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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Barry White R.I.P.
           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Re: Chiffons
           From: Tony Leong 
      3. Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
           From: Mick Patrick 
      4. Re: Mindbenders/Toni Wine-Carole Bayer Sager
           From: JJ 
      5. Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
           From: Country Paul 
      6. Re: Chiffons
           From: Will Stos 
      7. Re: UK-based lovers of 60s girl-groups
           From: Will Stos 
      8. The Shangri-Las
           From: S'pop Team 
      9. Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
           From: Mick Patrick 
     10. Re: Run To My Lovin' Arms
           From: Mick Patrick 
     11. Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks!
           From: Mick Patrick 
     12. Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
           From: Ken Mortimer 
     13. Re: The Liquid Room 6/28/2003
           From: Don 
     14. Re: "Somebody Else's Girl"
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Artie Wayne; more on Terry Knight; other notes
           From: Country Paul 


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Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:25:26 +0100
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: Barry White R.I.P.

Dear All,

Sad news. Barry White has died. Read more here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3046650.stm

Mick Patrick



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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 05:02:39 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: Re: Chiffons David, Hi!!! The Sylvia led "One Fine Day" was only a studio take. As far as I can imagine, her vocal was probably erased. She IS NOT on the released recording at all!!! Judy sang in the background, then before the song was released, her vocal was put up front. Pat told me she had an acetate of the recording for the unreleased "Gee How I Love That Boy". Interestingly enough, she also said that originally, she cut the lead on "Mystic Voice". Then, the Tokens mixed Judy's voice higher than the other girls even tough in the finished product, they are all singing in unison. Sylvia wished that she sang the lead on "What Am I Gonna Do With You??" But, Judy's vocals were amazing on that recording--I WISH I had it on a CD!!!!!!! Tony Leong -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:19:12 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne Hey la, Good news and bad. The good news is I found the cassette containing the much talked about "Don't Wanna Cry Again" by the Myrtelles, the first record by Sue & Sunny (Oriole CB 1805, 1963). The bad news is that the tape contains only part of the song. Whatever, I've posted the track to musica for all to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Actually, the track is kinda cute, considering the duo's very tender years. As you know, the song was written by Mark Barkan and Artie Wayne. It seems that there is no U.S. version of this number. That means that the Myrtelles, or rather, their A&R man, must have found the song at a Music Publishers office in Tin Pan Alley, here in London. I guess there must be (or must *have* been) an acetate copy of the original demo version in existence. I wouldn't mind betting that, should such an acetate exist, the vocalist turns out be Ellie Greenwich. Miss Ellie did, after all, write songs with each of the composers concerned and was Mark Barkan's favourite demo singer. I WANT it and I want it NOW! Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:20:27 -0000 From: JJ Subject: Re: Mindbenders/Toni Wine-Carole Bayer Sager > ...a BIG FAVE is the UK Fontana ī66 45, "Canīt live with you, > canīt live without you", by THE MINDBENDERS.....wr. by Toni Wine > & C.B. Sager. Can anyone help me to find out if there was a US orig on this tr, and by whom? JJ/Sweden -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:43:07 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl" Stop the presses! (Unless you already have this for the Orbison "sounds similar" collection): Has anyone brought up "Somebody Else's Girl" (lyric: "Am I building my whole world around somebody else's girl")? I know there's a Billy Fury hit version in the UK, but I think there's a US original - except I can't remember who did it! (And my records are filed alphabetically.) The writer is identified as "Montgomery." Any help, please? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:14:17 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Chiffons Mick Patrick wrote: > By my reckoning, the Chiffons released 50-odd tracks on Laurie, > enough for a double CD, but perhaps not a box-set. But not *all* > of the tracks are that great. I'm thinking of "Da Doo Ron Ron" > and "The Loco-Motion", for starters. I agree. Some of the filler on the albums sounded like it was recorded in one or two takes, but the Sweet Talking Guy album was very good, and some of the cuts on My Secret Love are also good enough for reissue in my opinion. "Remember Me Baby," "Strange Strange, Feeling," and "Every Boy and Every Girl" are really quite good. Plus I have yet to find "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me," or "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" on CD. For that matter, some of the songs they did backing for like Andrea Carroll's "The Doo- lang" or some of the sides with Hoagy Lands sound so much like the group they could fit right on to a compilation. Mick and Malcolm's 1990/1991 Greatest Hits CD on Ace was the last big collection of their work to my knowledge (the Marginal Best of package was a bootleg) And as much as I love the Great Hits CD to the point where it's almost worn out, I'd love to hear more of their later 60s songs together in one collection. The Ace/Westside labels seem to be the only ones releasing quality packages with good audio. Any chance they'd be interested in a Chiffons' double CD? Or even another single crammed with as much as possible? BTW Mick, I just got Where The Girls Are Vol. 5 in the mail, and I love it! Especially the Sweet Things cut. