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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 09/23/98

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       Volume #0152                    September 24, 1998   
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    Subject:     iMusic - Four Tops Bulletin Board
    Sent:        09/22/98 11:25 am
    Received:    09/23/98 1:22 am
    From:        Alicia Martuge, ZablX .net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    four  tops  girl
    
    
    http://imusic.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?x=fourtops
    
    
    
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    Subject:     Chico's Girl
    Sent:        09/22/98 11:57 pm
    Received:    09/23/98 9:44 am
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadX 12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    So is Chico's Girl going to show up on any compilation soon?
    
    Also, I just had a memory flash. Was this song covered by 
    Bernadette Peters? I have two albums of hers from the late 
    seventies/early eighties, and the covers of both lp's are 
    portraits of Bernadette, done by Playboy illustrator Varga. (yowza
    ! talk about yer whipped cream and other delights!). Anyway, I 
    think there was a song called Chico's Girl on the first album. Was
    that it?
    
    Those were pretty good albums, btw. Half the songs were Broadway 
    type numbers, the other half were updates of the girlgroup sound, 
    albeit recorded in the very dry, multipoint source recording style
    that so contemporary then.
    
    jack
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
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    Subject:     Darlene Love in NYC
    Sent:        09/22/98 5:35 am
    Received:    09/22/98 7:49 am
    From:        David Feldman, feldX derables.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    Any Spectropoppers in the New York City area, I'm sure, will be 
    happy to learn that Darlene Love is having a booksigning at the 
    Union Square Barnes & Noble on 9/28 (a week from today, Monday), 
    and evidently she will sing, too. 7:30--8:30 P.M.
    
    Be there or be Loveless.
    Dave Feldman
    
    Song of the Week:  The Boy with the Arab Strap (Belle & Sebastian)
    Seed of the Week:  Mustard
    Annoyance of the Month:  Humidity
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
      "http://www.imponderables.com"
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Bacharach Box
    Sent:        09/23/98 1:04 pm
    Received:    09/23/98 6:59 pm
    From:        Marc Wielage, X trax.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    CC:          Dave Mirich, DmirX om
    
    Dave Mirich <DmirX om> asked on the Spectropop List:
    
    >When does the Rhino Box finally come out? In the meantime I've
    >been listening to the Bacharach tribute cd.
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    Yeah, I'm looking forward to that, too.  There's a lot of "never 
    released on CD" titles on that one, including such rarities as 
    Trini Lopez' excellent "Made in Paris."
    
    The new issue of the ICE Newsletter (snippets are at
    http://www.icemagazine.com/ice)
    says the boxed set will be out 
    
    sometime in November.
    
    You can also probably find out more at
    http://www.rhino.com elsewhere on the Net.
    
    
    --MFW
    
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    Subject:     Two number one groups on the same day Pt.1
    Sent:        09/23/98 5:37 am
    Received:    09/23/98 9:44 am
    From:        Alicia Martuge, ZablX .net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    August 21, 1997, two of my favorite groups, the Monkees and the 
    Four Tops, BOTH performed in NYC at the same time! Unfortunately I 
    could only see one, so I went with the Monkees. The Monkees are now
    a trio without Mike Nesmith, just as the Four Tops are now a trio 
    with the passing of Lawrence Payton. The Monkees hit "Last Train To
    Clarksville" was released Aug. 16, 1966. The Four Tops song, "Reach 
    Out I'll Be There" was issued on Aug. 18, 1966. Yet incredibly the 
    4 Tops song went to #1 first, probably because of its urgency and 
    sense of reassurance.
    
    four tops girl
    
    
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    Subject:     Two number one groups on the same day, Pt.2
    Sent:        09/23/98 5:45 am
    Received:    09/23/98 9:44 am
    From:        Alicia Martuge, ZablX .net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    July 4, 1998 I went to see Question Mark and the Mysterians 
    perform in Central Park. An email told me that the Four Tops also 
    performed on July 4, 1998-at Myrtle Beach, SC. The reason why I 
    brought this up is that I mentioned earlier that "Reach Out I'll 
    Be There" went to #1. But Question Mark released a classic rock 'n 
    roll song "96 Tears" which knocked "Reach Out" off the #1 spot. I 
    just HAD to see this group for myself and happily Question Mark 
    and the Mysterians put on a rockin' performance. The supreme irony 
    in this is that "96 Tears" was knocked out of the #1 spot by the 
    Monkees' "Last Train To Clarksville" Go check out "Question Mark 
    and the Mysterians". You'll be glad you did.  :)
    
    four tops girl
    
    
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    Subject:     Uh-Oh
    Sent:        09/22/98 5:35 am
    Received:    09/22/98 7:49 am
    From:        David Feldman, feldX derables.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    
    > Ferry 'Cross The Mersey
    > Venus In Blue Jeans
    > 
    > has this ever been remarked upon before?
    > 
    Not that I know of Jack, but I sure don't have to play the records 
    or even hum them to myself to see the amazing similarity.
    Dave Feldman
    
    Song of the Week:  The Boy with the Arab Strap (Belle & Sebastian)
    Seed of the Week:  Mustard
    Annoyance of the Month:  Humidity
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
      "http://www.imponderables.com"
    
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    Subject:     separated at birth
    Sent:        09/23/98 11:24 pm
    Received:    09/24/98 12:20 am
    From:        Kieron Tyler, kierX .org.uk
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    Jack Madani noted the 'uncomfortable similarity' between Ferry 'Cross The
    Mersey and Venus In Blue Jeans.
    
