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Spectropop - Digest Number 917

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Sue Thompson; regional scenes; my websites
           From: Country Paul 
      2. Re: The Other Two
           From: Peter Lerner 
      3. Re: The Robbs etc
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      4. Party Info??
           From: Mikey 
      5. Re: Other Two
           From: Ian Chapman 
      6. Re: Dark Clark?
           From: Bill George 
      7. Re: Archies videos on Ron Dante Online
           From: Clark Besch 
      8. Re: Family Affair
           From: Stratton Bearhart 
      9. The Monacles' Hearse Photos
           From: Leonardo 
     10. question for Rashkovsky
           From: David A. Young 
     11. Jeff Barry / Ike and Tina Turner
           From: Stuffed Animal 
     12. Re: Dileo / Zekley
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
     13. Pre-Shindig
           From: Martin Roberts 
     14. Quiet Reed
           From: Steve Harvey 
     15. Re: Party Info??
           From: Amber 
     16. Regions
           From: Steve Harvey 
     17. Re: Party Info??
           From: James Botticelli 
     18. Re: Jeff Barry
           From: Martin Roberts 
     19. Re: question for Rashkovsky
           From: James Botticelli 
     20. Re: Party Info??
           From: Mikey 
     21. Re: Party Info??
           From: James Botticelli 
     22. Hair Apparent
           From: Steve Harvey 
     23. First Post
           From: Ray 
     24. Re: Lisa Hartman / Jeff Barry
           From: Brad Burg 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:03:47 -0400
   From: Country Paul 
Subject: Sue Thompson; regional scenes; my websites

Ronnie, the Sue Thompson interview sounds like it'll be really fun. I always
liked "Paper Tiger" - the combination of adult sexiness and the little girl
voice you just knew didn't belong to a little girl....

Larry Lapka:
> It seems each region of the US had their "own" bands,
> performers who were top hitmakers in certain areas but
> just busts nationally. In the east, certainly the
> Vagrants would fit that description.

Upstate New York - Albany to Buffalo - had a thriving scene with Wilmer &
the Dukes, the Rising Sons and Otis & The All Night Workers (with Loud Reed)
leading the pack. Connecticut (New Haven, Hartford and Springfield, Mass.
metros) had #1 hits by the Wildweeds (from Windsor, "No Good To Cry"), the
Blue Beats (from New Haven, "Extra Girl") and the Downbeats (from Hartford,
a bunch of stuff before I lived there). These artists actually got airplay
and sold records in these areas. Of course Gene Pitney and Van Trevor, both
Hartford-area natives, had national success. Can anyone else offer any
self-contained scene examples? - what a catalog! The music documentaries are
pretty cool too!

Off-topic, but I can't resist: the first expanded version of my business
website is up and running at  There are multiple 
tweaks and corrections to come - fairly quickly, I hope - but it's there! 
Also, my low-low-budget site for my microscopic record company, is also up. (Don't go clicking for 
pictures at the little red x's - there are none. I warned you the budget was 

