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Spectropop V#0142

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 09/09/98

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       Volume #0142                     September 9, 1998   
      Spectra-sonic-sound ...the ultimate in High Fidelity  
    Subject:     Egyptian Shumba
    Sent:        09/08/98 1:48 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    >After doing my Chiffon-a-thon for my birthday spectacular (btw,
    >I used at least one selection from every list I read before the
    >show air date, and Doc, "Egyptian Shumba" was so wild I haven't 
    >stopped hearing from listeners yet!) 
    Glad you played it and glad it was well received. To me, it is the
    ultimate GG record. I wonder what it would have sounded like if the
    Pixies 3 had done it!
    >Anyway, I was wondering something. Did the Chiffons who 
    >recorded "He's So Fine," and others really recorded the first 
    >record released as by the Chiffons, "Tonight's The Night,"
    "Tonight's the Night" was a big favorite of mine, by the Shirelles,
    when I was in junior high. But I never heard the Chiffons version 
    til years later. And I never for a second thought it was THE 
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    Subject:     unissued Philles & some videos
    Sent:        09/08/98 9:44 pm
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr,
    To Robert the Ronette Hound...
    Great story re: Phil asking you about the song, Robert...And then 
    not waiting for your answer. Sounds like Phil...The people you 
    mention as having access to Philles stuff might have been involved
    in this recent wave of unknown releases going public, but a few I 
    am skeptical of....By the time the Philles colored-vinyls were 
    secretly pressed and stock copies of "Stumble and Fall" were 
    pressed (early-mid 1964), Helen Noga and Harry Finfer were pretty 
    much "out of the loop," weren't they? The "Thanks..." single was 
    pressed at the end of 1965, and the Phil Spector Spectacular LP 
    was pressed in the early 70's. Finfer & Noga HAD to be gone by 
    then! Still, as you say, there are many other possible "suspects."
    I'm still putting Danny Davis and/or Joan Berg at/near the top...
    Maybe Barney Kessel's kids (David and Dan) raided Phil's vault!!!
    I spent Labor Day evening get acquainted with some old videos..."
    Girl Groups: The Story of a Sound," the un-cut T.N.T Show (a 
    bootleg),  and "That Was Rock: The T.A.M.I./T.N.T Show"...If the 
    latter, released by Media Home Entertainment, is the only 
    available legit record of the T.N.T. Show, then it leaves alot to 
    be desired: Missing is Ike & Tina's "I Think It's Gonna Work Out 
    Fine" and an amazing finale dance number, Joan Baez being 
    accompanied on piano by Phil Spector, false starts by Ray Charles 
    and The Lovin' Spoonful (Charles makes a comment that breaks up 
    the band), and much more. If you've never seen the original, 
    un-cut T.N.T. Show, find it!!! It's pure 60's!!! David McCallum 
    conducting the band?! Twice ??!!
    The Girl Groups video is priceless if for nothing else than the 
    Ronettes on Shindig & T.N.T., the Shangri-Las doing "Give Him a 
    Great Big Kiss," and Darlene Love with the Blossoms doing "Needle 
    in a Haystack." I've had all of these videos for years, but 
    haven't viewed them in a long time...Glad I did.
    Mark (Philles Phanatic)
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    Subject:     Dionne Warwick CDs
    Sent:        09/08/98 3:24 pm
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Scott Bauman,
    Jamie LePage wrote:
    "I've got the Bacharach Music Group promo box set that
    was put together recently, but what is the Dionne CD set most 
    recommended by Spectropop listers?"
    I think that you need to get 3 different Dionne collections -- Her
    All Time Greatest Hits, Hidden Gems, and From the Vaults. (The 
    first two are on Rhino; the third is on Ichiban.) Although the 
    first set contains the biggest hits and the second set contains 
    some smaller hits, even the third set contains numerous gems (i.e., 
    "Get Rid of Him" w/ backing by the Shirelles and "Don't Say I 
    Didn't Tell You So", a track that I'm sure Brian Wilson must have 
    listened VERY closely to) w/ arguably zero-filler. Crucially, 
    there is absolutely no overlap among the 3 CDs.
    -- Scott
    BTW, I just wanted to say that I had the pleasure of having lunch 
    a couple of weeks ago with the aforementioned Mr. LePage and 
    fellow Spectropopper Michael Carpenter when they came to Los 
    Angeles for the recent International Pop Overthrow. Next time 
    lunch is on me, Jamie!
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    Subject:     Dionne Debate
    Sent:        09/08/98 8:39 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        David Feldman,
    Jamie says, in part:
    >As much as I adore Dionne Warwick's mid-60's recordings, I don't 
    >really care much for her as an artist. Her voice works on those 
    >early records, but Sandie Shaw, Jackie DeShannon and Dusty 
    >Springfield made great covers of Bacharach/David material that 
    >arguably could be said to have out Bacharached Dionne's originals. 
