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Spectropop - Digest Number 980

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Three Degrees
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      2. The Groop, The Avant Garde
           From: Art Longmire 
      3. Re: Laura Nyro
           From: Bill Craig 
      4. Simon White's Metropolitan Soul Playlist 3rd August 03
           From: Simon White 
      5. Buzz Cason/Garry Miles/The Groop
           From: Norman 
      6. Re: Sire
           From: Andrew Jones 
      7. Laura Nyro
           From: Stuart Miller 
      8. Re: Jam's "Pigeon"
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      9. Re: Battle of the Teenage Stars
           From: Stewart Mason 
     10. Janis Ian, Sire, Groop
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     11. Re: The Groop, The Avant Garde
           From: Keith D'Arcy 
     12. Jam (on Bell) / Jam (on Sire)
           From: Michel Gignac 


Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:07:54 EDT
   From: Mike Rashkow 
Subject: Re: The Three Degrees

Bob Rashkow writes:
> Rashkovsky, when were you doing sound for them?

I was the button pusher on one session they did in Studio A 
at Bell sound. Don't remember the details.  I'm pretty sure 
it was Leon Huff that came in with them.

I do remember them coming in at various times to do BG.  
That's it. 

I've got CRAFT disease.

Rashkovsky (your cuz)

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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:23:50 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: The Groop, The Avant Garde Keith mentioned the Groop, who recorded an LP for Bell records - I once corresponded via e-mail with a member of the band, and am interested in finding out more about their LP. The woman I spoke with is named Aileen Thomas and she is now married to Elkin Thomas, who along with Chuck Woolery (of game show host fame) was the prime mover in the Avant Garde. I'm sure most people on the board have heard the Avant Garde's "Naturally Stoned". They currently tour and record as a folk duo. When I spoke with Aileen, she said that she was surprised that anyone remembered the music of she and her husband's old groups. I told her that I had a 45 by the Groop (I think it's on United Artists - a selection from the "Midnight Cowboy" movie) and that I had a 45 by her husband's first group, the Bordermen, who also included Chuck Woolery. I told her that I thought the Bordermen record was brilliant and to let Elkin know! By the way, if anyone has heard of this record (it's called "Anna" on the CEO label) please let me know - I always thought it was a real obscurity, but it's one of my all time favorite tracks. I also have always liked "Naturally Stoned" - it's a classic! Elkin and Aileen Thomas have a website and the bio posted there mentions these groups - Best, Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:30:49 -0000 From: Bill Craig Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Susan wrote: > Janis Ian with "Society's Child" and all that came after? David Feldman: > I knew someone would bring up Janis Ian! Yes, Janis was younger > than Laura Nyro, but I don't think there's any comparison in the > quality of the music or the sophistication. I'm with you David. Taking nothing away from Janis Ian, I can't think of too many artists of any age who seamlessly synthesized their influences (Girl Groups, Doo-wop, Soul, Jazz) and created a completely unique musical and lyrical universe, the way that Laura did. Bill Craig I can surrey, and occasionally picnic. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:57:16 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Simon White's Metropolitan Soul Playlist 3rd August 03 Some items of interest to Spectropoppers here I think - you know it makes sense! Early Bird Satellite - Andre Brasseur - Pallette Just Trying To Please You - Jimmy Thomas - Mirwood What Kind Of Man - Marva Whitney - King How - The Masqueraders - Grapevine Starting The Hurt All Over Again - Brenda Holloway - Motown I.O.U. - Johnny Caswell - Champion (bootleg!) My Baby's Been Cheating (I Know) - AC Reed - Goldmine Cd 150 "Allnighter Vol 2" I Aint Going For That - Inez And Charlie Foxx - Dynamo New Guy - The Dynells - Constellation Stop, Look And Listen - E. Lois Foreman - Sureshot Challenge My Love - Tobi Lark - Kent CD 177 'Dave Hamiltons Detroit Dancers Vol 2' Not My Girl - The Platters - Kent Album 69 'No No No No No..'