Country Paul

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:50:35 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: The Other Two Richard Havers and Ian Chapman wrote recently about The Other Two. Ian Chapman wrote: > the Other Two.....were a little way-out for the time and > had a memorable "one-blonde-one-brunette" image. Check out > the "pictures" section, where Mick has posted a great 60s > shot showing Jemima, left and Caroline, right. Richard wrote: > I have a page scanned from a magazine about the girls; it > includes the same pic as Mick posted. If anyone wants a copy > please mail me off list and I will be happy to send it along. I have in the back of my mind a British act of this name who made a record for Decca, which was never released, of a Jackie DeShannon song which is otherwise unheard of. Are we talking about the same people? Can anyone give me any more information? Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:57:31 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: The Robbs etc Don Lonie quoted: > "The Robbs were just an ordinary southern California rock group. They > played successfully at local dances and high schools. Then Dick Clark > spotted them and signed them to play at his Chicago Teen Fair. It was > a scary debut. Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Young Rascals, Lou > Christie and Freddy Cannon were heading the bill. Wow! And they say Woodstock had a good line up! Guy. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:00:32 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Party Info?? Can someone PLEASE post the info for the party on Friday 20th?? thanks, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:06:09 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: Other Two Peter asked: > I have in the back of my mind a British act of this name > who made a record for Decca, which was never released, of > a Jackie DeShannon song which is otherwise unheard of. Are > we talking about the same people? Can anyone give me any > more information? Yes, Peter, it's the same girls. Apparently they recorded a Jackie song called "Breakdown Baby" at Decca, but it was withheld due to "controversial lyrics." Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:30:12 EDT From: Bill George Subject: Re: Dark Clark? Previously: > >>>>>hmmm.....that DOES sound like Dave, but he insisted a > few years ago that he didnt want to be a "60 year washed up > Rock Star playing the old songs". It sounded like he wasn't doing an oldies gig, but actually performing new stuff. It was soooo early in the morning. I was driving to church in the next state at about 7:30 am, so I wasn't awake enough to remember it. I originally started listening just to find out who the grizzled sounding old brit was. He sounded like a lot of fun. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:18:45 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Archies videos on Ron Dante Online Laura Pinto wrote: > Hi, fellow Spectropoppers. Just a quick note to let you know that > there are two vintage (of course!) Archies videos on Ron Dante > Online ... "Mr. Factory" and "Sunshine! Laura, looks like a cool site! I really love "Yellow Van" bu Ronnie & the Dirt Riders (prod by Manilow). Too bad it came at a time when only the Beach Boys could pull of a beach song sound (76, i think). Still, here in Lincoln, Ne., it made our charts!! I have a cool old video of "Sugar Sugar" that is kinda ironic. Ron Dante basically unknown as lead singer of the Archies, yet this video is of 4 real life characters doing the song as the Archies. The ironic part is that Ron dante is performing as all 4 members in real life trick photography! Pretty funny idea! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Re: Family Affair I was delighted at the news of a Stone Family reunion, but likewise sad to hear of the exclusion of Sly himself. I really think its important not to underestimate the influence of this band on developments in black music into the 70's and forward. For instance, much as Stevie Wonder's albums from "Music Of My Mind" onwards were innovative in their own right, the figure of Sly Stone looms large in the musical mix. Stratton Bearharts Sponsor -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:01:21 -0000 From: Leonardo Subject: The Monacles' Hearse Photos Here are some photos of The Monacles touring Hearse from the 60's. It's not often that a Rock and Roll related car pops up in original condition. It's amazing that it's lasted this long...Just thought you might want to take a look: Cheers Leonardo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:14:35 +0000 From: David A. Young Subject: question for Rashkovsky Hey, Mike, I was playing the 45 "Please Make the Love Go Away" by The WhatNauts (Stang 5014) the other day, a song you co-wrote with Ellie. Any stories to share here? In a deep soul vein, the song is so far from the poppy/hooky sound I associate with both of you that I'm curious how it came about. