======================================================== # # #### ##### ## ### ### #### ### ##### ### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ## # # #### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #### #### ### ### ## ### ### #### ### #### # # # ### ### ### ======================================================== Volume #0014 11/15/97 ========================================================Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0013 - Oldies Radio Sent: 11/14/97 3:52 AM Received: 11/14/97 11:03 AM From: Kit Carson, XXX@XXXXXXday.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com >1. Oldies radio is more concerned with product than emotions. Bright Oldies programmers know emotion drives the format. Our product *is* emotion. >2. Oldies radio is more concerned with money than anything. That's not fair at all. I'm sure you have a job, too. We have multi-million dollar facilities in our charge, and we certainly are expected to maintain sufficient ratings to sell ads to keep them on the air. No ratings--no ad sales--no profit--no music. But the "they're only interested in the money" slam is unfair to those of us who work hard at what we do and the thousands of people who listen to us. > ...3. Most people in their 40s and 50s want the nostalgia > limited to gentle prods. They look upon their younger days > with some embarrassment. They seem to want to remember only > what they can relate to in the present. Listening to "Jumpin' > Jack Flash" reminds them that they did things in their youth > that they are not comfortable with now. Actually, looking back on misspent youth is a guilty pleasure for a lot of folks. :-) > Take "Walkin' In The Sand." For the most part, a poignant song > that brings back only good memories. Contrast that with "I > Can Never Go Home Anymore." A similar record, maybe better - > but brings back memories of conflicts with parents, maybe > even the time you ran away. Not warm, fuzzy feelings for most > folks. They don't want to be reminded. That's why you'll > never hear ICNGHA on your typical oldies station. Yeah, you're right. > ...4. Oldies radio serves, in most cases, as background music > in the car or office. > Oldies listeners are more active than most formats. Depends on the station, really. > > 5. Oldies stations have continually narrowed their playlists > until many are only playing a few hundred records. Most Oldies stations have a basic, day-in-day-out library of 450-550 records. That's about twice the library size of a CHR (Top 40) station, and a little less than a narrow Classic Rocker. But mature Oldies stations usually have a discretionary library of hundreds more titles used for requests and special features. This is the case on my station and all the "good" Oldies stations you cite. > There are exceptions. WCBS-FM in New York is probably the best > oldies only station in the country - and they've been around > long enough to celebrate THEIR 25th anniversary. I also like > WMJI in Cleveland, and WGRR in Cincinnati. WCBS's own research shows that it's the personalities--not the music--that makes their station stand out. I agree that WGRR is a terrific station--and on the internet! > So, taking the "product" approach, playing only records that > originally were Top 10, you're not going to get much in the > way of the more esoteric records, that may have been > wonderful, but weren't big hits in their time. And, really - > how can you argue with the concept? If a record wasn't even a > hit during it's first run, there must have been a reason. People don't tire of records they love. They *do* tire of records they don't know or don't like. > BTW, I'd like to list a few songs that I loved, even though > they weren't hits:... I've got a bunch of my own, and most are Stax. Just call me Mr. Pitiful, Kit Carson Hear us on RealAudio at http://cool107.com -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- Subject: backhanded compliment songs/oldies radio/stereo _PS_ mix Sent: 11/14/97 3:30 AM Received: 11/14/97 4:16 AM From: dave prokopy, prokXXX@XXXXXX.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com how about "she's just my style" by gary lewis and the playboys? "other guys who see her may not think she's much to see." ouch!! Big L, bXXX@XXXXXXt writes about oldies stations: > 5. Oldies stations have continually narrowed their playlists until many > are only playing a few hundred records. that's certainly true of the new oldies station here in indianapolis. there was already an oldies station out of a town just outside of indy, that was pretty good. they played a surprisingly wide range of stuff. then this new station came along, and i was impressed at first. but lately, they seem to have settled into the same handful of standard motown/beatles/beach boys tracks. even the more "obscure" tracks they play, they end up playing OVER and OVER again. (my mind's in a million places, so i can't cite specific examples off the top of my head, sorry.) the DJ's are relatively okay, although at times they make some incredibly boneheaded comments. Big L also adds: > ...