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Spectropop V#0101

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 06/16/98

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      Volume #0101                          June 17, 1998
            featuring radio and recording favorites
    Subject:     Re: Stereo Stones
    Sent:        06/16/98 3:10 am
    Received:    06/16/98 7:59 am
    From:        Mark Easter, MCE1XXX@XXXm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, Brad writes:
    << BTW, two of the other stereo mixes on the tape are "It's All Over 
     Now" and "The Last Time," neither of which I have elsewhere in 
     stereo, but for some reason I seem to think that both of these 
     have been released commericially in stereo. Does anyone know where? 
     Neither is on the UK HOT ROCKS 1 CD.  >>
    The stereo "It's All Over Now" is on the "More Hot Rocks" original
    UK CD release... I doubt the one available there now has it anymore
    , though, due to Klein's bringing the worldwide catalog in line 
    with the lame US versions a few years back.
    Hope that helps!
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    Subject:     Re: even rhino isn't perfect
    Sent:        06/16/98 7:48 pm
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jeffrey Thames <KingoGrXXX@XXXm> commented on the Spectropop List:
    >you know what i miss on rhino cd's?
    >RUNNING TIMES!!!!!!
    I've complained about this to Rhino compilation producer Bill 
    Inglot several times -- both that and lack of mono/stereo info.
    His reply was that the CD covers and booklets are often printed 
    *months* before the CD is actually mastered, making it difficult to
    guarantee that all these details between the actual song and the 
    printed material will match. Apparently, because of the economics 
    in the printing business, many record labels book X-amount of 
    printing time on a printing press, and do a whole bunch of jobs in
    a set number of days. That might cover 50 releases for four or five
    months, for a reissue label like Rhino.
    Bill told me that he often works right up to the very day the CD 
    master has to ship to the pressing plant. Once in awhile, he's had
    to go and cut in a last-minute replacement track to improve the 
    sound quality, which would render the printed info wrong if it 
    pertained to stereo/mono or running time.
    I do object to Rhino's bad habit of not printing ANY label info on
    the actual CD itself, which to me is inexcusable. Cool graphics are
    one thing, but just printing a smiley face and _nothing else_ on a 
    disc surface is insanity. I want a track-by-track run-down of at 
    LEAST the song titles.
    I think there's an E-Mail link at
    if you want
    to bring the matter up to them there.
    -= Marc Wielage      |   "The computerized authority     =-
    -= MusicTrax, Ltd.   |       on rock, pop, & soul."      =-
    -= Chatsworth, CA    |         =-
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    Subject:     I have been searching for P.F. Sloan
    Sent:        06/16/98 2:58 pm
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Scott Bauman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    This past Saturday night, I attended a tribute to Harry Nilsson at
    the Roxy in L.A. One of the performers was the elusive, reclusive 
    (?) P.F. Sloan.
    This was the second time I've seen him perform live. The first 
    time was at the Pet Sounds Tribute Show here about a year ago 
    where he sang "Sloop John B." in a performance that I described as
    "Alex Chilton on a bad night."
    Well, on Saturday, Flip was a whole lot better. He sang "I Guess 
    the Lord Must Live In New York City" and "Jump Into the Fire" 
    backed by such power-poppers as Jason Falkner (ex-Jellyfish), Rik 
    Menck (Velvet Crush), and Parthenon Huxley. He seemed pretty 
    comfortable on stage, so I'm wondering why he doesn't do more live
    I was kind of surprised when he said that he had never met Harry. 
    I would have thought that their paths would have crossed at some 
    -- Scott "If Only I Could Find the Fantastic Baggys CD" Bauman
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    Subject:     Imagination
    Sent:        06/16/98 11:40 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Big L,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    BTW - CD Now is taking advance orders for Brian Wilson's "
    Imagination" at $11.95 for the CD.
    Big L                   Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
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    Subject:     Re: abkco
    Sent:        06/16/98 8:46 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    from digest #100:
    << -- which just shows you how lame Allen Klein's people are at 
     distinguishing true stereo vs. mono vs. synth. stereo. Idiots... >>
    i just finished reading jim dawson's excellent book, "the twist" 
    (all about the song, the dance, the marketing explosion, etc.), and
    towards the end, dawson mentions the fact that klein owns all the 
    old cameo/parkway masters (so *that's* who, sez i to myself) and 
    appartently has no intentions of issuing them on cd (apart from a 
    dovells compilation mastered from vinyl rather than the masters...
    one of the dovells was quoted as saying, "allen doesn't care"...
    after reading about the stones packages here, i believe it)...this
    book is a few years old and i was wondering if there have been any 
    developments or changes in this story...i found a u.k. cd pressing
    of the original *96 tears* album on the merlin label a few years 
    back...would this be a boot? if so, the sound quality's rather 
    remarkable to my ears...
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    Subject:     Re: jill gibson
    Sent:        06/16/98 8:39 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, you write:
    << It's as easy as 1-2-3 (Jill Gibson, Imperial 66068 - mono) Never 
     had heard this before. Jan & Dean recorded this too, and to me 
     Jill Gibson (who co-penned this with Don Altfeld) sounds incredible
     on ...Easy as 1-2-3 with her "relaxed" vocal style. >>
    would this be the same jill gibson who temporarily replaced 
    michelle phillips in the mamas & the papas? i was under the 
    impression she couldn't really sing and was just hired because of 
    similar physical attributes to michelle...shows you what i know...
