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Spectropop V#0129

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 08/12/98

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       Volume #0129                      August 12, 1998   
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                    Music Everywhere You Go                
    
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     DL v AF, etc...
    Sent:        08/08/98 12:26 am
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr, mslXXXX@XXXbs.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    > [Darlene Love] Puts Aretha to shame (uh, oh, that's gonna 
    > start something)
    >
    Well, I think I was feeling a little goofy when I said that...
    Actually, if DL had been given the same great tunes to sing that 
    AF was given, a comparison would be more justified. They each did 
    superb work with what they had, but just imagine AF singing "He's 
    A Rebel"...Nah, don't think that would cut it - BUT, DL singing 
    "Respect" would have been interesting. I guess the real reason for 
    my statement is that I believe, as David Feldman said, that DL is 
    the most VERSATILE of the female singers. As John Rausch put it, 
    "Darlene can belt out anything thrown her way." Exactly my point 
    (and, in reflection, my only point).
    
    Aretha is the "Queen of Soul" because 1) she is the best female 
    soul singer, and 2) she was billed as a solo and marketed that way. 
    Poor Darlene...She was just a MEMBER of the Blossoms, a MEMBER 
    of Bob B. Soxx & the Bluejeans, and a PSEUDO-MEMBER of the 
    Crystals!!! What relatively scant material she was given by 
    Spector under her own name did not propel her to solo fame, and 
    that was Spector's doing...He was so annoyed by the fact that he 
    could not control her career (like Ronnie), and the DJs/Program 
    Directors were so annoyed with Phil's arrogance, that she never 
    had a chance (through no fault of her own). Phil Spector was the 
    best and worst thing that ever happened for her career!!!
    
    Something buried deep in my half-dead brain cells reminds me of a 
    film clip I once saw of a young Aretha on one of the TV music 
    shows (Shindig? Hullabaloo?) wailing away on a song with the 
    Blossoms backing her up, and Darlene was having the time of her 
    life, rooting Aretha on as the intensity of the song kept building. 
    What a great sight!!! Darlene seemed in awe of Aretha's talents 
    - Pretty classy lady, if you ask me.
    
    Mark (Philles Phanatic)
    
    
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    Subject:     Flo and Lala
    Sent:        08/10/98 9:17 am
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXX@XXXt.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    > It's funny how a singer like Darlene Love can be overlooked for 
    > ages then all of a sudden, we notice her. Darlene's thunderous 
    > voice reminds me of another singer who has been totally overlooked
    > as a solo singer, and I do mean Florence Ballard of the Supremes.
    > However, there is a song out there 
    > recorded by the early Supremes before they hit it large, and Flo 
    > sings "Buttered Popcorn" with the other girls as lead.
    
    Have you ever heard "Baby Don't Go" by Florence and the Supremes 
    on their debut album? That's a great track too! You know, it is 
    really sad that Mary and Flo didn't sing lead more often. Diana 
    has an okay voice, but I get tired of listening to her after a 
    while. It's also a shame Mary didn't win when it was her versus 
    Diana for lead on "Where Did Our Love Go." She lost by 2-1 when 
    the producers (HDH) had to choose. But, what I find the most 
    disappointing is that the Marvelettes, who were first offered the 
    song, didn't recorded it! Those gals could have been the Supremes 
    I'm sure, and none of them have her ego out of check!
    
    Also, one singer no one has talked about is Lala Brooks of the 
    Crystals! Her voices just thunders on her records. It is higher 
    and a little more girly than Ronnie's or Darlene's, but She 
    shouldn't be forgotten amongst the Spector gals. (It would be 
    interesting to hear Barbara Alston on a more booming Spector 
    production too!)
    
    
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    Subject:     Girl Groups Article/Little Ann
    Sent:        08/10/98 2:30 am
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        Francesc Sole, fsXXXX@XXXes
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    The August issue of UK's Record Collector magazine includes an 11-
    page and very interesting article on the Girl Group sound. 
    Includes a GG UK Discography, plenty of sleeve pictures, lists of 
    "singles to sell granny for" and interviews with Bob Crewe Ellie 
    Greenwich. Among other interesting things, she says "my fave group
    of all time were The Pointer Sisters" and "Jeff and I have been 
    talking recently about maybe writing together again, but there's 
    nothing definite. There was talk of a show where we showed how a 
    song was written, and maybe to write one each night on stage".
    
    Francesc
    
    np - David Hamilton's Detroit Dancers cd on Kent. Another 
    magnificent cd full of unreleased gems, such as What Should I Do, 
    by Little Ann. Mouthwatering! What a beautiful and powerful voice,
    and those cool cool horns!!... I don't understand how could this 
    never be released!
    
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    Subject:     Re: Darlene vs. Aretha
    Sent:        08/07/98 10:55 pm
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        Ron Sauer, RGSaXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    I couldn't choose between the two.  But don't overlook Irma 
    Thomas.  "Wish Someone Would Care" is one of the great sixties soul 
    songs.
    
    Ron 
    
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    Subject:     Girls vs. Girl Groups
    Sent:        08/08/98 5:04 am
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Darlene and Ronnie (and Flo and Diana) are great, but I am more into
    groups.  Give me the Crystals any day!
    
