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Spectropop - Digest Number 985

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Candymen (was Roemans)
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      2. Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
           From: Ken Bell 
      3. Re: Chuck Woolery: He's still got it!
           From: Clark Besch 
      4. Girl Group Article in Popular Music
           From: Paul Woods 
      5. Summer songs, The New Order
           From: Justin McDevitt 
      6. Patrice Holloway: She's Got Skills
           From: Stuffed Animal 
      7. Members; musica; U. P.; Mills/Miles; misc. 45's; Buddah stuff
           From: Country Paul 
      8. Beg, Borrow & Steal; Three Degrees
           From: Nick Archer 
      9. International Pop Overthrow
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     10. Re: Beg Borrow And Steal
           From: David Coyle 
     11. Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:59:45 -0000
   From: Jeff Lemlich 
Subject: The Candymen (was Roemans)

Bill Craig wrote:

> I think I heard something similar about The Candymen 
> (Georgia Pines) also on ABC Paramount I believe. Were 
> they not at one time Roy Orbison's backing Band? 

The Candymen started out in Dothan, Alabama as The Webs.   
Bobby Goldsboro was their original leader.  When Bobby decided 
to chase after honey and funny little clowns, the band took on 
Rodney Justo as their new singer.  Justo, from the west side of 
Tampa, had previously fronted a group called "Rodney & The 
Mystics", and had cut a 45 for the Sound Stage 7 label.

Roy Orbison took an interest in the band, and hired them as his 
backing group... at which time The Webs became The Candymen, 
named after Orbison's hit "Candy Man".   There is often 
confusion between the Candymen and Roemans, since the latter 
group was in a similar situation, having changed their name 
(ever so slightly) from the Romans to the Roemans when Tommy 
Roe came calling.   And of course, both groups are best known 
for their recordings on ABC.

The Candymen reverted to their original name for a one-off 
single for MGM, "People Sure Act Funny"/"You Pretty Fool".   
This was due to the ever-popular "contractual reasons".   

When the Candymen broke up, Justo joined the Tampa band "Noah's 
Ark" and sang on their 45 for Liberty.  Buddy Buie suggested he 
move to Georgia and sing for a studio group made up of Florida 
and Georgia garage band veterans (including a couple of other 
former Candymen).  That band became known as "Atlanta Rhythm 

