album, *The Innocents*. I think it also
    might have been a B- side; I know for certain it got plenty of top 
    40/club play at the time. I'm not a big fan of Erasure apart from 
    their first few singles, so I wasn't really impressed. Then again...
    
    ...{gulp}...
    
    ...I never was too big on the song to begin with. I read an 
    overview of Phil's work several years ago (can't remember the 
    source or the author), and "RDMH" was referred to as "the most 
    overrated 45 RPM record ever made". I sez to myself, "Wow! It 
    isn't just me, then."
    
    I'm not saying its awful (Tina's performance its definitely its 
    best attribute), but it's not one of my most favorite Spector cuts.
    Fair enough?
    Cheers,
    
    Jeff
    
    NP:  Robert Wyatt, *Rock Bottom*
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: River Deep, Mountain High
    Sent:        09/25/98 12:44 am
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        Kieron Tyler, kierXXXX@XXX.org.uk
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Another cover of RDMH=Flamin' Groovies, recorded at Gold Star. 
    It's ok, too much echo on it to submerge the sound of the band. 
    It's from sessions they did (1979/80 I think) with Mr Phil that 
    weren't released at the time. Their 1978 'Now' LP produced by Dave
    Edmunds has a much better wall of sound type feel....
    
    All the best, Kieron Tyler
    
    
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    Subject:     Re Ike & Tina's R&B hits as Philles B sides
    Sent:        09/24/98 11:43 am
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        R Teyes, RTeXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Remarkably, I&T earlier sides were hits in their own right: A Fool
    In Love, It's Gonna Work Out Fine, I Idolize You, etc. NOT Philles 
    productions, of course, but nicely produced R&B songs. I liked I&T
    even before Phil signed them (her)...You need to listen to their 
    Sue label songs to appreciate Tina's voice and Ike's guitar 
    playing...he was indeed excellent despite what happened in his 
    private life. It bothers me that fans immediately hate Ike because
    of Tina's story. Whether true or not, the man is talented...
    
    Robert the Ronette Hound
    
    
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    Subject:     River Deep
    Sent:        09/24/98 10:14 am
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    <<So was River Deep Mountain High any sort of hit for Mlle. Dion? 
    And is there any connection between her recording it and those 
    aborted Spector sessions?>>
    
    Celine Dion sang the Spector classic on the David Letterman show, 
    possibly on the suggestion of Dave's bandleader, Paul Shaffer. 
    Phil either caught this or caught wind of this, took it is a 
    compliment, and proceeded to offer to produce her. I recall 
    reading (in Mojo?) that when an interviewer asked Phil about none 
    of his tracks appearing on Dion's new album, he spat out some rude
    comments about the producers who did make the final cut. One of 
    these was Jim Steinman, who said (probably sincerely) it was an 
    honor to be insulted by Phil Spector.
    
    Aside: about 6 years ago, the record store I worked at was 
    celebrating its 60th anniversary at the Park West in Chicago. 
    Sony's label-donated talent was Celine Dion. Nobody at the party 
    seemed to be paying any attention to her performance. I was mostly
    curious whether or not she was lip-synching. After I determined 
    that indeed she was, I stopped paying attention too.
    
    Frank Youngwerth
    
    
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    Subject:     River Deep Montain High Pt.2
    Sent:        09/24/98 11:47 am
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        Alicia Martuge, ZablXXXX@XXX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    Thank you for your comments whoever you are! Delighted to be in 
    such enlighted company. Actually when it was released as a single 
    in 1985 from the Broadway show "Leader Of The Pack," I believe 
    Darlene Love sang on it before she made all those "Lethal Weapon" 
    flicks. My brother made the supreme sacrifice by plucking it from 
    his collection to give it to me for my birthday. Have not played 
    that version or Tina's too often. I'm just too enamored with the 
    Supremes/Four Tops version, although I hate Jean Terrell and I 
    LOVE Levi Stubbs.
    Alicia
    
    four  tops  girl
    
    
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    Subject:     River Deep Purple
    Sent:        09/24/98 8:50 pm
    Received:    09/25/98 12:23 am
    From:        Javed Jafri, javedjaXXXX@XXXt.ca
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    > Finally, other RDMH versions that immediately come to mind: 
    > Nilsson (good), Easybeats (decent), Eric Burdon and the Animals 
    > (obnoxious), Celine Dion (pathetic). Any others?
    