    >Later, That's What Friends Are For and the Psychic Friends things 
    >really put me off.
    Taste is taste, but I couldn't let this pass without a murmur. I 
    think DW is a great singer. It's funny that you mention these 
    three singers, because I've heard DW sing versions of at least one
    of each their songs that I prefer to the originals, as much as I've
    enjoyed the latter.
    It just goes to show, IMO, how important producers and writers are
    to any singer. I totally agree that artistically, her career fell 
    off a cliff when she left B&D, but I don't think her descent was 
    any steeper than most of Aretha's output. And like Aretha, she 
    also became a lazier performer (Dionne's concerts  during her
    prime were sometimes spectacular, although she showed traces of 
    erratic behavior even then, and occasionally a weird hostility to 
    her audience) over the years.
    I'm thrilled with Aretha's newfound interest in learning opera. It
    has done wonders for her voice. I'm not sure Dionne will have the 
    energy, or even the opportunity, to record songs the equal of her 
    masterpieces. I happen to like all three of the singers you 
    mentioned above, but I think of Jackie DeShannon and especially 
    Sandie Shaw as relatively minor singers, and Dusty Springfield as 
    an extremely expressive and effective singer with a relatively 
    limited instrument.
    Dionne, on the other hand, had an extraordinary vocal AND 
    expressive range. From the raw fury of "Don't Make Me Over" to the
    delicacy of "Windows of the World," from the innocence of "Last One
    to Be Loved" to the weariness of "A House Is Not a Home," I just 
    can't think of many singers, male or female, who have both the 
    emotional and technical range of Dionne.
    And obviously, B&D's career obviously did not blossom after their 
    association with Dionne was ended. But that's another topic.
    Dave Feldman
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    Subject:     Dionne's belting voice
    Sent:        09/08/98 11:26 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXX@XXXom
    <<Anyone else have Dionne on vinyl and think there is something very
    wrong with Scepter pressings? It seems the discs were cut at very 
    low level, because surface noise on Dionne records is particularly 
    noticeable. >>
    I've found that with a lot of these pressings Dionne's belting 
    voice seems to distort the recording, as if the levels had been 
    allowed to go way too far "into the red." Maybe the problem is 
    that the original vinyl copies we've heard got played a lot back 
    in the 60s on cheap phonographs with worn-out needles.
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    Subject:     FRENCH POP
    Sent:        09/08/98 4:48 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXX@XXXom
    ...and let's not forget Sheila, and Francoise Hardy: the latter 
    especially has a few Spector-type songs from the sixties. Sheila 
    was France's answer to Lesley Gore / Patty Duke, don'tcha know...
    Best to all,
    Jimmy Boy
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    Subject:     I Want You To Be My Baby/French 60s
    Sent:        09/08/98 11:19 pm
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Kieron Tyler,
    Thanks very much to everyone who helped out on this. I would have 
    replied earlier but was away.
    I was trying to compare the Billie Davis UK version with the 1967 
    Ellie Greenwich version. I had suspected that the producer of the 
    Billie version had been influenced by the Ellie version and 
    recorded a version in the same style as the US version.
    There will be an  article on French 60s pop in the October issue 
    of the UKs Record Collector magazine (comes out last week of Sep 
    over here). I agree that France Gall is just about one of the best
    girl-pop singers ever. She influenced a whole load of other French 
    girls such as Annie Phillipe. I could waffle on about French 60s 
    pop for a while, but am not sure if I should......
    All the best, Kieron Tyler
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    Subject:     Oldies stations
    Sent:        09/08/98 1:03 am
    Received:    09/08/98 1:10 am
    From:        james fisher,
    There have been a few references to oldies radio recently and I 
    wanted to add my beef against the major player in that game out 
    here in LA: Does this multi-zillion $ station actually only 
    possess those 50 songs that they endlessly recycle??? I mean how 
    many times can they play "My Girl" and "Wooly Bully" before the 
    peasants revolt and march on the studio with flaming torches? I 
    feel so sorry for those DJ's that I would like to lend them a few 
    of my records for variety before they wear the welcome mat out 
    forever on songs that were once a pleasure and a thrill to hear...
    I have heard The Isley's "twist and shout" THREE times in a day. 
    Now it, and it's 49 other cousins, are great tunes BUT......I know
    that my radio has an "off" button but it sure is a pity to waste 
    50,000 watts on a merciless play-list that probably scares 
    potential oldies fans off to some Easy Listening station and into 
    the waiting arms of a competing sponsor. (My 20 year old daughter 
    loves oldies {Thank you God} but whenever we're together in the 
    car she will say "hey, didn't we just hear this one back at that 
    last traffic light?". Oh the shame of it.)