Jeff Lemlich
The Limestone Lounge Florida Music Forum

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:14:53 -0500 From: Ken Bell Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal Paul Urbahns asked: > I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a > group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the > same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express. > Is that so, or are they two different recordings? It is the same song by different groups. I personally like the Ohio Express rendition the best, but probably because I heard it first. Noiro -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:44:10 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Chuck Woolery: He's still got it! Art Longmire wrote: > I heard about that show and actually wish I had caught it. I > have some of the solo singles Chuck Woolery did on Columbia > after he left the Avant Garde and they aren't bad. And I love > "Fly With Me"....... What's tough for me to imagine is Chuck > as a Kingston Trio-type folkie. The record I mentioned in an > earlier post by The Bordermen is a knockoff of the Kingston > Trio style and sounds very "college student"..... Art, yes, that opening to "Fly With Me' is great! They did indeed show the Avant Garde as the folkie group in mid 60s in a video clip, but talked over the sound, so couldn't make out the music. They did look like K Trio types! The show was apparently a 5 night reality/life of Chuck Woolery show. Funny, my buddy who taped the show (night 2 is what I got) said on last night he was divorcing his 3rd wife. Now, that's reality, I guess. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:03:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Paul Woods Subject: Girl Group Article in Popular Music Has anyone on this list read the following?: Author(s): Cyrus, C. Article Title: Selling an image: girl groups of the 1960s Journal Title: POPULAR MUSIC -CAMBRIDGE- ISSN:0261-1430 Year: 2003 Volume/Issue:VOL 22; PART 2 Page(s): 173-194 Publication frequency: Thrice yearly: 3 issues per year Where published: Great Britain Language: English Dewey Class: 781.63 LC Class: ML3469 I was alerted to its existence by the BL's ZETOC service. I must nip down to our public library, which I believe subscribes to the Popular Music journal! Wudzi -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:23:53 -0500 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Summer songs, The New Order Hello Spectropop, The off and on-again discussion over the last few weeks concerning summer songs hs prompted me to recall a few of my favorites, all of which are familiar: 1. Summer Song; Chad and Jeremy; (one of my top 10 favorites). 2. Summertime Blues; Eddie Cochran 3. Hot Fun In The Summertime; Sly and the Family Stone Regarding the New Order, can anyone on the list shed some light on this group. Didn't they back the Monkees on their 1st LP? Justin McDevitt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:59:46 -0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Patrice Holloway: She's Got Skills What is it about Patrice Holloway that makes her recordings so damn special? Mick Patrick was kind enough to share some Patrice recordings with me recently, and I was stunned by each and every performance ... "For The Love Of Mike" ... "Lucky, My Boy" .... "The Touch Of Venus" .... "Ecstasy" ... "Do The Del Viking" ... "Stolen Hours" (a copy of which recently sold for over $200 on eBay) ... "Black Mother Goose" ... even on "Those DJ Shows," a tune I was not at all impressed with when I heard the Diana Ross and The Supremes version. There wasn't a clunker in the bunch and her incredible vocals are the reason why. Her singing voice has magic in it ... I'd describe it as a little girl squeal with a touch of smoky sophistication. Brenda Lee has better vocal quality, Connie Francis has better technique, Dionne Warwick has more gospel training, Dusty Springfield is more sophisticated, Darlene Love is more powerful, and La La Brooks conveys more drama ... but when Patrice sings, it sounds like she's got pure emotion welling up in her throat. What exuberance! The girl's got skills. She's irresistible on record ... absolutely my favorite female vocalist!!! Stuff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:11:51 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Members; musica; U. P.; Mills/Miles; misc. 45's; Buddah stuff S'pop team: > ...on the subject of musica, Yahoo appear to have introduced > quotas limiting the amount of files that can be downloaded > in one session. I believe the number is 10, more than are in the musica file - or does that include articles and photos as well? Team again; > membership has recently crept above 1000 Amazing! Congratulations to everyone - and here's to the new folks helping to keep the quality high! David Young: > I'd like to celebrate both that and Ronnie's August 10th > birthday by sharing the rare mix of "Paradise" found on > an instantly deleted 1989 Japanese Spector box set. Much appreciated, sir! What a lush, rich deep mix! Mike Edwards: > [1961's] "Moon Guitar" by the Rangoons (now playing in musica) > was recorded earlier and has a Duane Eddy-lite flavor to it. > I love it when the sax kicks in. Very nice, too, but in my head I hear it with the "bite" of the real Duane's guitar and the Sharps' backing vocals. Andrew Jones: > ...The Fantastics (not the "Hit Records" soundalike "group," > but a band from Northern Michigan University). Is this the doowop group that had "Dancing Doll" on UA in the early 1960s? Andrew again: > And here are some of the labels: ....Princeton (Marquette, MI). > ....Nuggett (Tennessee). Was this the same Princeton that had "Summer's Love" by Tony Rice (1962) and "I" by the Veneers? And I know Nugget was a pretty deep country label from Goodlettsville, TN. So who was the U.P. country artist? Austin Powell, interesting story re: "Look for a Star." I have the Gary Mills version on Imperial, which has a Part 1 and Part 2, both 2:09 in duration. Can't get to the turntables at the moment; was one vocal and one instrumental? Paul Urbahns: > I spoke with Buzz Cason about 20 years ago about that > and he said the record company not only copied the other > guy's song, but his name too! As I remember, the Mills version has a big organ wash before the title, and the Miles [Cason] version did something more subtle. I used to have the Miles version, but it too has "walked away." Also, tripped over the following while searching for the above, and am looking for info: The Moon Stones (Dolton 70, 1963) - Love Call (wr. Dick Glasser, Camarillo Music, BMI) - My True Love (wr. Don Wilson-Bob Bogle, Dobo Pub., BMI) both pr: Bob Reisdorff, a Blue Horizon Production (I love the "A" side - 12-string acoustic-driven track, sorta spacy chant, almost folky-psych, especially for 1963) Michael Dominico (Genius 45-2101-V, 1963) - Born to Wander (wr. Peterson, Saturday, BMI) The Moon Surfers - Surfin on the Moon (wr. Crewe-Gaudio, Saturday, BMI) both pr. Bob Crewe, arr.