[the stereo remix of "IJWMFTT"] went beyond "remixing" and > "remastering:" it is rerecording, something that should never > be done. okay, i'm none too happy with the remix of this song, for reasons i mentioned on the BB list, but i don't see where there was any "rerecording" done. what exactly are you referring to here? -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- Subject: Darian and Domenic - Back To Stereo Sent: 11/15/97 4:39 AM Received: 11/15/97 4:40 AM From: Jamie LePage, XXX@XXXXXXies.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Darian Sahanaja , monsaXXX@XXXXXXink.net wrote: > Zekley has a slew of great records under his sleeve. You > should check out the great article/discography that Domenic > Priore did (okay, I helped a little) in his Dumb Angel Gazette > Vol. 3. Oh. That's interesting. So why oh why am I the last one to know? :-) More importantly, where can I check it out? When did you and Domenic do this? I know of the Gazette, but the only issue I have is Look Listen Smile Vibrate. ========================================== Back To Stereo ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The WB release of Phil Spector's Greatest Hits has a very strange version of Darlene Love's He's Sure the Boy I Love. It seems to be the original vocal with a second lead vocal on top featuring some wo-wo's and ya-ya's in the intro that were not on the Philles 45. To my knowledge that was the only release of that version. Anyone know anything about this? LePageWeb -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- Subject: Gary Zekley Sent: 11/14/97 3:10 AM Received: 11/14/97 3:51 AM From: carol knudson, knudXXX@XXXXXXolumbia.edu To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Hey all, WOW!, thanks for all the replies on Gary Zekley!! I knew you guys would have the scoop on him. Now I have so much more I have to look for, too. This list is great! Aside from the seemingly quite thorough list of Gary Zekley tunes he was so kind to take the time to type out for us, Jamie LePage also wrote: > > But Carol, where did you find this? > Well, I'll tell ya'- though I had wanted to keep it a secret- I found most of my Gary Zekley songs on the "US Soft Pop Rarities" compilation. A GREAT Japanese CD that I picked up while visiting a good friend, with similar taste in music, in Tokyo. ;) He then asked about my 'Ginger and the Snaps' aquisition: > > Same question. Where did you find these? Are you holding out? :-) > Sorry, you can't take credit for this one...:). I found this locally on an otherwise kind of shoddy 'Girl Group Sound' compilation series. I saw the G+TS song, which I hadn't heard before, and had to buy it. I am still under the spell of I-must-buy-everything-with-or-associated-to-the-name- BRIAN-WILSON. CAROL -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- Subject: Guitar Playin' Was the Life for Him Sent: 11/14/97 6:25 AM Received: 11/14/97 11:03 AM From: James K Cribb, jkcrXXX@XXXXXXcom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com I too saw the obit for Tommy Tedesco, who I think had been so fresh in many of our minds as we've been listening a lot lately to the Pet Sounds sessions. I knew of his work with Brian and Spector but I was amazed at all the other work he'd done, particularly TV (Bonanza, Green Acres, M*A*S*H) and film (Godfather, Field of Dreams). And the hits: "Along Comes Mary," "Eve of Destruction," MacArthur Park," ... I'm not sure if he was the most recorded guitarist, but damn he must've been the most listened to. What a legacy he has left us. James -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0013 - Wildwwwds Sent: 11/14/97 2:13 PM Received: 11/15/97 3:54 AM From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXX@XXXXXX.ca To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com No Good To Cry was also covered rather badly IMO by the Poppy Family and was a hit here in Canada...and here's some Wildweeds trivia, Al Anderson was a member of this band and he later went on to form NRBQ who as far as I know are still rocking. Javed >From: Big L, bXXX@XXXXXXt > BTW, I'd like to list a few songs that I loved, even though they weren't > No Good To Cry - Wildweeds > River Is Wide - Forum -----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------- END
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