    You're right, naughty old Gerry - and also - for some time I've thought
    that the inspiration for Ferry was 'On Broadway', have a listen to the two
    back-to-back and you might agree.....
    
    
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    Subject:     River Deep Celine High
    Sent:        09/23/98 6:48 am
    Received:    09/23/98 6:59 pm
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadX 12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    Flippin' channels and happened to alight upon VH-1 in the middle 
    of their Divas show, just as Celine Dion was revving up for the 
    final couple of choruses of River Deep Mountain High. I have to 
    admit, I kind of giggled behind my hand as she tried so hard to 
    pump up the energy with her fist. Celine, I knew Tina Turner. Tina
    was a musical hero of mine. Celine, you're no Tina Turner.
    
    So was River Deep Mountain High any sort of hit for Mlle. Dion? 
    And is there any connection between her recording it and those 
    aborted Spector sessions?
    
    jack
    
    p.s. at the end they trotted all dem divas on stage: Shania Twain 
    (a diva??), Gloria Estafan (a diva????), Mariah Carey, Celine, 
    Carole King (huh???), and Aretha Franklin (hey nineteen, that's 
    'retha franklin). Boy oh boy, did all their voices sound p-u-puny 
    next to Aretha. It reminded me of a surfin & drivin tape I made 
    once; I was groovin' to Little GTO, thinkin it sounded pretty good,
    until I Get Around kicked in immediately after. Ain't Nothin' 
    Like The Real Thing, I guess.
    
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadX 12.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject: Re: River Deep, Mountain High
    Sent: 09/22/98 19:29 pm
    Received: 09/23/98 6:59 pm
    From: Jamie LePage, le_page_X ties.com
    To: Spectropop List, spectroX ties.com
    
    Alicia 4T girl wrote:
    
    >I like the B side I Love You Baby. Phil Spector
    >in that case departed from the usual practice of not
    >recording vocals on this B side to let Tina sing.
    
    Alicia 4T girl brings up an interesting topic. I suppose it is a 
    commonly held belief that the primary reason Philles singles had 
    instrumental B-sides was that Phil didn't want to allocate budget 
    for them, he thought the flip was just a bothersome necessity. 
    
    Phil's productions were very costly by standards of the day, so it 
    served his purpose to keep a few cats after a regular session and 
    have them jam for a few minutes. Nice ploy; Gold Star and the #47 
    were paid for the session anyway, and Mother Bertha ended up with 
    all the publishing.
    
    There were exceptions, but I think basically this was the thinking
    behind the mid-to-late Philles Bs. With Ike & Tina, maybe it was part
    of the deal with Ike: "You stay away from the As and I'll throw you 
    the Bs." 
    
    The differences in production style between the Phil tracks and the 
    Ike tracks on the River Deep LP are striking. Ike's sides sound like 
    one quick take with his skeleton "current" touring band. Phil's 
    tracks of course are the Wrecking Crew WoS at its densest. If 
    anything redeems the Ike tracks, it's Tina-Supreme.
    
    I'm not very familiar with pre-Philles I&T sides, yet I have always
    suspected (maybe someone can clear this up) that Spector had Ike 
    re-record their early R&B singles for the Philles B's (and the 
    album) rather than record new material. My theory is that it served
    the purpose of spending almost nothing on Ike's throwaway tracks, 
    yet Phil ended up with a quasi "best-of I&T" album for Philles 
    (later A&M). Anyone that can clarify, please do.
    
    btw, how about that scene in the Tina flick where she is in-studio
    recording River Deep? Yes, obviously there wasn't a glass vocal 
    booth smack in the middle of Gold Star, and of course the vocal 
    wasn't recorded together with the track, but granting artistic 
    license for the film, it was an impressive moment. I was moved 
    how such a single scene could cinematically translate a general 
    understanding of what Phil and co. achieved at that precise moment
    in the 60's. 
    
    Finally, other RDMH versions that immediately come to mind: 
    Nilsson (good), Easybeats (decent), Eric Burdon and the Animals 
    (obnoxious), Celine Dion (pathetic). Any others? Marc?
    --
    le_page_X ties.com
    RodeoDrive/5030
    
    
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