. Heart broken Memories - Sheila Ferguson - Kent CD 120 'Swans Soul Sides' Think It Over - The Chesterfields - Grapevine 2k A Little Bit Of Something - Little Richard - Columbia That's A Good Idea - Grover Mitchell - Vee Jay If You Wanna - Baby Jean - Stacey Call His Name - Christine Kittrell - King Let Your Conscience Be Your Guide - Little Walter Hammond - Duo Disc Jealous Heart - Pookie Hudson - Double L Chills And Fever - Ronnie Love - Dot Hold Me In Your Arms - Eddie Holman - Grapevine 2k Angel Baby - Garland Green - Uni Bet You Never Thought - Gene Chandler - Constellation I Don't Need It - Barry White - Del Fi Cd 71255 'Boss Soul - The Genius Of Barry White' This Won't Change - Lester Tipton - Grapevine Shing A Ling - The Cooperettes - Brunswick Magic Touch - Melba Moore - Kent CD 146 'Kent's Magic Touch'. This Old Heart Of Mine - Donnie Elbert - Mojo Why Don't You Let Yourself Go - Mary Wells - 20Century California Montage - Young Holt Unlimited - Bruswick No More Room In My Heart - Saundra Edwards - Bestway CD 'Northern Soul Memories Vol 3' No Turning Back - Shelly Black - Castle CD 291 'On The Real Side - The Modern End of Northern Soul' Written On The Wall - The Invitations - Dynovoice Do You Believe In Love At First Sight - Dionne Warwick - Warner Brothers Raincoat in The River - Sammy Turner - Big Top Bring Back My Heart - Dee Sharp Night - Dee Dee Sharp - Cameo You Need Me - Lewis Sisters - V.I.P. In The Cold Light Of Day - Gene Pitney - Musicor Rilleah! - Marvin Gaye and Oma Page - Spectrum CD 067016-2 'Motown Connoisseueurs Vol 2' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:14:54 +0930 From: Norman Subject: Buzz Cason/Garry Miles/The Groop Hi Spectroppers, Look For A Star A message from my brother extolling his latest acquisitions included the Garry Miles version of Look For A Star. He asked if I knew of this bloke. I was excited! After giving him the rundown on Buzz Cason he invites me to have a look at the record when I visit next. Well, my excitement was two fold when I discovered he actually had an Extended Play with a decidedly dapper Buzz Cason on the cover. Look For A Star - Garry Miles and the Statues Look For A Star/Wishing Well/I Miss You So/Afraid of Love Produced by Snuff Garrett Liberty LSX 1005 Anyway, I would like to share the bio on the back cover with Spectroppers. "Garry Miles got his start in show business about four years ago by pantomiming records, and later singing , on a Nashville Tennessee television station. He also spent about two years working with a band called The Casuals. The group backed such outstanding names as Jerry Lee Lewis, Fabian and Brenda Lee. Although he plays piano and drums, Garry's main interest is singing. His first hit record, Look For A Star, is featured in this album. He is backed by The Statues, Hugh Jarrett and Richard Williams, also from Nashville - center of the recording and music business in the South" re: The Groop (from Down under) Interesting to see the list of who has been a member of the Australian Groop. Brian Caine (aka Brian Cadd), Ronnie Charles, Don Mudie and Max Ross among a few. Both Cadd and Charlies have worked considerable periods overseas. Probably the most unusual song this outfit recorded was the 1966 side "Best In Africa", although I doubt the line-up at that time included Cadd, Charles or Mudie. Their success came with Woman You're A Breaking Me and Such a Lovely Way in 1967 and 68 respectively. Incidentally, Cadd, Mudie and Ross were used instrumentally on the Australian epic "The Real Thing" by Russell Morris, and I believe Ronnie Charles is featured vocally somewhere amongst the cacophony. Ronnie Charles recorded an album in London in the 1970's titled "Prestidigitation" that included a interesting version of Free's Wishing Well. Cheers Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Re: Sire I used to have The Mixtures' "Pushbike Song" single on Sire (US), and I remember the word "Polydor" was right next to the Sire logo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:22:55 +0100 From: Stuart Miller Subject: Laura Nyro Dave, I couldn't agree more with your comments about Laura Nyro. Specifically in relation to "Eli", Laura did all the background vocals herself. She had rehearsed the parts beforehand with "singers" (I don't know whether it was The Blossoms or The Hi Fashions) but this was more in preparation for live performances than the recording. The fact that Laura did the background voices herself presented technical problems in recording because it was an 8 track that was used and there was worry that there wouldn't be enough space. The tracks were mixed to another 8 track and the overdubs were done on the slave and then bounced back to the master. And it was done manually as there were no syncing devices then. Laura did a demo of "Eli" first and it's interesting to see that with the obvious dearth of new material, some of those demo cuts have been finding their way out on compilations over the last few years. And as a "no use to anyone" bit of information, the drummer on the sessions, Artie Schroek, had never done a drum session in his life before that one. Stuart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:43:54 -0700 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: Jam's "Pigeon" Michel: > I think that your impression is quite right. In Jerry Osborne's > book "Rockin' Records", he puts Jam's single on Sire in 1968. > When I first saw that you had uploaded some music by Jam from > 1972, I thought this was the same Jam who released "Pigeon" in > 1971. I have not heard "Pigeon" since 1971 when a snippet of it > was played at American Bandstand I think. If somebody owns that > single and wants to play it to musica or sell it to me, it would > be fantastic! It's there now. Enjoy! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:38:22 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Battle of the Teenage Stars Dave Feldman wrote: >I knew someone would bring up Janis Ian! Yes, Janis was younger >than Laura Nyro, but I don't think there's any comparison in the >quality of the music or the sophistication. But then Laura Nyro >is my favorite solo singer-songwriter ever. I can't think of any >other teenager in the "rock era" capable of producing masterpieces >like "Poverty Train" or "The Confession." I believe Kate Bush was all of 18 or 19 when her debut album THE KICK INSIDE was released (she'd signed to EMI when she was 16), and while she did even better work later on, this album is still quite remarkable. As much as I love Laura Nyro, I'd put "The Man with the Child in His Eyes", "Them Heavy People" and "Wuthering Heights" against any of Laura's stuff any day. S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:44:00 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Janis Ian, Sire, Groop I knew that Sire Records existed in the late sixties but didn't know they started in '66 or that they had such a long subsidiary history. Before they established themselves as a $-making label with Renaissance, Climax Blues Band and the like, there apparently were some very obscure rock albums. Mixtures ("Pushbike Song") were on there too? Always loved that one, great summertime record! Artie Wayne, there is no end to your good, hard work! Let's just say I wax poetic about Janis Ian's first 2 LPs and "At 17" (post-Wayne hit?) and am searching for the third and fourth LPs for more of her brilliant music and lyrics. (Shadow Morton was one of the "celebs" I tried and failed to correspond with!) The Groop contributed to the MIDNIGHT COWBOY soundtrack. Was that the Bell band or the Australians? Suspect the former. Also I believe this was their last gasp before disbanding. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:42:15 -0400 From: Keith D'Arcy Subject: Re: The Groop, The Avant Garde Art Longmire wrote: > Keith mentioned the Groop, who recorded an LP for Bell records > - I once corresponded via e-mail with a member of the band, > and am interested in finding out more about their LP. The woman > I spoke with is named Aileen Thomas and she is now married to > Elkin Thomas, who along with Chuck Woolery (of game show host > fame) was the prime mover in the Avant Garde. Hey Art, Right you are... Susan Musmanno of Groop fame changed her name to Aileen Thomas (which is her middle name combined with her married name, I think). She and her husband Elkin Thomas met while backing Leonard Cohen, apparently. They're still a going concern on the folk circuit. Here's the track listing for the Groop LP: Side One 1. A Famous Myth (Jeffrey Comanor) 2. I Try To Think Of You When I Can (Edward Millis) 3. The Continental (Herb Magidson/Con Conrad) 4. Blustery Day (Edward Millis) 5. Goin' Back (Gerry Goffin/Carole King) 6. Time Fire (Jeffrey Comanor) note: this may be listed as "Bright Fire" on the masters Side Two 1. The Jet Song (Chris Ducey) 2. Nobody At All (Jeffrey Comanor) 3. Haunted Places (Jeffrey Comanor) 4. I Just Don't Know How To Say Goodbye (Joey Stec/ Sandy Salisbury) 5. Wonder Why (Chris Ducey) 6. Dianne Help Me Now (Jeffrey Comanor) note: this may be listed as "Dianne Help Me Now" on the masters Cheers, Keith -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:38:00 -0000 From: Michel Gignac Subject: Jam (on Bell) / Jam (on Sire) Jeff, You must be the only owner of Jam's Pigeon in the world! Thank you very much. The information you give about this single (Bell 138) (which was popular at the end of 1971 and the beginning of 1972) let us know that it was not released on Sire. It is almost impossible that two different groups with the same name recorded in 1972. Does it let us conclude that Jerry Osborne is right when he gives 1968 for Jam's single "Something's Gone"? I own a Strangeloves' single (Honey Do) on Sire blue label at the end of 1968. As Billy wrote, "Until someone comes up with a copy we will never know." But I don't think Fuzz Acid and Flowers is wrong too often. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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