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Spectropop - Digest Number 993



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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Lemon Pipers
           From: Ron Sauer 
      2. Re: nnillssonn... what's the Point?
           From: Roger Smith 
      3. Re: Lemon Pipers
           From: Art Longmire 
      4. Re: Alder Ray / Bouquets
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      5. Re: Lemon Pipers
           From: John Fox 
      6. Re: Roy Orbison at MGM
           From: Art Longmire 
      7. Nilsson/Todd
           From: Alan Gordon 
      8. Re: The Lemon Pipers
           From: David Coyle 
      9. Badfinger
           From: Alan Gordon 
     10. It comes in threes...
           From: David Coyle 
     11. Re: R.I.P. Tony Jackson
           From: David Coyle 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:44:40 -0000
   From: Ron Sauer 
Subject: Re: The Lemon Pipers

David Coyle wrote:
> I don't know how many other Sabres became Lemon Pipers
> or whether it was a straight transition from one group
> to the other. 

Here is my memory of how Ivan Browne became a Lemon Piper:

Another local Southern Ohio group at the time was Tony and 
the Bandits.  They had a record on the Flo-Roe label called 
"A Bit of Alright."  They won a local "Battle of the Bands" 
winning a major label contract (Coral Records which reissued 
"Bit of Alright"), and an appearence on Shindig.  I believe 
the finals of the contest were broadcast locally during the 
Shindig time slot.  BTW, the band they beat was Carl Edmondson 
and the Driving Winds.  Carl produced Lonnie Mack, and 2 of Clubs.

A while after all that, Tony (whose full name slips my mind) 
left the Bandits and Ivan left the Sabres.  Ivan joined the 
Bandits and thay became the Lemon Pipers.  Tony joined the Sabres, 
and they kept the name of Ivan and the Sabres.  I believe Ivan 
and the Sabres later evolved into Sixth Day Creation and had a 
record on Laurie called "Cherry Pie".

That's what I remember.  I'm open for addition or correction. 
I tried to get verification of all of that from a local DJ. 
He said it sounded right but he couldn't remember. 