    
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    Subject:     Philles - Tomorrow's Sound Today....
    Sent:        08/08/98 6:30 am
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        R Teyes, RTeXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    
    Let's not get into discussions about who's the better female 
    singer...Aretha or Darlene...they both have different styles 
    altogether...I like some of Aretha's material but she wails much 
    too much for me and this takes away the pleasure of listening to 
    her for too long...on the other hand, Darlene makes me want to 
    listen to her all night...Darlene goes from soft to loud gradually 
    and this is an asset for any singer...plus her voice is so 
    beautiful that she can sing anything...
    
    Ronnie Spector's voice has the uniqueness Jon from Ohio describes.
    She certainly is not an operatic diva but yes a contemporary 
    vocalist with excellent rhythm and natural vibrato...Ronnie 
    unfortunately has been typecast into an oldies type singer but she
    can only blame herself for this...granted, she can do a "You Mean 
    So Much", "Take Me Home" of lately but focusing on singing mostly 
    oldies is not good for her...if her husband manager Jonathan would 
    be more careful in choosing her material, Ronnie has a chance at 
    making it big again...we all love her...
    
    Florence Ballard had a voice of an angel...I saw her here in NYC in
    the 60s when the Supremes did Ed Sullivan and I was present in the 
    rehearsals...Ed only allowed one rehearsal before his show on 
    Sundays...Flo kept hitting the wrong notes on Baby Love and I 
    recall Nelson Riddle who was the bandleader then stop the music 
    and asking her to sing only with the pianist and I heard her voice
    alone (in order to get the correct pitch) and she sounded so 
    beautiful I got goosebumps...Mary Wilson is right...Flo would've 
    been quite a singer had fate not intervened...
    
    Robert the Ronette Hound
    
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    Subject:     Re: The Platters(?)
    Sent:        08/07/98 10:58 pm
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        Ron Sauer, RGSaXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    In a message dated 98-08-07 06:31:06 EDT, you write:
    
    << Now, fortunately all 5 of these were the original version with 
     Sonny Turner on lead. However, I noticed that the familiar 
     Platters yawners ("Harbor Lights", "The Great Pretender", etc.) 
     were very definitely NOT the original versions.
     
     The CD was Platinum Disc Corporation (La Crose, Wisconsin) #09352.
     
     Anyone know what gives?
     
     DICKYG >>
    
    If the Sonny Turner Platters were originals, could the remakes 
    have been them also? I think they did a "Greatest Hits" album on 
    Musicor which contained remakes of the Mercury hits. I believe 
    Gene Pitney used the same backgrounds for his album of Platters 
    hits.
    
    Ron
    
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    Subject:     THE TIJUANA BRASS
    Sent:        08/08/98 1:34 pm
    Received:    08/12/98 10:38 am
    From:        CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, TPXXXX@XXX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    I couldn't believe it when I saw Herb Alpert the other night doing
    a commercial. Even if it was a dumb commercial, it was good to see 
    him.
    
    How can these pinheads running the oldies stations NOT play 
    someone as talented as Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass? It 
    simply doesn't add up. I have all his albums and his songs which 
    usually made the top of the charts, always made you feel 
    great. 
    
    Consider these great tunes of theirs: Whipped Cream/Tijuana Taxi, 
    Spanish Flea, The Work Song, A Taste of  Honey, The Happening, 
    The Lonely Bull, Mame....I could go on, but the point is that 
    the true golden age of pop music seems to be lost due to the 
    nearsightedness and lack of imagination by station programmers. 
    What a crime!
    
    I especially notice that none of the oldies stations play a very 
    important genre of 50s and 60s music, namely instrumentals. Need I
    mention things like Wade in the Water by Ramsey Lewis, or Cast Your
    Fate to the Wind by Sounds Orchestral, or Fly Me to the Moon by Joe
    Harnell. Don't forget A Walk in the Black Forest by Horst Jankowski, 
    or Sugar Lips by Al Hirt....And there is anything by Duane Eddy 
    (Guitar Man/Because They're Young/Rebel Rouser) and Sandy Nelson
    (Let There Be Drums/Teen Beat). Banished to Siberia are Top Ten 
    hits like Harlem Nocturne by the Vicounts and Enchanted Sea, a 
    truly classic and haunting instrumental from 1959. Ferrante and 
    Teicher are gone with the wind and Bee Bumble and the Stingers can
    stick it! Red River Rock never gets air time, or tunes like Last 
    Night or Floyd Cramer's Last Date. Theme from a Summer Place? 
    Forget it. The classic Dave Brubeck tune, "Take Five", and the 
    aforementioned are only the tip of a very big iceberg. One more 
    sticks out in my mind:
    
    Booker T. and the MG's had several hits like Hip Hug Her, Green 
    Onions, and the theme from Hang 'Em High...Now, these were very 
    big hits and very prominent on the charts, yet they get no air 
    play at all. I guess I can tsk-tsk and cluck my tongue and shake 
    my head all night and nothing will be done, but it's good to 
    remember those wonderful songs which take us back to a sweet and 
    special time. Where IS that time machine???? Excuse me, I gotta 
    pack!!
    
    
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