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Spectropop - Digest Number 973



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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Lou Christie's Backing Vocals
           From: John Clemente 
      2. Re: Origins of "High Coin"
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. John Kongas/Lynne Randell/Quentin E Klopjaeger
           From: Norman 
      4. Bob Hope musical legacy/We 5 "Live"
           From: Clark Besch 
      5. RE: The Cat Came Back
           From: Martin Roberts 
      6. Subject: Origins of "High Coin"
           From: Frank Uhle 
      7. Re: Jack Nitzsche Update
           From: Austin Powell 
      8. Re:  Connie Francis
           From: Simon White 
      9. Re: Back up vocals on "Lightning Strikes" (Toni Wine chimes in)
           From: Denise Ferri 
     10. Re: Lou Christie's Backing Vocals
           From: Sean 
     11. Estelle of the Ronettes/Ganser Twins
           From: Sean 
     12. Skip Battin's "High Coin", John Kongos, We Five
           From: Art Longmire 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:10:54 -0400
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Lou Christie's Backing Vocals

Hello All,
Denise Ferri's affirmation about "Lightning Strikes" is 
in keeping with what Peggy Santiglia Davison told me when 
I interviewed her for Girl Groups.  Jiggs says that they 
used to take turns on session dates.  Jiggs sang on "Rhapsody 
In The Rain" and on "I'm Gonna Make You Mine".  Denise also 
commented that, at the time, there was a photo of her, Peggy 
and Bernadette with Lou Christie in a teen mag.  Of course, 
this was a long time ago.  I'll recheck my sources.
Regards,

