======================================= _/_ _ _ _ _. / __ __ _ __ _ /_)_/_)_</_(__<__/ (_(_)/_)_(_)/_)_ / / / ' ' ' ======================================= Volume #0099 June 13, 1998 ======================================= Danny D. Thanx Thee Subject: Re: Stereo/Mono singles Sent: 06/12/98 3:41 am Received: 06/12/98 7:57 am From: Mark Easter, MCE1XXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com In a message dated 98-06-11 14:15:49 EDT, Javed writes: << I know in Canada most of the singles released till at least 1970 were in mono with the very rare stereo mixes. I have quite a few American pressings of singles from 1968 to 70 and some of these are in stereo. When did American companies start to release singles predominantly in Stereo? Some of the stereo songs on my recent Rhino comp include "Twelve Thirty" by the Mamas & Papas and "Lets Live For Today" by the Grassroots both of which are from 1967. My question is, were these songs released in both mono and stereo as singles or only stereo? I'm just surprised there were not more stereo versions on the Rhino comps. >> Well, it's funny you mention those two in particular, as those were both on Dunhill/ABC, who apparently ditched most of their mono tapes sometime in the early '70's. Thus, the reason you never get the original single versions of things like Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" with the very different lead vocal, or "I Saw Her Again" by the Mamas and the Papas on compilations (however, both of these appear on the recent Dick Bartley "On the Radio" comps on Varese, the former from a none-too-clean copy of the single, and the latter from a recently-found tape of an LP compilation of various Dunhill artists released in '67 or so). Many Dunhill mono single versions differ greatly, and are usually better mixed compared to the stereos. There are other songs on those sets, like the Lovin' Spoonful's "Six O'clock" which are in stereo as well for similar reasons; the mono's just aren't easy to turn up, or at least weren't at the time. I personally like those Summer of Love sets for the very reason (mono content) that some people don't, as for a long time they were the only way of getting a lot of songs in their original single versions (and still is in a few cases... Parade's "Sunshine Girl" comes to mind). As far as when stereo 45's started popping up, RCA was releasing stereo singles on Elvis and other artists in 1960, but other labels started releasing sporadic stereo singles (I love alliteration!) in '68 or so. The Millennium's "5 AM" 45 on Columbia is one of the earliest ones I've turned up. Other labels, like Motown, did nothing but mono singles up to '71. So, I'd say the turning point for more stereo than mono 45's was 1970, based on my own collection, anyway! Mark ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: Stereo/Mono Singles Sent: 06/12/98 10:02 am Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXrax.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com CC: Javed Jafri, jjaXXX@XXXgers.com Javed Jafri
commented on the SpectroPop List: >These posts about stereo mixes reminded me about the >disappointment I felt recently when I purchased two Rhino >comps. I think they were called "The Summer Of Love Vol. >1 & 2". I was disappointed to find that most of the mixes >were from the original singles and in mono. Out of the 32 >tracks only a few are in stereo. ------------------------ ------------------------ I had several conversations with Rhino compilation producer Bill Inglot about this stereo/mono issue in the late 1980s, and he told me that his philosophy was, "if the song has already been released 25 times in stereo, but has only rarely been released in mono, he would try to find the original mono single mix and put that out instead." In general, I think he's right, if -- and this is a big IF -- the stereo versions are already very widely available. The SUMMER OF LOVE series was a mid-line/budget release, and a quick check of the two volumes' contents reveals that everything on there has, in fact, been out many, many times on other CDs: Sunshine Company - "Back on the Street Again" (2:27 mono) Sonny & Cher - "The Beat Goes On" (3:24 mono) Donovan - "Epistle to Dippy" (3:09 mono) Harpers Bizarre - "The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)" (2:34 mono - single vers.) Marcia Strassman - "The Flower Children" (3:06 mono) Youngbloods - "Get Together" (4:39 mono - sl. hiss & d.o.'s) The Rascals - "Groovin'" (2:28 mono - single mix) Love Generation - "Groovy Summertime" (2:22 mono) Electric Prunes - "I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)" (2:58 mono) Strawberry Alarm Clock - "Incense and Peppermints" (2:47 mono) Peanut Butter Conspiracy - "It's a Happening Thing" (2:22 mono) Hollies - "King Midas in Reverse" (3:07 mono) Spanky & Our Gang - "Lazy Day" (3:05 mono) The Grass Roots - "Let's Live for Today" (2:47 stereo) Hombres - "Let It Out (Let It All Hang Out)" (2:08 mono) The Troggs - "Love Is All Around" (2:59 mono) Sagittarius - "My World Fell Down" (3:46 mono - ext. single vers.) The Box Tops - "Neon Rainbow" (2:54 mono) Cowsills - "The Rain, the Park & Other Things" (3:00 mono - single mix) Friend & Lover - "Reach Out of the Darkness" (3:16 mono) The Animals featuring Eric Burdon - "San Franciscan Nights" (3:23 mono) Scott McKenzie - "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)" (2:58 mono) The Lovin' Spoonful - "Six O'clock" (2:42 stereo) Parade - "Sunshine Girl" (2:43 mono - single mix) Rainy Daze - "That Acapulco Gold" (2:28 mono) Mamas & The Papas - "Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon)" (3:21 stereo) The 5th Dimension - "Up -- Up and Away" (2:39 mono) Procol Harum - "A Whiter Shade of Pale" (3:58 mono) The Association - "Windy" (2:54 mono) A few of the songs are known to be relatively rare in mono. (Heck, the Marcia Strassman track is pretty hard to find, period.) Some are _only_ out in mono, as far as I know, like The Troggs' "Love Is All Around." To me, this is one of these "the glass is not half-empty, it's half-full" deals. In other words, be glad to have the mono versions available as an alternative to the stereo that's been released on many other CD compilations. --MFW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= Marc Wielage | "The computerized authority =- -= MusicTrax, Ltd. | on rock, pop, & soul." =- -= Chatsworth, CA | XXX@XXXrax.com =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0098 Sent: 06/12/98 10:50 am Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXX@XXXe.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com I'm really sorry about all my confusion about "19th Nervous Breakdown", my brother borrowed that CD, and I haven't heard it in a awhile (I need to snag it back!)! Honestly, I would love to hear that song in stereo if anyone lands a copy of it. I just wonder if there are more 64-66 tracks that are lurking in the Polydor/Abkco vaults that were never released in true stereo, and I wonder if "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby" was ever released in stereo. We will probably never hear them.... Andrew Loog Oldham was a huge fan of Phil Spector (even tried to look like him) and always preferred mono over stereo. I remember reading a story in Musican Magazine about the release of the Abkco CD's, and he said that the stereo version of "Mothers Little Helper" on Hot Rocks Vol. 2 sounded like Herman's Hermits! The stereo mixes of "Satisfaction" and "Get off My Cloud" are very different sounding compared to the mono mixes. There are things that are up front in the mixes that are buried in the mono versions, such as the acoustic guitar and piano on "Satisfaction" and that very strange guitar lick played throughout "Get Off My Cloud"! I remember Dick Bartley playing a true stereo mix of The Chiffons "He's So Fine" on his "Solid Gold Saturday Night" radio show back in the 80's. But I have never found the stereo mix anywhere on CD! On the Angels "My Boyfriend's Back" CD that was released on Mercury a couple years ago, there is a version of "He's So Fine" with the same backing track with the Angels dubbed over. And its in true stereo! Billy   Billy G. Spradlin E-mail: bilXXX@XXXe.net ICQ:2039627   29 Rim Road Homepage: http://www.tyler.net/wildbill   Kilgore, Texas 75662 IRC: Wild`Bill in #Bob's_Tavern (Efnet)   ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Mono VS Stereo Sent: 06/12/98 10:59 am Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXX@XXXe.