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Spectropop - Digest Number 982



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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Question on The Groop
           From: Art Longmire 
      2. Valley of the Dolls
           From: Matt Howell 
      3. Sire discography
           From: Doug 
      4. Re: Roemans; Connie Francis; John Kongos; Dennis Wilson; more
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      5. Mea Culpa Sorta
           From: David Feldman 
      6. More news and notes
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Re: Laura Nyro
           From: David Feldman 
      8. changes @ yahoo - fyi
           From: Country Paul 
      9. John Kongos - Three Degrees
           From: Eddy Smit 
     10. Roemans
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     11. Re: Jaedes Album 1969
           From: Frederick Blackmon 
     12. "Stoney End" request
           From: Frank Youngwerth 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:49:33 -0000
   From: Art Longmire 
Subject: Question on The Groop

Thanks, Keith, for posting the album contents for the Groop -
I've got to try to track down my 45 by the band-god knows 
where it is!

I noticed that a majority of the songs were written by 
Jeffrey Comanor. That name seemed familiar to me and, as I 
recall, Comanor wrote several songs for the Fifth Dimension 
on their "Stoned Soul Picnic" LP ("Bobbie's Blues" and "The 
Sailboat Song"). He wasn't a member of this group by any 
chance, was he? Probably not, but I'm curious!

Checking the internet, I found his website (Comanor is now 
a doctor and children's author) and it did mention that he 
contributed songs to the Midnight Cowboy film, but the article 
didn't go into any detail about his musical career.

Thanks for the tip-off that Aileen Thomas went under another 
name while with The Groop-I found it interesting that the group 
members weren't aware of an album of their material being issued 
back in 1969.

