======================================================= _ ___ _ __ ___ ___| |_ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ / __| '_ \ / _ \/ __| __| '__/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \ \__ \ |_) | __/ (__| |_| | | (_) | |_) | (_) | |_) | |___/ .__/ \___|\___|\__|_| \___/| .__/ \___/| .__/ |_| |_| |_| ======================================================= Volume #0101 June 17, 1998 ======================================================= featuring radio and recording favorites Subject: Re: Stereo Stones Sent: 06/16/98 3:10 am Received: 06/16/98 7:59 am From: Mark Easter, MCE1XXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, Brad writes: << BTW, two of the other stereo mixes on the tape are "It's All Over Now" and "The Last Time," neither of which I have elsewhere in stereo, but for some reason I seem to think that both of these have been released commericially in stereo. Does anyone know where? Neither is on the UK HOT ROCKS 1 CD. >> The stereo "It's All Over Now" is on the "More Hot Rocks" original UK CD release... I doubt the one available there now has it anymore , though, due to Klein's bringing the worldwide catalog in line with the lame US versions a few years back. Hope that helps! Mark ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: even rhino isn't perfect Sent: 06/16/98 7:48 pm Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXrax.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Jeffrey Thames <KingoGrXXX@XXXm> commented on the Spectropop List: >you know what i miss on rhino cd's? >RUNNING TIMES!!!!!! >grrrrrr... ------------------------<snip>------------------------ I've complained about this to Rhino compilation producer Bill Inglot several times -- both that and lack of mono/stereo info. His reply was that the CD covers and booklets are often printed *months* before the CD is actually mastered, making it difficult to guarantee that all these details between the actual song and the printed material will match. Apparently, because of the economics in the printing business, many record labels book X-amount of printing time on a printing press, and do a whole bunch of jobs in a set number of days. That might cover 50 releases for four or five months, for a reissue label like Rhino. Bill told me that he often works right up to the very day the CD master has to ship to the pressing plant. Once in awhile, he's had to go and cut in a last-minute replacement track to improve the sound quality, which would render the printed info wrong if it pertained to stereo/mono or running time. I do object to Rhino's bad habit of not printing ANY label info on the actual CD itself, which to me is inexcusable. Cool graphics are one thing, but just printing a smiley face and _nothing else_ on a disc surface is insanity. I want a track-by-track run-down of at LEAST the song titles. I think there's an E-Mail link at http://www.rhino.com if you want to bring the matter up to them there. --MFW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= Marc Wielage | "The computerized authority =- -= MusicTrax, Ltd. | on rock, pop, & soul." =- -= Chatsworth, CA | XXX@XXXrax.com =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: I have been searching for P.F. Sloan Sent: 06/16/98 2:58 pm Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Scott Bauman, ScottBauXXX@XXXmsn.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com This past Saturday night, I attended a tribute to Harry Nilsson at the Roxy in L.A. One of the performers was the elusive, reclusive (?) P.F. Sloan. This was the second time I've seen him perform live. The first time was at the Pet Sounds Tribute Show here about a year ago where he sang "Sloop John B." in a performance that I described as "Alex Chilton on a bad night." Well, on Saturday, Flip was a whole lot better. He sang "I Guess the Lord Must Live In New York City" and "Jump Into the Fire" backed by such power-poppers as Jason Falkner (ex-Jellyfish), Rik Menck (Velvet Crush), and Parthenon Huxley. He seemed pretty comfortable on stage, so I'm wondering why he doesn't do more live appearances. I was kind of surprised when he said that he had never met Harry. I would have thought that their paths would have crossed at some point. -- Scott "If Only I Could Find the Fantastic Baggys CD" Bauman ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Imagination Sent: 06/16/98 11:40 am Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Big L, biXXX@XXXmail.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com BTW - CD Now is taking advance orders for Brian Wilson's " Imagination" at $11.95 for the CD. == Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at: biXXX@XXXmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816 ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: abkco Sent: 06/16/98 8:46 am Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com from digest #100: << -- which just shows you how lame Allen Klein's people are at distinguishing true stereo vs. mono vs. synth. stereo. Idiots... >> i just finished reading jim dawson's excellent book, "the twist" (all about the song, the dance, the marketing explosion, etc.), and towards the end, dawson mentions the fact that klein owns all the old cameo/parkway masters (so *that's* who, sez i to myself) and appartently has no intentions of issuing them on cd (apart from a dovells compilation mastered from vinyl rather than the masters... one of the dovells was quoted as saying, "allen doesn't care"... after reading about the stones packages here, i believe it)...this book is a few years old and i was wondering if there have been any developments or changes in this story...i found a u.k. cd pressing of the original *96 tears* album on the merlin label a few years back...would this be a boot? if so, the sound quality's rather remarkable to my ears... thanx, jeff ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: jill gibson Sent: 06/16/98 8:39 am Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, you write: << It's as easy as 1-2-3 (Jill Gibson, Imperial 66068 - mono) Never had heard this before. Jan & Dean recorded this too, and to me Jill Gibson (who co-penned this with Don Altfeld) sounds incredible on ...Easy as 1-2-3 with