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    Subject:     Re: Jilly Gibson
    Sent:        06/16/98 3:26 am
    Received:    06/16/98 7:59 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >Jan produced this for Jill, and word has it that Jill was 
    >Jan's main squeeze at the time. Any more info on this? Hey Doc, 
    >it's on Imperial!
    Not only does Jill's record share backing tracks with the j&D Lp 
    version -- it is Jill, not Dean, harmonizing on the "J&D" version!
    Jill is also known as Jilly. Check the etching in the run-out 
    grooves of your 45 of "You ?really Know How TO Hurt A Guy!"
    I spoke to Jill last year. She has not seen jan in about 30 years.
    Other highlights of her resume - she filled in for Michelle in the 
    Mamas and Papas when Michelle got strung out and booted out in the 
    late 60s.
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    Subject:     Re: mono vs. stereo
    Sent:        06/16/98 11:57 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Big L,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Now we're on one of my hot subjects!
    1. Records, up until the very late 60s, were mixed to be heard in 
    Absolutely true. In fact, up until 66 or so, most stereo mixes 
    were created simply by taking the 3 track, putting one track on 
    each side, and drums and vocals in the center.
    Some engineers liked to play with the stereo as if it were a toy. 
    Listen to the _original_  mix of Diamond's "Solitary Man."  The 
    vocals shift back and forth between tracks. Same thing for the 
    Rascal's "Good Lovin'."
    An outstanding example is Hendrix' "Crosstown Traffic." The 
    background vocals move back and forth like cars on a busy street.
    A bit later, it became popular to remix hit songs for stereo. This
    was the heyday of mono versions being quite different than the 
    stereo one. Very popular in '67 - the Mamas and Papas, and the 
    Rascals were big on it.
    MOST of the Rascals hits got this treatment - Lonely Too Long, 
    Groovin', A Girl Like You, It's Wonderful. And, in every case, the
    mono version was better.
    Mamas and Papas - Creeque Alley, I Saw Her Again, Words Of Love - 
    all different. ISHA has to be one of the worst fumbles ever - in 
    the stereo mix, the lead vocals alll but disappear.
    Another example is Penny Lane - the original DJ copy (the one that
    got played) was quite different - tighter, more solid, with a horn 
    coda at the end that is missing on all subsequent versions. How 
    many of you mentally supply that horn coda when you hear the song,
    as I do?
    One of the worst stereo mixes ever is Reach Out (I'll Be There.) 
    Even Dave Marsh comments on this. Get the 45 - any 45 - and it'll 
    blow that album version away.
    Big L                   Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
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    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#0100
    Sent:        06/16/98 9:53 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:41 am
    From:        Robert Teyes, RTeXXX@XXXm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I just acquired the Lenny Bruce lp on the red and yellow label. I 
    understand Phil destroyed the master tapes of that lp when he 
    divorced Ronnie..out of anger...
    Lala Brooks of the Crystals did a show here in NYC and I went to 
    see her..she signed my Crystals lps I brought along...
    Ronnie Spector and Estelle and Nedra were at the court house on 
    Manhattan ...I went all week long...the judge played about 20 
    minutes of Be My Baby, Walking In the Rain, Baby i love you and 
    she even ( the judge) tapped her fingers to the beat...Ronnie's 
    husband was too over protective..Nedra and Estelle looked 
    More next time  ...Love,.Robert the Ronette hound!.
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    Subject:     Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector
    Sent:        06/16/98 8:51 am
    Received:    06/16/98 8:06 am
    From:        john rausch,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    hello everyone, this is my first posting to this great list and i 
    want to thank whoever recommended me. i am a great spector/ 
    ronettes fan and would like to invite anyone interested to visit 
    my ronettes site at
    in response to tonys question on the warner/spector discography: 
    there is a really great book called "collecting phil spector" by 
    fitzpatrick/fogerty and is the "bible" to spectorphiles . the book
    has all discography info on all spector labels ,U.S. and foriegn 
    and lists all the warner/spector/bigtree/polydor releases.
    tony , if you want,email me and i will do my best to help you out 
    with any holes in your collection as i have the book
    spectropop is great!!!
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    Subject:     Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector
    Sent:        06/17/98 1:51 am
    Received:    06/17/98 1:59 am
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Anthony G  Pavick wrote:
    >Does anyone have a discography of the 45s and lps and 
    >Warner/Spector and also Big Tree/ Spector...Phil's mid 70s 
    Hi Anthony,
    Take a look at
    There is a 
    fairly comprehensive Phil Spector vinyl discography there. You can 
    take a look at back issues of Spectropop, too, if you like. It's 
    early days for the site, but luckily the Spector discog was the 
    first one to be put up. 
    >If I'm not mistaken, there were 10 45 rpm releases on W/S, and 
    >maybe 3 lps. As far as I know only one of the 45s came close to 
    >being a hit, and that was Soul Man by Calhoon. As luck would have 
    >it, it wasn't even produced by Phil!
    Those Calhoon sides are quite annoying. There seems to be a story 
    here (why did Phil deliver such strange records to Warner/Spector?), 
    but the most probable answer is not really all that interesting I 
    >I think I have most of them, but there are holes in my collection.
    I should hope so! How else would you get the discs on the spindle? 
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