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Mono VS Stereo: The interesting thing with me is that grew up on the stereo versions of most 60's oldies via FM oldies radio and record company re-issues in the 70's-80's which used the stereo mixes (especially Motown). So when I hear a Mono 45 mix that sounds drastically different or has different balances of instruments it doesn't sound like the "real" version to me. I remember hearing the mono 45 mix of the Supremes "You Can't Hurry Love" and preferring the stereo mix most oldies stations play. Then again, I think the Beach Boys "Fun Fun Fun", The Hollies "Look Through Any Window", The Temptations "My Girl" are much better sounding in mono than the weaker stereo mixes. Any Comments? Billy G.   Billy G. Spradlin E-mail: bilXXX@XXXe.net ICQ:2039627   29 Rim Road Homepage: http://www.tyler.net/wildbill   Kilgore, Texas 75662 IRC: Wild`Bill in #Bob's_Tavern (Efnet)   ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Hey, Vaudeville! Sent: 06/12/98 4:33 pm Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am From: George Handlon, gXXX@XXXink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Spectropop List wrote: > >Marty Rudnick, mrudnXXX@XXXo.com wrote: > >>How about "Lady Godiva" by Peter & Gordon? > >/Marty > >I left this off my first post but there's also "Grizzly Bear" by the >Youngbloods which I think just "barely" cracked the Top 40 in early 1967. > >Javed > ----------------- Hey, Vaudeville! Well, my dad was on the 1935 Tour with the Major Bowes Amateur Troupe - up the East Coast into Canada and Midwest. Also on that tour were Billy Finegan (later of Sauter-Finegan fame) who was just out of High School - and knocking them dead with his young jazz band. Wyoming Jack OBrien, and Diamond Tooth Mary! (Later known as Diamond Teeth Mary - she only had one diamond in her teeth in 1935... and it was given to her by Major Bowes himself - to fill a cavity she had! Dad was billed as "John Jewell - the World's Greatest Banjo Player". He was playing adaptations of classical melodies on the Banjo, solo. (Orpheus in the Underworld, Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto, etc.) I still have his Tenor Gold-plated Vega Banjo. I really enjoyed the "Vaudeville" songs of the psychedelic 60s... & I think it really was put in motion by "Winchester Cathedral". One singer I've not seen mentioned - and he was the best: Harry Nilsson. How about, "Nobody Cares About the Railroads Anymore"? The Album "Pandemonium Shadow Show" was a revelation, as was "Aerial Ballet". "She Sang Hymns Out Of Tune", "1941", "Cuddly Toy". Also, "Daddy's Song", and "Good Old Desk". And, you may recall - "Mr. Bojangles" (Jerry Jeff Walker). Great music. ------------------------------------------------------------ George "Ojisan" Handlon -- gXXX@XXXink.net The Shonen Knife NeXuS - Los Angeles! http://home.earthlink.net/~gwiz/ShonenLA.html "Riding on the train, everyone is closing their eyes, They can't see anything, pretending they are asleep... Hey now, everybody open your eyes! Hey now, everybody look outside!" (Michie Nakatani - "Watchin' Girl") ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Close Your Eyes Sent: 06/13/98 3:33 pm Received: 06/13/98 3:46 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXX@XXXies.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com I wrote: >I personally think (Spector) did both Home of the Brave and >Close Your Eyes by Bonnie... Paul URbahns replied: >According to the producer of Home Of The Brave, the label >credit is correct, Spector didn't do it. > >The record credits Jerry Riopell as the producer. In an article >I saw a few years ago with him he took credit for the record. It >is not mentioned in Ronnie Spector's book at all. Does anybody >know who is singing on this gem? It is my understanding that Bonnie (of Bonnie and the Treasures) was in real life session singer Charlotte Maseny (sp?). Charlotte lived near Santa Monica and Vine, and as a regular at Gold Star recording dates, became nicknamed by Stan, Dave and the Gold Star staff as Charlotte O'Hara. I heard she died in her mid-30's from breast cancer. The similarities to Ronnie Spector are mostly in the tracks, not the voice. The rumor this was Ronnie must have spread from the suggestion in the liner notes on one of the UK Rare Masters albums. Brad Elliott wrote: >I