    Deep Purple followed up their cover versions of "Hush" and "
    Kentucky Woman" with a version of RDMH which made the charts in 
    early 1969. I Have not heard that version in years but from what I
    recall their arrangement followed the formula of the two earlier 
    covers. Pop songs given the proto-metal treatment. I think the 
    Deep Purple covers were more fun to listen to ( and less bombastic
    ) than the Vanilla Fudge remake of "You Keep Me Hanging On".
    
    As mentioned in a recent digest The Supremes & Four Tops also 
    released a version of RDMH in 1970.
    
    Javed
    
    
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    Subject:     Ferry/ Venus
    Sent:        09/24/98 2:41 am
    Received:    09/24/98 9:14 am
    From:        james fisher, JHFAXXXX@XXX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Amazing, Jack! I've never thought of it but now that you point it 
    out.....I hope your discovery doesn't lead Gerry down the path of 
    his old pal George Harrison and that "My Sweet Lord/ He's So Fine" 
    debacle! On a Beatles related thing...for everyone who remembers 
    their Eng.Lit 101...most of the words from Abbey Road's "Golden 
    Slumbers" are lifted out of Thomas Dekker's poem of the same name 
    but since Thomas died in the early 1600's he is probably not going
    to file suit. Is it a common practice/courtesy or a legal 
    requirement to put "Trad. Arr" or similar next to public domain 
    works when you clip freely from them then copyright the results 
    for yourself? I'm sure it goes on all the time (with good results)
    so please don't read this as an attack on the Beatles--it's not.
    (I only wish they would have swiped some of my high school 
    doggerel...)
    
    Unrelated.....any opinions on favorite version of "Walk away Renee"
    --Four Tops vs. Left Banke. Great song. One more thing...I caught 
    the end of the movie "Quiz Show" recently and over the credits was
    Bobby Darin doing a way slow ballad take of "Mack the Knife", I 
    thought it was a knockout--is it on any of his CDs? I know I could
    buy the soundtrack but I'd rather get an all Bobby album if 
    possible. Regards to all, Jim.
    
    
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    Subject:     like clockwork
    Sent:        09/23/98 6:44 pm
    Received:    09/24/98 12:20 am
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    There's nothing profound about this post, but I wanted to mention 
    a type of song that absolutely rivets me. These records are so 
    perfectly arranged and played, there's not a stray note or lick 
    that's out of place. To my ears, they're like JS Bach pocket 
    concertos for the kiddies, and they always get my shoulders to 
    shuckin'. I'm talking about records like:
    
    Sweet Talkin' Guy (Chiffons)
    Livin' Right Next Door To An Angel (Neil Sedaka)
    It's In His Kiss/The Shoop Shoop Song (Betty Everett)
    Navy Blue (Diane Renay)
    It Hurts To Be In Love (Gene Pitney)
    
    The counterpoints that arise from the arrangements of these 
    records just raise the short hairs on the back of my neck.
    
    Like I said, nothing profound about this post.
    
    By the way, with four Diane Renay songs on the "Growin' Up Too 
    Fast" anthology, is it still worth it to acquire Renay's album?
    
    jack
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Bacharach Rhino Box
    Sent:        09/24/98 3:34 am
    Received:    09/24/98 9:14 am
    From:        Matthew Kaplan, TweeXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    On the topic of the Bacharach Rhino Box, does anybody know how 
    different this will be from the four CD set that Bacharach Songs/
    Windswept Pacific put out a few years back?
    
    
    Matthew T. Kaplan
    
    
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