John Clemente



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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Origins of "High Coin" > Does anybody know who was the first to record the song > "High Coin" that was written by Van Dyke Parks? I always loved that song. I first heard it by the Charlatans on their LP (with only 2 original members). Jackie DeShannon and the Harper's Bizarre did versions as well as the Beach Boys (unreleased). Van Dyke did one on Song Cycle. I have a single somewhere by someone I never heard of on a label with an Indian beating a drum on the top, same label as the Murmaids single, I think. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:41:35 +0930 From: Norman Subject: John Kongas/Lynne Randell/Quentin E Klopjaeger Hi, Good to see John(ny) Kongos get an airing on the Spectropop group. I know that sourcing African beat is nothing new to the outside world, Pete Seeger with Wimoweh, Mick Fleetwood and that bloke who used to sing with Art Garfunkel. However, He's Gonna Step On You Again is so memorable. The Partyboys did a version later in the 80s. I remember Tokoloshe Man well however I can't find reference to it on my local chart source. Should anybody be interested two great sites to go to: "South African Rock Digest" at http://www.sarockdigest.com/ and "South African Rock Encyclopaedia" at http://www.rock.co.za/ - In the Encyclopedia you will see some "groovy" pics of Johnny Kongos and the G Men (three of the four members are bespectactled a le Buddy Holly). Re: Lynne Randell. Yes, she is Australian but was born in Liverpool UK. So I reckon that would make her a "scouser" of sorts. Re: Quentin E Klopjaeger. Real Name William Charles Boardman aka Billy Forrest. He has recorded under several psuedynoms. I have both Sad Simon Lives and his version of Marty Wilde's Abergavenny on 45. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:42:09 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Bob Hope musical legacy/We 5 "Live" Hi, I was just thinking about how great Bob Hope was to watch all those years! Listening to Phyllis Diller, Mickey Rooney, Nancy Sinatra, Ann-Margret and all tell all their great stories about Bob on Larry King was not only fun to hear, but great to see some of these people again. Ann-Margret still looks great! :) Anyway, one thing they didn't point out was the current up to date musical acts Bob had on his TV specials in the 60s. He was in vaudeville and most likely would have not have been a candidate for being a rock 'n roll fan, but I'm sure you've likely seen the Beach Boys' great performances on his specials and I'm sure I remember him having current hot acts on whenever he had his special. So, for those interested, played to musica is his introduction to a lip-synched We 5 "You Were on my Mind" as I taped it off my TV during, most likely, his 1965 Christmas special. As a bonus to show how great a one hit wonder band can sound "live", a 1966 TV appearance of their great third single "You Let a Love Burn Out" showcasing their great vocal capabilities. Enjoy! By the way, on the Hope special, they also performed the "B" side of their big hit ("Small World"). Take care, Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:11:33 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: RE: The Cat Came Back Ian relieved the parts: > Hate to see a man in misery.......would it be "Big Daddy > & the Cat", by the Blackwells (Jamie/London)? Thanks Ian, I had a restless night but was rejuvenated in the morning on reading your message. The Blackwells it is and a pleasure to play it again, a fine (uncredited) string drenched production! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Uhle Subject: Subject: Origins of "High Coin" > Does anybody know who was the first to record the song > "High Coin" that was written by Van Dyke Parks? I think > I heard that it was Bobby Vee but I'm not sure. I used to think this, and actually emailed Bobby Vee to ask him! He said he'd gotten the song from a pile of demos. His (great) version came out on Liberty and he took co-writing credit, which he explained was because he changed some of the lyrics to a more commercial style. However, a friend of mine recently discovered a low-budget release on "Record" records by (the late) Skip Battin (Battyn), LA studio habitue and crony of Kim Fowley and The Byrds, featuring "High Coin" and stating on the label "original version" as some small West Coast labels at the time often did. Played back to back with Bobby Vee's disc, this is clearly the inspiration for the latter, which is a bit slicker but has an almost identical arrangement (presumably it was the demo disc that Vee heard, either via this 45 or an acetate). Since Battin was around the same scene as Parks in LA at the time, I would have to give his version the nod, though I have no other corroborating evidence. Frank Uhle Full details courtesy Karl Ikola: Skip Battyn and the Group: High Coin b/w Mr. Responsibility (US, Record RR-11, 1965) [the flipside is a Kim Fowley composition which Kim also recorded on his own] -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:20:08 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche Update Martin Roberts wrote: > The Record Of The Week on the home page, > http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm is fab - > The Pleasures' "Music City". ("Music City" reminds me of a > song that contains the lyric, "and the cat came back", can > someone put me out of my misery and remind me which one, > please!) Martin: You made my day. For years I have wondered about "Music City". I have it on a UK Sue label compilation album, "The Sue Story" (1964/65 ?) which was virtually worn out from playing that track.....I'd never been able to trace The Pleasures and the Sue LP carried no credits as to producer or US label..... In fact the writer's credit says "Smith".....Nearly 40 years on, the mystery is solved !!!! Thanks..... Now, does anyone know anything about "Don't Cry" c/w "The Dream Train Special" by The Clefs from 1962 ? Released in the UK on Salvo 1810. Austin Powell. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:58:01 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Connie Francis I just remembered something.... I managed a shop in Covent Garden for a few years mid-nineties. Rupert Everett was a customer. One day the guy in the shop opposite came in and told me that Connie Francis had just been in looking at his patterned knitwear! (maybe she wanted to be warm that winter?) I looked up the street but she'd already gone. I wish I'd met her. Hey Ho. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:26:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise Ferri Subject: Re: Back up vocals on "Lightning Strikes" (Toni Wine chimes in) I was just wondering when Toni Wine recorded the background on "Lightning Strikes" and with whom? And also who hired her....?? Unless there are two versions of the song?...I can tell you that Bernadette, Peggy and myself did the back-up for the song and album, and we also helped Lou with the background vocal arrangements ....I actually sang the bottom part...and the three of us were the only singers in the studio with Lou....it took weeks of rehearsing and recording...(and did you say Ellie Greenwich was also on that date?) This is very interesting, please enlighten me... Thanks, Denise ..and "I'm Gonna Make You Mine"....who did back-up with her on that one??? Thanks...looking forward to hearing from you............... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:32:24 EDT From: Sean Subject: Re: Lou Christie's Backing Vocals I was going to say I was always told Jiggs from the Angels was on "Lightning Strikes" along with Peggy. At first I heard it was all of the Angels but I've heard by this time Barbara had no interest in singing. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:40:07 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Estelle of the Ronettes/Ganser Twins Well, we all know Ronnie Spector is still singing the classic songs she did with the Ronettes, I mean Cher and Darlene Love. I've seen Nedra Ross on TV not too long ago and she mentioned she was in the Ronettes and she isn't shy about it. Now I wanna know where the heck has Estelle Bennett been? She was always the good-looking Ronette to me and always seemed real mature although I'm pretty sure Ronnie was older than her. And on Shindig when they sang "Be My Baby," was that Nedra and Estelle's vocals on the pre-recorded track? About the Ganser Twins, I read from a post way back, can anyone tell the difference between Margie and Mary Ann. I definitely can! First off, during TV shows if you ever notice, Mary Ann is always looking bored and often looks down at the ground while Margie is always smiling and seems to be having a good ol' time. (Betty always seemed confused for some reason to me while performing on TV, I guess because she was gone for so long, she didn't know the routines too well.) But most of all I can tell the difference by the way they smile. When Mary Ann smiles, her eyes squint and her teeth don't really show, but when Margie smiles her eyes are wide open and she has a full smile on her face. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:48:45 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Skip Battin's "High Coin", John Kongos, We Five Thanks to all for the info on "High Coin", it certainly seems to be a standard of LA pop. Frank Uhle mentioned a version (possibly the earliest) by Skip Battin that may have influenced Bobby Vee's take on the song - I'd love to hear it. I still haven't heard Vee's version yet, or the ones described by Steve Harvey (Van Dyke Parks, Jackie DeShannon). The "Indian Beating the Drum" label is Chattahootchie, whose biggest act was probably Thee Midnighters - now if THEY had recorded "High Coin" that would really be something! Also thanks for the response to my query on John Kongos - great that his excellent "He's Gonna Step On You" and his musical output in general, is so highly regarded. I get the impression that his follow-up hit "Tokoloshe Man" was just about as good - unfortunately, that one never got any play here in the States, at least not in my area, so still haven't heard it. So many songs, so little time! The post on the We Five was interesting...I have the 45 of "You Let A Love Burn Out" and it is a fantastic number, probably their best song overall. Best, Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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