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Spectropop V#0139

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 09/05/98

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       Volume #0139                    September 6, 1998   
    Subject:     Re: Bacharach/David break-up
    Sent:        09/05/98 8:22 am
    Received:    09/05/98 8:43 am
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    CC:          Dave Mirich, DmirXXXX@XXXom
    Dave Mirich  asked on the Spectropop List:
    >Anyway, the liner notes mentioned the
    >break-up of Bacharach and David. What was the story there? Did
    >they ever "make up"? Any tidbits would be appreciated. BTW, isn't
    >Dionne wrapped up in that Psychic Network stuff?
    That's something that always fascinated me as well. The story as I
    understand it is that somewhere in late 1971/early 1972, Bacharach 
    and David wrote all the songs for the bomb Columbia musical 
    version of LOST HORIZON. Around this same time, Dionne's label (
    Scepter Records) began having financial problems, and Dionne's 
    singles and albums began to fizzle.
    After the movie bombed in early 1973, Bacharach was (according to 
    interviews) mired in personal and professional depression, and he 
    and songwriting partner Hal David decided to end their 15-year 
    partnership. Dionne was incensed, because she had them tied to an 
    exclusive contract where she essentially had first refusal rights 
    on virtually anything they wrote. After a year or so of bickering,
    she finally sued them, and Bacharach and David also sued each other
    . Dionne spent most of 1972, 1973, and the first half of 1974 
    recording almost no material at all. Sometime in 1974, she finally
    settled the lawsuit against Bacharach and collected several million
    dollars (but the exact amount has never been published, to my 
    Dionne's career bounced back in mid-1974 with her comeback hit "
    Then Came You," with The Spinners. Five years later, she emerged 
    as a major Adult Contemporary artist with songs like "I'll Never 
    Love This Way Again," "Deja Vu," and a half-dozen others in the 
    early 1980s. Meanwhile, Bacharach's career languished, while that 
    of his then-wife, Angie Dickenson, was much more-visible, because 
    of her successful TV series and made-for-TV films.
    In mid-1985, Dionne finally decided that enough was enough, and 
    she picked up the phone and called up Bacharach to ask if he might
    be willing to allow her to sing an updated version of "That's What 
    Friends Are For," which Burt had written in 1982 for the movie 
    NIGHT SHIFT. They agreed to bury the hatchet, the song was an 
    immense hit, and Bacharach's career went on the fast track for the
    rest of the 1980s, resulting in several major hits with his new 
    wife/songwriting partner Carole Bayer Sager.
    So that's the gist of it, as I understand it. As far as I know, 
    neither Dionne nor Bacharach has ever provided any specific 
    details on the terms of their dispute, though they have said many 
    times that they regret not working together for more than 10 years
    . Dionne has pointedly said in live concert appearances, "
    unfortunately, we'll never know what music we could have made 
    during those 10 years, but we'll make the most of the years we 
    have left."
    -= Marc Wielage      |   "The computerized authority     =-
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    Subject:     Connie Francis reminder
    Sent:        09/04/98 11:51 pm
    Received:    09/05/98 8:43 am
    From:        Jack Madani,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I hope someone will be able to help guide me regarding that single 
    disc Conniegreatest hits disc vs. that 2-disc "Readers Digest" 
    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     obscure...
    Sent:        09/05/98 9:12 am
    Received:    09/05/98 8:26 pm
    From:        james fisher,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Thanks for the info on the "Echoes of the '60's" Spector vinyl. 
    Glad I've hung on to it over the years. I bought a cheapo 
    compilation "early 60's" CD the other day because it had on it a 
    track I love but never hear on the radio--"Hold Me" P.J.Proby, from
    1964. It's a real rocker! Anyone else remember this guy? He also did
    a couple of pop chart covers of tunes from "West Side Story"as I 
    recall. Any info on his situation these days? His on-stage gimmick
    was splitting his pants which was,of course, considered pretty 
    outrageous at the time and got him banned from a lot of TV shows...
    ...if we had only known what awaited us in the pop world not too 
    far down the line.....
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    Subject:     Re: ROSIE AND THE ORIGINALS
    Sent:        09/05/98 3:05 am
    Received:    09/05/98 8:43 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Rosie was not really a member of the group which recordd "Angel 
    Baby." She sort of sat in, so to speak. And the reason she sounded
    so "Rosie" was that she had a bad head cold that affected her voice.