Art Longmire



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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:37:27 -0000 From: Matt Howell Subject: Valley of the Dolls I may be wrong, but I think there were some questions on here some time back regarding the availability of the soundtrack to 'Beyond the Valley of the Dolls'. I was browsing for 60s EuroSpy/SuperHero movies at http://www.trashpalace.com/new.htm and saw they are selling a recent version on CD and gatefold vinyl. Matt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:49:08 -0000 From: Doug Subject: Sire discography All this talk about Sire made me go dig out my back issues of Who Put The Bomp (or just Bomp! later on), to find the story they ran on the Sire label in issue #20 (January 1979). I was going to type out the (nearly complete) discography, but it's too big. So I think I'll just list the different series numbers and who distributed them at the time of release. These are supposed to be in chronological sequence. 4101 to at least 4121 (distributed by London) 350 to at least 358 (distributed by Polydor) 5001 to at least 5003 (distributed independently) 701 to 713 (distributed by Famous Music) 714 to at least 746 (distributed by ABC) 1001 to 1032 (the latest release at the time) (distributed by WB) A few of the labels early highlights: 4101 to 4121 - includes the Strangloves, Freddie Cannon and the Nebraska band the Rumbles LTD. with "Push Push", a great bubblepunk tune. "Honey Do" by the Strangeloves, the second release by the label (#4102), made #120 on the Bubbling Under charts on 11/23/68. 350 to 358 - the Mixtures "Pushbike Song" (#350), which made #44 in 1971. 5001 to 5003 - the previously mentioned "Somethings Gone" by the Jam (not, of course, the later UK punk band). 701 to 713 - some Cliff Richard singles and the labels first big hit "Hocus Pocus" (#704) by Focus, which made #9 in 1973. 714 to 746 - singles by Renaissance, Chilliwack, Stackridge and their next big hit, "Couldn't Get It Right" (#736) by the Climax Blues Band, which made #3 in 1977. Also in this group were the first singles by the Ramones, the Talking Heads and a Flamin' Groovies classic, "I Can't Hide." 1001 to 1032 - Mostly "new wave" by this point, with releases by the Ramones, the Talking Heads, Richard Hell, Radio Birdman, the Dead Boys, the Tuff Darts, Plastic Bertrand, etc. A great, long running record label! Doug -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:33:18 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Roemans; Connie Francis; John Kongos; Dennis Wilson; more Phil Milstein: > I've never heard his "Pacific Ocean Blue" album. Is any of > it half as good as "Lady"/"Fallin' In Love"? Is it available > on CD? It was issued by CBS/Epic back in the early 90's along with all of the Brother catalog. I found my copy at a Camelot Record discount bin for 4.99! Excellent album. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:35:03 -0400 From: David Feldman Subject: Mea Culpa Sorta Susan wrote: > Janis Ian with "Society's Child" and all that came after? David Feldman: > I knew someone would bring up Janis Ian! Yes, Janis was younger > than Laura Nyro, but I don't think there's any comparison in the > quality of the music or the sophistication. Bill Craig: > I'm with you David. Taking nothing away from Janis Ian, I can't > think of too many artists of any age who seamlessly synthesized > their influences (Girl Groups, Doo-wop, Soul, Jazz) and created > a completely unique musical and lyrical universe, the way that > Laura did. I apologize to all if my comments about Janis Ian seemed harsh. No one complained, but when I saw my post in print, *I* found it annoying. DF, who still hasn't figured out how to picnic (I confess) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:50:39 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: More news and notes Re: "I'm Into Something Good": I always preferred the Earl-Jean version - sly, sexy, and perfect chord change in the chorus on "told him I could". The Hermits were just too darned clean for the song! (Of course, they did have their strengths - "My Reservation's Been Confirmed" rocks with the best of 'em, for example.) Michael Coxe wrote about the Twinn Connexion. Any chance of a track showing up on musica? Speaking of musica, I love the Billy Mitchell track ["You Know I Do"]. What drugs was Jeff Barry on? :-) It's insane, but wonderful. Obviously not a hit, but way cool anyway. When you get a chance, Stuff, can you please play "Short Skirts" as well? Also, Eddie Rambeau's "Summertime Guy" is super - should've been up there in Hitland with Freddy Cannon's "Palisades Park". Steve Harvey: > Safaris - Summer Nights (I thought it was the surf band, but > it was doo wop).... > Shelby Flint - Angel On My Shoulder promo The Safaris had "Image Of a Girl" and the follow-up, "Girl With The Story In Her Eyes." A promo of "Angel"? Wow! I LOVE this song! Has Shelby Flint ever been discussed in these pages? Noiro: > I have their LP entitled "Brute Force". It is a one man band > and all of the LP is pretty much the same type song. It is > OOP and not on CD to the best of my knowledge. Adding to Rat Pfink's comments, "our" Brute Force is one man, Steven Friedland. More info at www.brutesforce.com. There's a band with the same name about whom I know nothing who had one album that I know of; I only heard of them in the confusion of tracking down Mr. Force - er, Friedland, who is alive and well and living in NYC. Steve Harvey: > I have a single somewhere by someone I never heard of on a > label with an Indian beating a drum on the top, same label > as the Murmaids single, I think. That would be Chattahoochee. I've always been curious about that label. Who owned it? What else did they have out? How many releases? I know about The Midnighters, of course. I also have a great two-sided 45 by Bobby Paris on the label, "Little Miss Dreamer" and "Who Needs You?" The former is a gorgeous doo-wop ballad with girl-group backing, the later a sterling rocker with a false-fade end a la the Contours' "Do You Love Me". More on John Kongos. First, Norman: > Should anybody be interested two great sites to go to: "South > African Rock Digest" at http://www.sarockdigest.com/ and "South > African Rock Encyclopaedia" at http://www.rock.co.za/ - In the > Encyclopedia you will see some "groovy" pics of Johnny Kongos > and the G Men (three of the four members are bespectactled a le > Buddy Holly). Very cool sites - surfed around both sites a while. If you're short on time, the direct URL for Kongos is http://www.new.co.za/~currin/jkongos_index.htm - Some of the album of covers are true "classics," dated even for the time! Other notes: apparently Happy Mondays covered "Step On" (under that name). I also remember a US release on Scepter of "I Love Mary," an earlier track credited to John T. Kongos. Anyone know why he stopped recording and what he's doing now (if he's even still alive)? Michael Gessner: > I've been a Blackwells fan since I heard "You Took Advantage > Of Me". What's the story with this group? Can anyone post "You > Took Advantage of Me", it's a terrific song. I'm curious about them, too. I have a gorgeous Fleetwoods-like track by them on Guyden, "Oh My Love." Off for a day or two - back soon, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:54:45 -0400 From: David Feldman Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Stuart Miller, writing about Eli & the Thirteenth confession, said: > The fact that Laura did the background voices herself > presented technical problems in recording because it was an > 8-track that was used and there was worry that there wouldn't > be enough space. The tracks were mixed to another 8 track > and the overdubs were done on the slave and then bounced > back to the master. And it was done manually as there were > no syncing devices then. Thanks so much for all that information, Stuart. Considering the fact that I've probably played this album more than any other one in my collection except for Pet Sounds, I know remarkably little about the recording of it, so I'd love to hear anything else you can share. For example, what was the role of Roy Halee in the recording and conceptualization of the album? It may be completely a coincidence, especially insofar as Halee's reputation is more as an engineer than a "big vision" producer, that he seemed to be around right at the point when some major artists, such as Bob Dylan (Highway 61), S&G (Bookends), & Laura Nyro (Eli) were making breakthrough records. Is Halee at all responsible for the huge change in sound of BS&T's second album? Those *were* different times. I assume that many of the artists, especially those oriented toward live performance, might have been more prone to defer to engineers and producers then, but that might not be true. I believe that Halee and Laura Nyro had a falling-out during the recording of Tendaberry, right? DF, who has trouble picnicking, and hasn't even tried to Gibson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 01:20:46 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: changes @ yahoo - fyi We'll be right back to music after this message: Yahoo Groups has instituted changes in the files/photos sections of their/our groups. I don't know who is affected by this, but the info is here: http://help.yahoo.com/groups/groups-56.html We now return to our regularly scheduled programming. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:16:51 +0200 From: Eddy Smit Subject: John Kongos - Three Degrees Country Paul: > John Kongos' backing band on the album had a lot in common with > Elton John's: Caleb Quaye, Roger Pope, Ray Cooper, Dave Glover. > Backing vocals: Sue & Sunny. Guest appearance by Ralph McTell They were of course brought along by Gus Dudgeon, who was already producing Elton at the time. Except for somebody from Down Under, I didn't see any comments on the success (?) of the 3 Degrees Dirty Old man. And since it apparently didn't chart in the UK, I was wondering what it had done in the States... Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:57:31 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Roemans Catching up too.... Michael Gessner: > Does anyone have any of the ABC singles by The Roemans? Yes, I'm pretty sure I have one - let me know offlist the title you are searching and I'll see what I can find in the inner sanctum. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:54:04 -0400 From: Frederick Blackmon Subject: Re: Jaedes Album 1969 Simon White: > This is interesting - there's a 45 - "Hotter Than Fire" on > CHERRY RED 144 - by The Jades and the Northern scene always > says it's The Commodores! > Does this mean (gulp!) they're WRONG!!?? To Simon, Thanks for the inquiry about the song "Hotter Than Fire". It was not my group. My group spelled its name "Jaedes" WE did not record that song. Thanks again it was good to hear from you. Frederick Blackmon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:23:14 EDT From: Frank Youngwerth Subject: "Stoney End" request Talking of "Stoney End", I wonder if anyone's in a position to play to musica Laura's song as done by the Blossoms, or Peggy Lipton. Frank Youngwerth -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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