======================================================= | __| __ \ _ \ __| __| __| _ \ __ \ _ \ __ \ \__ \ | | __/ ( | | ( | | | ( | | | ____/ .__/ \___|\___|\__|_| \___/ .__/ \___/ .__/ _| _| _| ======================================================= Volume #0108 June 28, 1998 ======================================================= Exclusive Original Television Soundtrack AlbumSubject: Re: Phil and the Ronettes... Sent: 06/26/98 6:19 am Received: 06/26/98 8:01 am From: R Teyes, RTeXXXX@XXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com To: Paul MacArthur Jack Madani Re: Phil and the Ronettes... Both of you are correct to an extent: 1) A contract is a contract. ..yes, BUT if you read Ronnie's book and watch her TV interviews, Phil promised her mother Beatrice that he would sign all three girls to a contract; not only Veronica...and even if they only sneezed in ONE recording, there was a written and verbal contract and in the US, that too is a legal and binding contract...2) Phil signed the Ronettes...not Veronica Bennett...at the time the Ronettes were comprised of Veronica, Estelle, Nedra and at times Elaine...if the judge and lawyers want to get technical, then Elaine is also part of the litigation...however, the three original Ronettes are the only ones suing...be aware that the moment Phil stopped recording the Ronettes and married Ronnie, he placed himself in a bind as their contract was still binding and that was stated in the preliminary trial...Phil, as owner of Philles Records never declared bankruptcy or "liquidated" the Ronettes' contract... he did let Darlene Love's, Bob B. Sox's, Crystals contract expire legally when he knew they were no longer marketable...he also knew that the Righteous Bros. were still moneymakers so he attempted unsuccessfully to sue Verve...and this is only because Bobby and Bill asked for a five year contract when their two year one expired and Phil refused to grant another one...Phil is indeed talented but also very cunning...Robert T. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Usher, Annette, Robin Ward & AIP beach flicks Sent: 06/28/98 2:54 pm Received: 06/28/98 3:21 pm From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Jack Madani wrote: >according to your theory, wouldn't then the Beach movie >tunes have been controlled by American International Pictures, who >produced those flicks? Or else, whoever has since swallowed up AIP >(since I have to believe that AIP doesn't exist anymore)? Yes, and sorry for the halfbaked theory. Remember, Annette, being a Disney "property," was under their umbrella, and Disney probably negotiated the distribution rights to the OST's from the Annette AIP beach flicks. So, under the theory - Disney kept the Annette masters, AIP picked up all the available publishing rights to the flicks, and eventually the songs ended up under the PolyGram umbrella. If Scott digs a little further, PolyGram must have cue sheets to these films on file since many of the songs listed were indeed from the beach flicks. My guess is PolyGram control all the incidental cues from these films too. Brad Elliott wrote re: Scott's Usher-related songlist: >That was quite an interesting list of songs you posted to the >Spectropop List. These I can nail down definitely for you: >>Cycle Set (Christian/Usher) >From the movie "Beach Blanket Bingo." Performed in the movie by >The Hondells (whose version was never put on record) -- recorded >by Donna Loren on BEACH BLANKET BINGO (1965). Two versions of "Cycle Set" appear on "The Hondells - Vol. 1 - 1964" (ATM 3811 AH), and of course Donna Loren's version can be found on "Best of Gary Usher, Volume 1" (MMCD-1008). Not a great song, imo, but Hondells version is better to my ears. "Cycle" is pronounced with a short "i" sound, so instead of "sigh-kul set" it sounds like "sicko set." Interesting to note that the Hondells master for "Cycle Set" was licensed from Orion Pictures. Another link in the chain from AIP -> PolyGram??? >>The Greaser (Christian/Usher) >I think this is a typo in Polygram's records. Not a typo, but an AKA. Hondells cut "the Greaser" in December 1964, and according to Usher (via McParland), it was re-recorded early 1965 as "the Gasser" for the AIP flick "Ski Party." >>Muscle Bustle (Christian/Wilson/Usher) >From the movie "Muscle Beach Party." Recorded by Annette on >MUSCLE BEACH PARTY (1964) and by Donna Loren on 45. Donna's version is also on "Surf & Drag Vol. 1" (Sundazed SC11003). Jack Madani wrote: >>perhaps the greatest *lost* Wall of Sound tune of all time is >>"New Love," performed in Beach Blanket Bingo... Brad replies: >The vocal really was by Jackie (aka Robin) Ward (yes, she of >"Wonderful Summer" fame), with backing by Darlene Love and the >Blossoms! Production was by Jerry Styner and Guy Hemric, who >wrote the song. Brad, you have no idea how delighted I was to read this! Jack Madani must be grinning from ear to ear! Robin Ward, is she the greatest or what? Does anyone have a discography on her? I put