thought it was fairly well accepted that "Things Are Changing" >featured a Spector-produced track. From...Collecting Phil Spector: > >"The ['Things Are Changing'] backing track...was produced by >Spector with Brain Wilson on piano...Jerry Riopelle recorded >the Blossoms over Spector's track..." Assuming the above is accurate, and I believe it is, Spector gave Riopell the production credit on work that Riopell had only marginally contributed to. This seems to have been the scenario on the Bonnie records as well. My theory goes something like this: Riopell met Bonnie hanging around the Gold Star scene and asked Phil about signing her. (Sort of like Bono did with Bonnie Jo Mason). Spector signed Bonnie with the idea of training Riopell how to make Philles-sounding records at her sessions. Phil was already shelving some of his own (fantastic) productions for fear of having his name credited as producer on a record that flopped, so he gave Riopell the production credit and issued the single on his boutique label Phi-Dan. Home of the Brave, a full blown wall of sound production, reached only #77 on the charts. Jody Miller's version rose to #25. Phil may have become disinterested in Bonnie after Home of the Brave failed to hit, which would help explain what happened next. On the afternoon of October 20, 1965, a group of musicians now referred to as the Wrecking Crew assembled at Gold Star studio for a Philles Records recording session. Philles employed Don Randi as session leader. Other musicians Philles employed that day were Harold Battiste, Gene Page, Al Casey, Carol Kaye, Julius Wechter, Frank Capp etc. Also on the session payroll were Jerry Riopell and one Phillip Harvey Spector. The song they cut for Philles that day was Close Your Eyes (Riopell/Zekley). Despite the above, Close Your Eyes was issued on Warner Brothers Records, credited as arranged and produced by Jerry Riopell under the "Fortune Productions" moniker. Does anyone know of other "Fortune Productions?" I suspect not, but please readers do tell of any other known releases under this banner. Philles Records paid for and owned that recording. We know Philles had Bonnie under contract because of the earlier Phi-Dan release of Home of the Brave, yet Bonnie's Close Your Eyes was issued on Warner Brothers. Either Spector sold the master to Warner Brothers/ Riopell, or else; Spector dropped Bonnie, and Riopell assembled nearly the same Wrecking Crew musicians and recut the same song at the same studio (Gold Star) for Warners. -- le_page_XXX@XXXies.com RodeoDrive/5030 ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: laurie chiffons vs. ace chiffons Sent: 06/13/98 1:49 am Received: 06/13/98 10:57 am From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXX2.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com A 30-track Chiffons best-of, on Ace, has been mentioned here. I myself have a 20-track best-of, on Laurie. Please, somebody with a heart, tell me that I'm not missing anything on the extra 10 songs. Otherwise I have to start digging around for yet another cd that I can't afford. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road, Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXX2.nj.us "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0098 Sent: 06/13/98 1:27 am Received: 06/13/98 10:57 am From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXX@XXXm To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com Javed wrote: << I'm just surprised there were not more stereo versions on the Rhino comps.>> Rhino has gotten mono mania the last few years, I don't buy anything on the label anymore. If it says in fine print on the back made from original singles masters then leave it there. I feel Rhino should mark MONO Cd's just that. There is no mono standard for cd's. Sony intended them to be stereo, otherwise a mono CD would have double the playing time of a stereo one. I feel if Rhino wants to give us the mono sound they should give us the 3 inch speaker to go with it. Don't want to sound like bad grapes but I don't like their labeling policy today and have been burned by too many Rhino purchases. Paul URbahns paulurbXXX@XXXm ====================[ archived by Spectropop ]==================== End
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