Ron



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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:56:27 -0400 From: Roger Smith Subject: Re: nnillssonn... what's the Point? > Where did you get your info, ma'am? The best place to learn any Nilsson news is the Harry Nilsson mailing list: http://www.harrynilsson.com/nilssonweb.html You can also visit the site at: http://www.harrynilsson.com/ Generally I have any news related to Nilsson on the front page. So you'd expect to find information about the Point DVD on the home page. But, since there's probably some legal wrangling going on over the DVD, I decided to avoid getting involved by simply removing all mention of the DVD and video from the web pages. > http://www.harryfest.com/article24623.html > There is a small amount of info concerning pre-orders > at this site, but that's all I could dig up. Ooops, I thought I had removed all mention of the DVD :-) In case you missed my previous message on the subject, Fred Wolf Films and Harry Nilsson's estate don't consider the Pacific Family Entertainment DVD and video tape to be legitimate. But BMG Special Products is working on a DVD of "The Point!" -- Roger -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:19:34 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Lemon Pipers Stewart Mason wrote: > Unlike the majority of Buddah albums, this one is actually > entirely listenable throughout. Ken Bell: > OUCH!! I think I felt my bubblegum POP! Can't tell you why > but even as an oldster, I still enjoy that good ole bubblegum > music. Chewy, chewy, chewy baby..... Hey, Ken I'm with you, I love bubblegum music and actually wish I had paid more attention to it when I was a kid! Only trouble is, I have lots of problems keeping the groups straight - who recorded what and so on. I've been reading the correspondence on the Ohio Express and still haven't figured whether there were one or two versions of Beg Borrow & Steal... I have a solo 45 by Joey Levine on the Earth label from about 1970 and wonder if he recorded an entire album. Although a full length LP with a voice as nasal as his might be a little hard on the ears... Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:40:07 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Re: Alder Ray / Bouquets John Clemente and all: Thanks for the input! I'm gonna hope that Tootie is Eva, just to settle my mind:-) And the Victorians: I always thought they were the Blossoms... Re the Dream Babies LP: this is great. Grab it !!!!!!!! ==Jimmy== -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:25:12 EDT From: John Fox Subject: Re: Lemon Pipers David Coyle: > I have a 45 on the Prism label (based out of Dayton, > OH) of Ivan and the Sabres, "Just Let Her Go" b/w > "It's Not Like You." Both very good mid-'60s > Beatlesque pop, but notable for being led by Ivan > Browne, who later sang on most of the Lemon Pipers > hits and album tracks. The voice is definitely the > same, although he added a little more vibrato and a > slightly higher pitch during the LP days. > I don't know how many other Sabres became Lemon Pipers > or whether it was a straight transition from one group > to the other. First of all, David, I have been looking for "Just Let Her Go" for a long time. Any chance of getting me a cassette of it? Please write me off-list. Now, about the Lemon Pipers - Ivan Browne came from Ivan & The Sabres (who actually continued for several years with that name but without him). The rest of the Lemon Pipers came from another area group (I think from Oxford/Miami University) called Tony and the Bandits, led by Tony Brazis. I have one of their singles on the Flo-Roe label, an incredible British Invasion thing called "It's a Bit of Alright". The Lemon Pipers took their name from Lemon-Monroe High School where some of them had gone. Bill Bartlett of the Lemon Pipers is still in the Cincinnati area. His band, Ram Jam, had a hit in the 70s or 80s with "Black Betty". Bob Nave (player of the green tambourine) remained a jazz disk jockey for many years. Tony Brazis went on lead a band called The Chosen Lot, which had a small local single called "Time Was" (David or anyone, if you have that one, the same offer applies). And I consider "Turn Around and Take a Look" (which did bubble under the Billboard Top 100) to be more progressive rock than bubble gum. As the Pipers went further into Buddah-land, they were bubble-gummed worse and worse. John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:04:33 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Roy Orbison at MGM Jeff Lemlich: > "Southbound Jericho Parkway" is a remarkable single. It's > pretty much a Neon Philharmonic record, but with Roy on vocals > instead of Don Gant. Gant moved to the producer's chair for > this one, while Tupper Saussy gets credit for the arrangement, > which sounds like it hopped off the first Neon Philharmonic > album Richard Hattersley: > Sounds like they were going after a bit of the "Macarthur Park" > market what with it being very long. > It's a fantastic record but realistically I don't know why MGM > thought it might be a hit. I wish record companies these days > were that willing to stick their neck out and put out such a non > commercial, albeit artistic, product. Hello Richard, I haven't heard the "South Jericho Parkway" record by Roy, and it sounds fascinating. I have both of the Neon Philharmonic LPs and never knew there was a connection with Roy Orbison. Also I'm a big fan of Webb's "Macarthur Park" and definitely am interested in records influenced by it (it always bugs me when people say that they hate this track!) The situation with Roy's MGM sides reminds me of a similar case with the late 60's work of the Everly Brothers-to me songs like "Bowling Green" and "Empty Boxes" and others from that period are some of their best work, but its their late 50's-early 60's stuff that gets all the attention. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:13:43 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Nilsson/Todd Michael Edwards wrote: > The most interesting was Barbara Lewis but it was a comment > by Mike Gibbins of Badfinger, referring to their song "Without > You" that was a #1 for Nilsson in 1971, that caught my eye. > A nice story when you consider the tragedies that befell some > of the members of that group! I'm glad they quoted Mike as opposed to Joey Molland. Unfortunately, especially for his own image, Joey likes to sorta take credit for co-writing the "Without You" hit, even though it was drafted as two distinct and separate songs by Tom Evans and Pete Ham - as the demos which have been officially released, "conclusively" show. It's most unfortunate in that Joey need not infer any writing talent by accrediting himself with "Without You", since some his songs are significant highlights of Badfinger's talented output... and just pretty darn creative too. There is a book being worked on about Joey and Badfinger by the same fellow that wrote: "A Dream Goes On Forever" about Todd Rundgren. I don't really have high hopes for it in that Joey is very involved and if it's anything like the Todd book... I don't like being this critical, but if you're a Rundgren fan, I would avoid "A Dream...". It's mostly a cut and paste job from all the interviews and articles about Todd and Utopia, over the years. I guess if you haven't read these articles, it's nice to have it all in one place, but the redundancy, bad spelling, crooked syntax, and just plain old horribly bad editing is hard to wade through. peace, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Lemon Pipers Until recently, the "Green Tambourine" album was available as a "Collectors Classic" CD reissue on the Buddah label, with one bonus track. Now, the Buddha label, a subsidiary of BMG, has "Best Of The Lemon Pipers," which combines tracks from both albums. Also, the British label Camden had a 20-track "Best-of" which also had songs from both albums. Pretty much the whole album has been available on CD for quite some time. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:59:33 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Badfinger Norman wrote: > A good book about Badfinger is by Dan Matovina (1997), 'Without > You, The Tragic Story of Badfinger'. Just as an aside: Dan is a good friend of mine, and a most honorable soul who wrote a very open-minded and exceedingly thorough account of the doings and misdoings of Badfinger and their close and not-so-close compatriots. The situation around the band's finances is a horrible example of the most criminal of rip-offs I've ever read. It's a very sad, but very good read. I heartily recommend this book to anyone who is a fan of Badfinger! I'm sure that the future publication written by Joey and friend (see previous post by yours truly) will be a bit one-sided, as Joey and his gal have taken every opportunity to slam Dan and his book. http://www.mindspring.com/~crimson3/ peace, albabe And now back to our regularly scheduled S'Pop adventures... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: It comes in threes... It's always morbid to think about, but just last night I was playing my copy of "The Glory Of Love: The 50s" in tribute to Ed Townsend, whose "For Your Love" appears on the disc. I checked my e-mail today to find out that Tony Jackson passed away, which means the inevitable spin of "The Searchers Pye Anthology," "Live At The Star-Club," "The Iron Door Sessions," or "The Swedish Radio Sessions." Not to mention Jackson's tracks with the Vibrations. Which leaves me to wondering, whose CD is going to end up in "R.I.P. rotation" next?? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: R.I.P. Tony Jackson This is sad, sad news indeed. I'm nearly at a loss for words as I've been a ravenous Searchers fan for about a decade. Two of my favorite members have been non-members since the '60s. Chris Curtis and Tony Jackson were both distinctive voices in the early days of the Searchers, and it was Tony's high-pitched vocals that cemented their harmonies and provided an instantly and interestingly recognizable lead on versions of songs such as "Twist And Shout" and "It's All Been A Dream." As unlikely as it would be, a semi-reunion, however shortlived, of Tony with the Searchers would have been a dream come true. His solo career yielded a number of Merseybeat classics too, such as his definitive version of "Bye Bye Baby" and his freakbeatish take on "Fortune Teller." If I'm not mistaken, isn't Tony the first of the classic Searchers lineup (and subsequent ones) to pass on? The Searchers have been extremely lucky, in an age where the Who and the Beatles are now down to two surviving members each. Tony's contribution to the Searchers and the Liverpool scene will never be forgotten. I only wish we had gotten to hear him rock out on "Let's Stomp" sooner. He will be missed. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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