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:22:24 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: UK-based lovers of 60s girl-groups Chris D. King wrote: > Dear UK-based Spectropoppers - Just to let you know that Da Doo > Ron Ron - the one & only 60s girl group club - follows up its > June sell-out with its monthly shindig on Friday July 11th @ > the Sussex Arts Club, 07 Ship Street, Brighton, BN1. Tel:-01273- > 778020. 9pm - 2am. Ģ4 on the door. Da doo DJs Chris 'Da Doo' > King & Si Bridger spin their familiar mix of 60s girly sounds > a-go-go from the likes of The Ronettes, Dusty, Supremes, > Marvelettes, Lesley Gore, Barbara Lewis, Chris Clark, Shangri- > Las, Petula, Lulu, Helen Shapiro, Vandellas, Brenda Holloway, > Shirley Bassey & so on. You'll NEVER hear a MALE lead vocal @ > DDRR! We're celebrating our 5th Birthday in October this year. > DDRR web-site: http://clubdadooronron.users.btopenworld.com/ > DDRR flyer: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/ Hi Chris, I visited your club's site and noticed that you may have a compilation CD coming out soon with your favourite tracks. Any news about its progress? Also, do you have a tentative track listing posted anywhere? Sadly, I live on the other side of the pond and outside of your site's Top 20 lists, I'm not familiar with the club's favourite tunes. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:15:27 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: The Shangri-Las New at S'pop: Shangri-Las '77! by Phil Milstein In 1977, inspired by new wave acts like Blondie and the Ramones, the Shangri-Las emerged from a decade-long exile to record a comeback album. The project was eventually aborted and the ladies returned to the shadows. For the amazing full story: http://www.spectropop.com/Shangri-Las/index.htm The article is loaded with rare pictures, so please allow a moment for it to download. Enjoy! The S'pop Team Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:13:44 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl" Country Paul wrote: > Stop the presses! (Unless you already have this for the Orbison > "sounds similar" collection): Has anyone brought up "Somebody > Else's Girl" (lyric: "Am I building my whole world around > somebody else's girl")? I know there's a Billy Fury hit version > in the UK, but I think there's a US original - except I can't > remember who did it! (And my records are filed alphabetically.) > The writer is identified as "Montgomery." Any help, please? Hey la, "Somebody Else's Girl" by Billy Fury! What a fabulous record. UK record buyers thought so too because this great track reached # 18 on the charts here in the Autumn of 1963. Me and my best friend Paul thought it was the bee's knees and would sing it for anyone that asked, and for those who didn't! Billy was my first idol. Hey, you should have seen my quiff back then! Paul and I were known as the Brylcream Twins. Forty years later, I'm seriously thinking of re-adopting that style, before it all falls out. I agree, a track by Billy is a *must* for any imaginary "Orbisonic" compilation. Now, regarding a US original version of the song: Adam Charles released a 45 of the very same title on US Dot 16459 in 1963. I've never heard it, so I'm not sure if it's the number concerned. Anyone? Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:24:09 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Run To My Lovin' Arms Martin Roberts wrote: > ...I bought 3 ten inch female-voiced Screen Gems Columbia > demos, recorded at Dick Charles Recording Studios, NYC. > Musically, only one is of interest, "Run To My Lovin' Arms". > The song was of course released; perhaps best known in the > UK as sung by Billy Fury and in the US by April Young... Hey la, The best-known US version of "Run To My Lovin' Arms" (although maybe not the original) was by that great black balladeer Lenny Welch, for whom it reached the fag-end of the Hot 100 late in 1965. The Billy Fury rendition - # 25 on the UK charts a few months earlier - is quite fabulous. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:43:26 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks! Way back, I wrote: > The Girls were a Los Angeles sister act comprising Diane, Sylvia, > Rosemary and Margaret Sandoval. Curiously, I am in possession of > a taped interview with the lyricist Cynthia Weil in which she claims > that she sang lead on this version of "Chico's Girl". I tend to > think she might be mistaken, but you never know. Whatever, it's one > GREAT record. Mary replied: > Mick, I am a friend of the group who recorded "Chico's Girl". > Margaret Sandoval was the lead singer on it, not Cynthia Weil. It > would be great to hear the taped interview you have. Hey la, Any friend of the Girls is a friend of mine! Your wish is my command, even though it's past midnight, Mary (HA!). I have posted an edit of the Cynthia Weil interview to musica. She and Barry Mann are in conversation with S'pop's very own Alan Warner, of their publishing company EMI Music. To hear it, just click here, and select "Cynthia Weil Speaks": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Cynthia *must* be mistaken about singing lead on the Girls' "Chico's Girl". Perhaps she sang the original demo, or something? Who knows? > I am in the process of setting up a web site dedicated to The > Girls. As soon as it's published, probably in a couple of days, I > will be back with the link for all the fans of The Girls. I can hardly wait. I want that link, and I want it NOW! Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:53:19 +0100 From: Ken Mortimer Subject: Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne Mick Patrick wrote: > Good news and bad. The good news is I found the cassette > containing the much talked about "Don't Wanna Cry Again" by > the Myrtelles, the first record by Sue & Sunny (Oriole CB > 1805, 1963). The bad news is that the tape contains only part > of the song. Whatever, I've posted the track to musica for all > to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Thanks for posting the Myrtelles track, Mick. It's really brilliant to be able to hear some of it (I had begun to wonder if it had ever actually been released - as I've yet to see a copy even advertised for sale). It is an early recording and Sue and Sunny do sound young. Having said that, the vocals on the chorus show evidence of those brilliant harmonies for which Sue and Sunny were later to be in so much demand. Thanks again Ken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 04:03:25 -0000 From: Don Subject: Re: The Liquid Room 6/28/2003 David, Is there any way to listen to the Liquid Room after it has aired? I couldn't figure it out. I really want to hear Them doing "You're Just What I Was Looking For Today" Don -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:49:20 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: "Somebody Else's Girl" Country Paul wrote: > Has anyone brought up "Somebody Else's Girl"? I know there's a > Billy Fury hit version in the UK, but I think here's a US > original - except I can't remember who did it! Mick Patrick wrote: > ...regarding a US original version of the song: Adam Charles > released a 45 of the very same title on US Dot 16459 in 1963. > I've never heard it, so I'm not sure if it's the number > concerned. Anyone? Yes, I believe that's the one. I thought I had it, either on vinyl or tape, but I don't. A new quest begins! Way behind in the discussion - probably more stuff later - but I thought this had "time value," so here it is. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 02:09:12 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Artie Wayne; more on Terry Knight; other notes Artie Wayne: > I also have a chance to give a special thanks, in the dedication > section to those of you who have helped me locate my past.... > http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/index.html Artie, your website is a treat - the new stuff is fun and informative, and your discography is truly impressive. You seem blessed to have been everywhere when stuff was happening! (I mean, producing The Kingsmen, The Shirelles, AND Hermione Gingold - now that's "range"!) And thank you for the dedication - I wish I'd done something (besides dig lots of your music) to deserve it! And in the Acknowledgements Department, Martin Roberts, your June 27th post in tribute to Jamie (who I never met, but felt as though I knew) is beautiful. He's probably smiling over how his baby has grown - and is growing. Simon wrote: > Can anyone shed some light on Terry Knight?.... Rat Pfink wrote: > Terry Knight and The Pack recorded two LPs (I think) for Cameo- > Parkway before Knight gave up vocals and became full-time manager > for the band, which was renamed Grand Funk Railroad... His notoriety extended to a group on a United Artists-distributed label, Brown Bag, called Mom's Apple Pie, whose first album (1972) featured (1) an unsubtle-to-say-the-least cover illustration masquerading as "hip" and (2) some of the most overhyped ho-hum music pressed into vinyl. Here are Stephane Rebeschini and Ed Worcester's notes in Fuzz Acid & Flowers: "This ten-piece outfit is sometimes described as 'psychedelic,' probably because they covered Spirit's Mr Skin on their debut album. They were in fact a horn rock group and as such both albums are best avoided. The cover of the original pressing of their debut is curious; it features a painting of a maid holding an apple pie, with a slice removed to reveal a vagina inside the apple pie. The second pressing is censored with the vagina being replaced by a barbed wire wall! This album was produced by Kenneth Hamann. The band are thought to have been affiliated with Terry Knight." Despite the published production credit, Knight was said to have produced it himself, according to the pre-release promotion blitz we were subjected to. Needless to say, upon viewing and listening, his credibility in the progressive rock community sank like a stone! David Ponak played on his show: > Terry Callier/900 Miles - The New Folk Sounds Of (Prestige) Has this been reissued? I've been hearing a lot about it - and him - lately. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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