-cond. "Calello" (different artist each side; can't check it out at the moment, but the "family ties" are obvious. Anyone with more info on this? Incidentally, the "V" in the record number indicates distribution by London Records, but the label clained "Dist. by Independent Producers Group, Inc.") The Midnight Mail featuring Jim Webb (Audio Arts! [their "!," not mine] 60,003, 10/18/66; dist. Amy-Bell-Mala) - I Can't Get It (wr. Jim Webb, Madelon, BMI) - I Can't Quit (wr. Jim Webb, Madelon, BMI) both eng. James Hilton; no prod. listed (where, how, and with whom does this fit into Mr. Webb's legacy?) Paul Urbahns: > I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a > group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the > same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express. > Is that so, or are they two different recordings? If memory serves me well, I believe they are one and the same. Did the same personnel make it over to Buddah? I also seem to remember that the Ohio Express/Rare Breed and perhaps the Lemon Pipers were the only "real bands" among Buddah bubblegum artists - the rest were studio creations. Or am I misinformed? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Beg, Borrow & Steal; Three Degrees Paul Urbahns: > I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a > group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the > same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express. > Is that so, or are they two different recordings? I have the Rare Breed CD that came out on I think Collectables. I also have the original LP of the Ohio Express, and it's not the same performance. Mike Rashkow: > No one, in my time with this group, has mentioned The Three > Degrees. Wonderful girls group out of Philly .... I always thought that the Three Degree's version of "Maybe" on Roulette was one of the most scorching pop singles ever recorded. You need a James Brown towel after just listening to it. "No, No, Not Again" by the Three Degrees is also a great song with some interesting chord changes. (Available on the Warner Bros. CD comp "60s Girl Groups") Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:30:23 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: International Pop Overthrow Some of you may know that the IPO is coming to Europe for the first time after five or six successful years Stateside in NY, LA and Chicago. David Bash is staging it at The Cavern from 13th to 19th October, and it is sure to create some waves. Perhaps of most interest here is the (probably) Saturday night reunion of Harmony Grass and maybe even Tony Rivers and The Castaways (who I last saw in 1966!), but there are an amazing number of other bands/acts playing for the UK, the US, and all over Europe - all with good pop on their minds. For more details, check out Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Beg Borrow And Steal "Beg Borrow And Steal" by the Rare Breed and the Ohio Express are one and the same. The original single was released on the Attack label in 1966. It was recorded by an obscure New York area band, and produced by future bubblegum impresarios Jeff Katz and Jerry Kasenetz. The story is that the original group was unwilling to go in the direction Kasenetz and Katz were wanting to head. "Beg Borrow And Steal," with its "Louie Louie" chord progression and snotty teenagey vocals is enough of a driving garage-type record, but one only need to listen to most everything else the duo produced to see why the Rare Breed were hesitant to carry on with the production team. Anyway, when the Rare Breed severed their ties with the Super K team, another band was hired to tour and promote the record. That band was a Mansfield, Ohio group called Sir Timothy and the Royals, who were rechristened the Ohio Express. The "Beg Borrow And Steal" single was duly reissued on the Cameo label with the new band name. There was no rerecording or overdubbing, and it doesn't sound like it was remixed. The Royals were allowed to record some of their own compositions on the Cameo LP that bore the name of the hit single, and they sounded enough like the band that had recorded "Beg Borrow And Steal," that I'm sure nobody at their gigs doubted it was the same guys. To further cloud things up, a couple tracks on the LP were recorded by another Ohio band, the Weasels, whose main claim to fame is having Joe Walsh as guitarist. By the time of the Ohio Express's next LP, an eponymous release on the Buddah label, Kasenetz and Katz had already recruited studio musicians to play on the hit singles. The story goes that Joey Levine had submitted "Yummy Yummy Yummy" (which had previously been turned down by Jay and the Techniques, the Turtles, and the Express's Mansfield rivals the Music Explosion) as a demo, with his voice only intended as a guide vocal. Inexplicably, Kasenetz and Katz flipped over Levine's nasal delivery and released it as an Ohio Express single. Now, not only did Sir Timothy and the Royals have to promote two records they'd had nothing to do with, they had to replicate a sound that was unlike their normal repertoire. Begrudgingly they went out on the road, with various Royals taking their turns as the voice of Joey Levine. The upside was that they had been able to write and record songs on the album, which by now had become more psychedelic, or in the words of some music wag "bad Procol Harum ripoffs." It was the last hurrah of Sir Timothy and the Royals, as little by little members of the touring band were replaced by studio hacks, to the point where one Ohio Express single was recorded by England's 10cc! Hearing a new Ohio Express single on the radio that the touring band hadn't even been approached with yet was the final straw. Whatever happened to the Rare Breed? Nobody really knows. The Ohio Express soldiered on until the turn of the '70s, trying to go the hard rock route, scorned by those who remembered them as kings of bubblegum pop. Fortunately, the Ohio Express is back on track, with "original" drummer "Sir" Tim Corwin on lead vocals, doing his best Joey Levine, at peace with a past that brought him more fame for a time than his former band might ever have had, and feeding on the baby-boomer nostalgia that has seen bubblegum music regain a cult following. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:04:05 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal Paul Urbahns wrote: > I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a > group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the > same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express. > Is that so, or are they two different recordings? "Beg Borrow & Steal" was originally recorded on Attack records by Super-K Productions (Kazenetz/Katz) by the Rare Breed in 1966. But when the group split from the company, the producers decided to put it out on Cameo. I wonder what those guys in the Rare Breed thought when it became a national hit! Rhino didnt even mention it being reissued as the Ohio Express when they included it on the Nuggets box, I guess to escape the wrath of Alan Klein. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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