together a little Robin Ward compilation that included the Wonderful Summer album and a track called In His Car. It's all wonderful Botkin, Jr./Garfield Gold Star stuff. Top class Girl Group production. Now we just HAVE to get "New Love" from somewhere, right Jack? :-) Finally, I just have to mention the Hondells "My Buddy Seat" (Usher/Wilson). To me, this is one of the finest surf/hot rod songs ever. Start to finish, it has it all, much like Bruce & Terry's version of Summer Means Fun. In fact, the BGs sound a heckuva lot like Bruce & Terry. The lyrics are just fantastic, especially to me, a motorscooter enthusiast: "Come on and slide up a little bit more (You know what it means) That's what a buddy seat is really made for" Surf 'n' turf rules!!! -- le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com RodeoDrive/5030 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Beach Party Tonight; New Love Sent: 06/27/98 5:54 pm Received: 06/27/98 10:21 pm From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Brad reported: >The following is a known Usher composition (it's listed with BMI), >but to the best of my knowledge it was never released on record. It >may be the same song as the above "Beach Party." >> Beach Party Tonight (Christian/Usher) Don't I have a surfin' compilation on vinyl somewhere in my collection that contains an Annette recording of this song? I'm sure I do. I'll dig and report back later. Then Brad said >Then Jack Madani wrote: >>perhaps the greatest *lost* Wall of Sound tune of all time is "New >>Love," performed in Beach Blanket Bingo by Sugar Kane (played by >>Linda Evans, who I'm sure was just lip synching). >Yes, Linda Evans was lip-synching. The vocal really was by Jackie >(aka Robin) Ward (yes, she of "Wonderful Summer" fame), with >backing by Darlene Love and the Blossoms! Wow. I love it when all the threads of my musical life converge like this, like the end of a latterday Seinfeld episode. >Production was by Jerry >Styner and Guy Hemric, who wrote the song. And so, how can one get a recording of this boss tune, short of renting the video and taping it right off the movie? jack "styner & hemric???" madani ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road, Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Box Tops & Bachman Sent: 06/26/98 11:57 am Received: 06/27/98 2:59 am From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXXX@XXXt.ca To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com From: Scott Bauman, ScottBauXXXX@XXX.msn.com >As part of my job, I listened to many of these >albums to determine whether the recordings were originals or >re-recordings. Almost always, the alleged re-recordings were, in >fact, the original recordings. However, the version of "The Letter" >on one of these albums CLEARLY was a re-recording. The voice was >most certainly Alex Chilton, but it sounded like the Alex Chilton >from his "High Priest" album days and not the gruff blue-eyed soul >days of the Box Tops. Perhaps this is the version that you heard on >the radio. > >-- Scott Speak of the devil Scott, I happened to be in a record store yesterday and saw a cheapo compilation of oldies which boasted something like "as performed by the original artists" and in very small print at the bottom it also had a disclaimer about the songs being re-recordings. Anyway, one of the songs on the comp was "Cry Like A Baby" by the Box Tops. This must have been recorded at the same time as the other version of "The Letter" and it certainly came from the type of album that you were asked to listen to. You are right about Alex Chilton's voice on the re-recording of The Letter, it did sound more like his later work as opposed to the Box Tops. The comp that I saw was only $4.99 Canadian and I'm tempted to pick it up just for the re-recording of "Cry Like A Baby". Wonder if the electric sitar made it to the new version. >From Brad Elliot : >Well, we all know who Randy Bachman is, so he's not unknown. >However, I've never heard anything about Gary working with him. >What vintage are these songs? My guess is that they probably >pre-date Bachman-Turner Overdrive, but post-date The Guess Who. >Bachman did a solo album (AXE) in 1970 and it would seem logical >to think that Usher's path and his might have crossed at that >point. >>Good Times, Bad Times (Usher/Randy Bachman) >>My Best for You (Usher/Bachman) >>Too Close To Me (Usher/Bachman) After the Guess Who and his solo album but before BTO, Randy Bachman also recorded an album with a group called Brave Belt. I used to have the album. It came out around 1972. It's possible that one of these tracks was on that album but I don't think So. I think I would have noticed and remembered the Usher credit. It was a pleasant sounding record without the trademark gruff-sounding BTO vocals. Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: "The Letter" by the Box Tops Sent: 06/26/98 6:32 pm Received: 06/27/98 2:59 am From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXXX@XXXre.