    Is this a real problem or is it just me?? I apologize for taking 
    up space to complain. And I'm usually such a happy guy.... Jim.
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    Subject:     Re: CONNIE FRANCIS 
    Sent:        09/08/98 2:36 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        CHARLES  THOMPSON,
    Responding to Jack Madani, regarding a 
    Connie Francis compilation collection:
    >Thanks, Jon, for your opinion on the Connie Francis Polydor disc.
    >I started to get interested in picking up a CF compilation, in
    >fact, *because* of those two numbers you refer to on the Growin Up
    >Too Fast anthology. "My Best Friend Barbara" gets under my skin and
    >won't leave me alone. I wonder how much of her output sounds like
    For a few extra bucks, my choice to you would be the "Connie 
    Francis SOUVENIRS" 4 CD box set. It has just about every recording.
    There are close to 120 of Connie's recordings on the 4 CDs 
    (including DON'T EVER LEAVE ME, but unfortunately It doesn't have 
    MY BEST FRIEND BARBARA on it). But as mentioned above, the 'Growin
    Up Too Fast' Anthology set carries that recording. And it would be 
    well worth the bucks to own both CD sets. The 'Growin Up Too Fast'
    set certainly has some great (somewhat forgotten) girl group 
    recordings on it.
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    Subject:     Re: Connie
    Sent:        09/08/98 1:48 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    >there is a killer girl group sounding connie francis tune 
    >on the girl group anthology "growin up too fast" written 
    >by barry/greenwich  "dont ever leave me" and sounds exactly
    >how the Raindrops......
    Ellie sang all the background parts on that tune, and Jeff 
    engineered it.
    You oughta hear Connie's Japanese version! Stereo yet!
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    Subject:     Re: Connie again
    Sent:        09/08/98 2:05 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    >My Best Friend Barbara" gets under my skin and won't leave me
    >alone. I wonder how much of her output sounds like that.
    My wife, Barbara, loves that song. Another good one was "Souvenirs." 
    Connie did very few of these, MGM did not really court the teen
    audience. She made them because she encountered teens so much in 
    her shows. But, if I remember correctly, "Barbara" and "Souvenirs"
    were unreleased until the 90s.
    As for "VACATION," that's another one worth hearing in Japanese!
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    Subject:     Lost Connie Francis Song
    Sent:        09/08/98 8:01 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXX@XXXom
    Since many of the people on this list are into Phil Spector 
    (Spectropop is a Spector list right?) Anyway I would like to hear 
    his version of Second Hand Love by Connie Francis. Phil wrote the 
    song and recorded with Connie, but the record company didn't like 
    it and she recut the song in a country style and that is the 
    version that has been released. I wish someone would put the 
    original Spector version on something as a bonus track. Wonder if 
    it sounds like Darlene Love?
    Paul URbahns
    The above information came from Connie herself in an interview.
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    Subject:     Re: Verdelle
    Sent:        09/08/98 9:36 pm
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Francesc Sole, fsXXXX@XXXes
    Mark wrote:
    >Ok, gang - Here's a toughie (maybe)...On Verdelle's song "Tar and 
    >Cement" (Capitol 5632) there is a sub-title "Il Ragazzo Della Via 
    >Gluck" - Looks Italian to me...Can anybody translate it? Great 
    This is Italian indeed and translates to "The Boy From Gluck 
    Street" as Jimmy well said. And Gluck is German for Luck, so, it 
    would be "The Boy From Luck Street". This is a song by one of  
    Italy's most popular singers in the 60's Adriano Celentano. Do I 
    understand, then, that Verdelle's song is a cover of this one?? 
    Celentano's original features a lot of acoustic guitar, and it has
    an environmental message, as it talks about a boy living in a 
    beautiful street in a beautiful country village and how that 
    beautiful country village is being polluted by the factories and 
    the "civilization".
    Celentano is still making records but his best period was the 60s.
    He used to do a lot of covers too, like Preghero (Stand By Me). His
    Italian version was very popular in Europe and it was a smash hit 
    for him. There are a lot of Celentano compilations (at least in 
    Europe) and he is really worth checking out.
    Enjoying this list immensely,
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    Subject:     Re: P.J.Proby
    Sent:        09/08/98 2:05 am
    Received:    09/09/98 12:08 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    james wrote:
    >Hold Me" P.J.Proby, from 1964. It's a real rocker! 
    >Anyone else remember this guy?
    Sure.  He got sued by Liberty for recording for another label in 
    the UK. Used to be a demo singer.
    According to an old interview with PJ, he would record songs for
    Elvis -- he did a great Elvis impression -- and then Elvis would 
    imitate HIM, putting a new vocal on the demo track.  Can anyone 
    corroborate this?
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