her "relaxed" vocal style. >> would this be the same jill gibson who temporarily replaced michelle phillips in the mamas & the papas? i was under the impression she couldn't really sing and was just hired because of similar physical attributes to michelle...shows you what i know... jeff ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: Jilly Gibson Sent: 06/16/98 3:26 am Received: 06/16/98 7:59 am From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com >Jan produced this for Jill, and word has it that Jill was >Jan's main squeeze at the time. Any more info on this? Hey Doc, >it's on Imperial! Not only does Jill's record share backing tracks with the j&D Lp version -- it is Jill, not Dean, harmonizing on the "J&D" version! Jill is also known as Jilly. Check the etching in the run-out grooves of your 45 of "You ?really Know How TO Hurt A Guy!" I spoke to Jill last year. She has not seen jan in about 30 years. Other highlights of her resume - she filled in for Michelle in the Mamas and Papas when Michelle got strung out and booted out in the late 60s. ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: mono vs. stereo Sent: 06/16/98 11:57 am Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Big L, biXXX@XXXmail.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Now we're on one of my hot subjects! 1. Records, up until the very late 60s, were mixed to be heard in mono. Absolutely true. In fact, up until 66 or so, most stereo mixes were created simply by taking the 3 track, putting one track on each side, and drums and vocals in the center. Some engineers liked to play with the stereo as if it were a toy. Listen to the _original_ mix of Diamond's "Solitary Man." The vocals shift back and forth between tracks. Same thing for the Rascal's "Good Lovin'." An outstanding example is Hendrix' "Crosstown Traffic." The background vocals move back and forth like cars on a busy street. A bit later, it became popular to remix hit songs for stereo. This was the heyday of mono versions being quite different than the stereo one. Very popular in '67 - the Mamas and Papas, and the Rascals were big on it. MOST of the Rascals hits got this treatment - Lonely Too Long, Groovin', A Girl Like You, It's Wonderful. And, in every case, the mono version was better. Mamas and Papas - Creeque Alley, I Saw Her Again, Words Of Love - all different. ISHA has to be one of the worst fumbles ever - in the stereo mix, the lead vocals alll but disappear. Another example is Penny Lane - the original DJ copy (the one that got played) was quite different - tighter, more solid, with a horn coda at the end that is missing on all subsequent versions. How many of you mentally supply that horn coda when you hear the song, as I do? One of the worst stereo mixes ever is Reach Out (I'll Be There.) Even Dave Marsh comments on this. Get the 45 - any 45 - and it'll blow that album version away. == Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at: biXXX@XXXmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816 ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0100 Sent: 06/16/98 9:53 am Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am From: Robert Teyes, RTeXXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Hello! I just acquired the Lenny Bruce lp on the red and yellow label. I understand Phil destroyed the master tapes of that lp when he divorced Ronnie..out of anger... Lala Brooks of the Crystals did a show here in NYC and I went to see her..she signed my Crystals lps I brought along... Ronnie Spector and Estelle and Nedra were at the court house on Manhattan ...I went all week long...the judge played about 20 minutes of Be My Baby, Walking In the Rain, Baby i love you and she even ( the judge) tapped her fingers to the beat...Ronnie's husband was too over protective..Nedra and Estelle looked beautiful! More next time ...Love,.Robert the Ronette hound!. ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector Sent: 06/16/98 8:51 am Received: 06/16/98 8:06 am From: john rausch, jXXX@XXXhio.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com hello everyone, this is my first posting to this great list and i want to thank whoever recommended me. i am a great spector/ ronettes fan and would like to invite anyone interested to visit my ronettes site at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/ in response to tonys question on the warner/spector discography: there is a really great book called "collecting phil spector" by fitzpatrick/fogerty and is the "bible" to spectorphiles . the book has all discography info on all spector labels ,U.S. and foriegn and lists all the warner/spector/bigtree/polydor releases. tony , if you want,email me and i will do my best to help you out with any holes in your collection as i have the book spectropop is great!!! jon ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector Sent: 06/17/98 1:51 am Received: 06/17/98 1:59 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXX@XXXies.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Anthony G Pavick wrote: >Does anyone have a discography of the 45s and lps and >Warner/Spector and also Big Tree/ Spector...Phil's mid 70s >labels. Hi Anthony, Take a look at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/7666. There is a fairly comprehensive Phil Spector vinyl discography there. You can take a look at back issues of Spectropop, too, if you like. It's early days for the site, but luckily the Spector discog was the first one to be put up. >If I'm not mistaken, there were 10 45 rpm releases on W/S, and >maybe 3 lps. As far as I know only one of the 45s came close to >being a hit, and that was Soul Man by Calhoon. As luck would have >it, it wasn't even produced by Phil! Those Calhoon sides are quite annoying. There seems to be a story here (why did Phil deliver such strange records to Warner/Spector?), but the most probable answer is not really all that interesting I suppose. >I think I have most of them, but there are holes in my collection. I should hope so! How else would you get the discs on the spindle? ;-) -- le_page_XXX@XXXies.com RodeoDrive/5030 ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== END
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