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com At 01:09 AM 6/26/98 +0900, you wrote: >>I think the hit version of "The Letter" by the Box Tops was the >>first one to be released. After that came the versions by the >>Arbors and of course Joe Cocker. It's funny that you should >>mention a different version by the Box Tops though. I recall >>hearing a version on the oldies stations in the early 80's and it >>sounded like a re-recording but it was announced as by the Box >>Tops. I think I heard this version several times. It may have been >>recorded when Alex Chilton got back together with the Box Tops for >>the oldies package tours in the 80's. Perhaps it was an >>alternate-take from the 60's that somehow made it's way to the >>oldies stations. I'm sure someone will shed some light on this >>unless we're both losing our minds Doc. > I picked up Dick Bartley's "On The Radio" CD compilations and noiced that the Mono mix of "The Letter" is different from the stereo mix. On the mono mix, the backing track is mixed higher and it blends better with Alex's lead and background vocals. Also there seems to be more reverb mixed in, and its a couple seconds longer. I think its a better mix, the stereo mix sounds weaker and " distant" compared to the mono. Most of the oldies stations in my area use the stereo mix of the song, and I bet its from the "Best of the Box Tops" collection that Warner Special products released back in the mid 80's. There is a local small town oldies station in my area that broadcasts ABC Network's "Pure Gold" format in my area. But during the morning they have a local show and the DJ will now and then play the cheap K-Tel re-make versions of classic groups! (Drifters "On the Boardwalk", Grass Roots, Lesley Gore's "Its My Party") I have thought about calling the guy up and tell him to play the " real" versions of these songs but I bet the guy wouldnt listen to me anyway!   Billy G. Spradlin E-mail: bilXXXX@XXXre.net ICQ:2039627   29 Rim Road Homepage: http://www.tyler.net/wildbill   Kilgore, Texas 75662 IRC: Wild`Bill in #Bob's_Tavern (Efnet)   --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re:Dee Dee's Gospel Sent: 06/26/98 2:07 pm Received: 06/27/98 2:59 am From: Chris & John, cjmahXXXX@XXXiernet.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Dave Feldman wrote: > >I don't think this is the one. As I recollect, Dee Dee married >Kenny Gamble (or was it Leon Huff?) and the album I'm referring to >might have been credited as Dee Dee Sharp Gamble or Dee Dee Gamble, >although I don't think so. Somewhere, I have a review of the album. >I'll try to find it. >Dave Feldman Ah ha! In that case I have additional info. I noticed in my record price guide that the LP "What Color Is Love" was recorded by one Dee Dee Sharpe Gamble on the Philadelphia International label (PZ- 34437) and released in 1977. She also recorded two other Philadelphia Int'l recordings, but it is not clear if the "Gamble" surname is credited, They were: "Happy 'Bout The Whole Thing" ( PZ-38839) in 1976 and "Dee Dee" (JZ-36370) in 1980. Hope this helps. Regards, John Mahoney --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Sound of Summer Sent: 06/27/98 8:38 pm Received: 06/28/98 10:51 am From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com >Pray for Surf (Honeys) is on here in what sounds like crap but is >listed as mono rechannelled for stereo. This is one of my two >favorite Honeys tracks, the other being He's a Doll. The bari >saxes and Hal Blaine fills on this are tops. The third number of theirs that I like best, and which in fact is my personal favorite, is The One You Can't Have. Sessions recordings for both He's A Doll and T1YCH have appeared on the Sea of Tunes releases of Beach Boys material (the obvious connection being that Brian Wilson produced the tracks and that two-thirds of the Honeys (the two-thirds who couldn't sing, coincidentally) were Brian's wife and sister-in-law). The sessions are fascinating to listen to, showing how simple the individual parts are, but once they fit together they create a magnificent aural assault on Mount Spector. The other fascinating part is listening to the creation of the vocal stacks, the doubling and tripling of parts to create the creamy harmony, the arrangements for which, at least in the case of the Honeys' tunes, are very simple, little more than open triads, as Brian obviously recognized the limitations of his girl singers. My favorite moment in T1YCH is just at the beginning of each chorus, when the backing parts stop singing oooh's and switch over to words, singing "the wunnnnnn you can't have is the one that you want the most..." There's a kind of "buzz," it's hard to describe it any other way, but when they all hit the word "one," the vocals create a kind of buzz. It really scratches my deepdown itch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road, Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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