    The Originals were pretty pissed that thier hit-claim-to-fame 
    featured her. And she was pissed about her cold/voice.
    As for a follow up, she had a 45 by ROSIE (formerly with the 
    Originals) and an LP of which I have had a copy of for over 35 
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    Subject:     Re: Tar and Cement.....thanks
    Sent:        09/05/98 5:11 am
    Received:    09/05/98 8:43 am
    From:        CHARLES  THOMPSON,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >for Charles Thompson. I think the singer you need for the above
    >tune is VERDELLE SMITH (I'm not 100% sure on the spelling of her
    >first name but I think we can assume that I've got her family name
    >down right!) It's a spoken intro..."The town that I came from was
    >quiet and small"...?? Does that sound like it? I have no idea
    >whatever became of her. Pity. Great song though,from around '66/'67
    >and I don't think I've heard it since.
    Yes! that is who I was trying to remember! A buddy of mine use to 
    have the 45 of Tar and Cement, and as recent as the late 1980's we
    ran across it in his old record collection.....After moving several
    times between then and now, he somehow lost that 45....... I'm so 
    disappointed. O well, I guess I'll only have my memory now to rely
    on to conjure up that song. Another great recording (one I do still
    have on a 45 and would like to find on CD) is BIG TOWN BOY by 
    Shirley Matthews and the Big Town Girls. Very reminiscent of the 
    Crystals HE'S SURE THE BOY I LOVE. There's a Canadian AM radio 
    station, CSCO, that plays it now and then along with a great many 
    NOT top 40 oldies of all time. Love that station!!!
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    Subject:     Top Ten Plus Chiffons
    Sent:        09/06/98 9:16 am
    Received:    09/06/98 9:20 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > Hi boys and girls... I've been enjoying reading your Top 10  
    > lists very much! - Jimmy
    I've enjoyed them too.  Speaking of Top Ten lists my friend Sheila 
    Bergel is collecting various Top Ten lists for the secong edition 
    of her GG fanzine Cha Cha Charming.  Send them via me with your 
    name if you want it published, and I'll forward them to her.  
    Sorry, I don't have her address on hand.  They can be anything.  
    I wrote Top Ten songs with guy names in the title, songs about 
    death, etc, it's wide open.
    Next item on the agenda.  After doing my Chiffon-a-thon for my 
    birthday spectacular (btw, I used at least one selection from 
    every list I read before the show air date, and Doc, "Egyptian 
    Shumba" was so wild I haven't stopped hearing from listeners 
    yet!)  Anyway, I was wondering something. Did the Chiffons who 
    recorded "He's So Fine," and others really recorded the first 
    record released as by the Chiffons, "Tonight's The Night," on Big
    Deal in 1960?  I'm beginning to speculate.  Fact 1: None of the 
    famous Chiffons ever remember recording the song!  In a recent 
    interview they were asked about it but none of them could recall 
    the song!  Considering it was their supposedly first recording 
    session, and the song actually fought the Shirelles hit version to 
    reach No. 76 on the charts, you'd think they might have recalled it.  
    Fact Two:  The Chiffons didn't release a follow-up to their chart 
    hit on the same label.  Their next stop was Wild Cat records,
    where they recorded "Never Never."  Although not really in the 
    style of their later hits, it sounded like the Chiffons.  The 
    lead voice is identifiable.  Even one more release before the 
    Laurie label sessions sounded like them.
    	What's the deal?  Does anyone know the truth behind this?  The 
    Chiffons version of "Tonight's The Night," sure doesn't sound like 
    them to me, and considering they sounded exactly like themselves 
    barely one year later, was it really them, or do we have another 
    case of the Patti Labelle/Bluebelles scam with "I Sold My Heart To 
    The Junkman," which was really recorded by the Starlets?
    Thanks, Will
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    Subject:     philles bootlegs
    Sent:        09/06/98 7:30 am
    Received:    09/06/98 9:20 am
    From:        john rausch, jXXXX@XXXnet
    To:          Spectropop List,
    here is a scan of a philles label bootleg on colored vinyl
    just a click away!
    from jonr
    Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes at:
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