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:31:14 +0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Jeff Barry / Ike and Tina Turner I believe I've discovered a previously unknown Jeff Barry solo record. It is "Caravan Of Lonely Men," a song that Jeff produced for Tony Passalacqua (recording under the name Tony Richards) in 1962. This version came out about a year later under the group name The Lovers. Released on Agon Records #1011, the flipside is "In My Tenement," an Artie Resnick song recorded by Clyde McPhatter on his excellent 1964 SONGS OF THE BIG CITY album. While Jeff Barry doesn't remember cutting this single, he acknowledges that it could very well be his lead vocals. Personally, I'm convinced that it IS him, with Artie Resnick singing background. A very good record. There are no production credits listed, but both songs are TM Music copyrights, so Bobby Darin may have supervised. Also, I recently acquired a promo copy of Phil Spector's production of Ike and Tina Turner (actually, just Tina) singing "I'll Never Need More Than This." Much to my surprise, I discovered that the intro on this single is different from both the stereo album version and the version included on Phil's BACK TO MONO boxed set. Stuff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:50:45 -0700 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: Dileo / Zekley Clark: > Hi Jeff, thanks for the info on Bob Dileo. I was always curious as > to who he was. Any info on how he got signed, where he was from, > what happened to him in music after Columbia dropped him? Actually, he has his own website at, which will answer some of your questions. The chronology isn't always right (he places the Columbia singles in the 70's, when they're actually 1968-69), but it's an interesting read. There are also mp3's on the site including some earlier doowop tracks and some recent recordings of standards. Those of you in New Jersey can go see him; check out the appearances page. And you'll find out his daughter's name is Jessica! > As I am a fan of stereo, I have never seen a mono/stereo dj copy > of Bob's records. I'd love to hear "Band in Boston" in stereo! All > of my copies are mono with B sides. I checked and I have a dupe > of "Jessica". What do you propose for trade? I do not sell records-- > only HOARD them! :) I can't help it--I love 45s! Sorry if I misled you re: a possible stereo "Band In Boston." Promo copies are the same as stock copies here: mono with the A and B side. I'm pretty sure the same applies for "Just Can't Help Believin'" (the copy I transferred for Spiritual Obscurities Vol. 6 belongs to Elliot Kendall, and I don't remember if it was a stock or promo copy). But the mp3 I have of "Jessica" is true stereo, so I'm guessing the promo of this is a double A-sided mono (with white label)/stereo (with light blue label) 45. And I'll e-mail you off list re: a trade for your extra copy of "Jessica." I think I have something here you'll really like. :-) > I see you're big on Zekley and Grady stuff? I really liked some > "Rain" song Gary Zekley did on an import Japan Cd. I have it on > cassette, but would love to get stereo Cdr burn. Any other things > you can think of? I did some work on the Yellow Balloon Cd Sundazed > put out--a cool 18 minute interview is included which makes for a > very unusual and unique Cd. I wish there were more Cds with > interviews of the artists from the 60's on end as bonus tracks. > Also, I recently got a cool Palace Guard best of Cd which includes > the Don Grady single he fronted for them. Nice Cd! You're thinking of Zekley's original demo "Here Comes The Rain" (recorded as "Like A Summer Rain" by Dean Torrence as Jan & Dean). This has never appeared in stereo and likely does not exist as such (the source is a mono acetate). > BTW, the flip of "Jessica" is indeed interesting. "Sing to Me" is > a Lee Mallory song--didn't he write the fantastic Montanas song "Take > my Hand"?? The Montanas are great!--oops, I can't get started on > them. Anyway, "Sing to Me" is produced by Jimmy 'the Wiz" Wisner as > the A side was. Altho Peter Dino arranged the session, Bob Dileo did > the "Strings", so he must have had some bonus talents?? If you ever > see any of Bob's stuff in stereo, including the Copout 45, I'd love > to hear them! I like both sides of that 45! Actually Lee Mallory - as most of you know - was a member of The Millennium, and "Take My Hand" - actually written by Dick & Don Addrisi - is a pre-Millennium Lee Mallory solo single (Valiant V-761 from 1967, and the definitive version, produced by Curt Boettcher). The versions by The Montanas and The Avengers are covers. And though Mallory didn't actually write "Take My Hand," he's written or cowritten lots of great songs! As for any of the Dileo/Giant Jellybean Copout stuff being issued in stereo, I don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon.:-( I'd be happy with an issue of the stuff from an actual master tape! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:26:59 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Pre-Shindig Mike kindly offered the Brits a tour round the home ground of The Village People in his SUV. (Is this what we English call a 'boot'?) Unfortunately (?!) I will be heading back to Steubenville. Only teasing! Thanks for the invite Mike, I wish I could be there. But I would like to invite any Yanks in the vicinity of New York to a pre-Shindig get together on Wednesday the 18th. A few of us from the UK and US are meeting in the lobby of the Off Soho Suites Hotel, 11 Rivington St (two blocks South of Houston and Second Avenue) at approximately 8pm, before moving on to sample some local pizza. From what I can gather LOTS will be going on at the Shindig and it would be great to meet some S'pop friends beforehand. Hope you can make it. Any queries regarding venue, times and dress code are best posted to the S'pop list as I am NY bound tomorrow (Saturday). Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Quiet Reed > Upstate New York - Albany to Buffalo - had a Otis & The All Night > Workers (with Loud Reed) leading the pack. Did Lou drop the "d" from his name after the rest of the Velvets asked him to turn down his amp? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:55:05 +0100 From: Amber Subject: Re: Party Info?? Mikey asked AGAIN: > Can someone PLEASE post the info for the party on Friday 20th?? Sweetie, Honey, Baby, Lamb..... Have you not been paying the very strictest attention? For the last two weeks or so, the NY Shindig info you desire has been included at the bottom of each and every Spectropop daily message digest, by way of a link to Miss Sheila B's Chachacharming site. Those who are signed up to receive their S'pop messages via individual emails will have found the Shindig info link at the bottom of every single little message. To save further anxiety, just click right here: See you there, Doll. How will we recognize each other? AvT xxx -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Regions I was talking to somebody about this topic just the other night. In the Philly area we had the Kits Kats, great band, but they never got off the block. Every area had their "local color" due to the amount of local and regional acts played on the radio. Unfortunately our radio waves have been so consolidated that it's even affecting the oldies stations. Not only do they cut the playlist down to such a point that former favorites are played so often I now change the channel when they come on, but certain artists don't exist as far as programers would have us believe. What bothers me even more is the college kids that run oldies shows on their school's stations. They seem to be mimicing what they hear on the commercial oldies stations. There is not sense of adventure that makes them want to check out B-sides (what's that?) or album cuts. During the 60s I learned about most of my 50s artists via writer's credits I kept seeing over and over. "Who is this Holly guy? Same one as that Holley guy on the Stones record?" I learned, but only because I took the time to track these guys down (which at the time weren't played much since the "oldies" format hadn't taken off yet). "Be Bop A Lula" was the only thing Gene Vincent ever did if you listen to the oldies station. Can't remember the last time I ever heard Eddie Cochran played. All souls records were put out on Motown except for a couple of Sam and Dave and Otis sides - if you listen to this same station. The list goes on. Oddly enough, Wawa (our local version of 7-11) must play tapes or have a really hip music vendor based on my visits there. I've been entertained with tunes like Joe Clay's "Don't Mess With My Ducktail" and Vincent's "Race With the Devil". Too bad I can't hear them in my car. What I suggest are laws that would force all music stations to play a certain amount of music, if not based on states, at least regional areas, by musicians from those areas. Something similar to the laws that Canada passed to ensure a certain amount of music is by Canadian artist. It may seem farfetched considering the new FFC ruling that Colin Powell's kid, Michael, just snuck by last week. However, you gotta start somewhere. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:11:03 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Party Info?? Amber wrote: > How will we recognize each other? I'm the good lookin' one. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:26 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: Jeff Barry Stuff wrote: > I believe I've discovered a previously unknown Jeff Barry solo record. It > is "Caravan Of Lonely Men,"...under the group name The Lovers. Released on > Agon Records #1011, I believe (for every drop of rain that falls....) I mentioned this 45 some while back and it is a firm favourite in the Roberts' household. 'Fraid my ears aren't up to the job of hearing Jeff's voice but guess it could be. My copy is a regular issue with Tony Espositono credited as arranger and conductor. No producer credit. As for the T.M. credit I believe (...a flower grows...) not too much should be read into Bobby's music publishing credits, although Jeff was signed to T.M. for a while. Love to hear your copy of "I'll Never Need More Than This"! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:13:11 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: question for Rashkovsky David A. Young wrote: > Hey, Mike, > I was playing the 45 "Please Make the Love Go Away" by The WhatNauts (Stang > 5014) the other day, a song you co-wrote with Ellie. Any stories to share > here? In a deep soul vein, the song is so far from the poppy/hooky sound I > associate with both of you that I'm curious how it came about. Not how it came about, but how it was recorded. Anyone ever notice that 45s on Stang sound like they were recorded in a bathroom? Great tunes, but sheeesh, the studio time must've been dirt cheap. Anyone know the Stang Story? JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:30:32 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Party Info?? Amber wrote: > How will we recognize each other? DJ Jimmy Botticelli: > I'm the good lookin' one. >>>>>She meant ME, you thread stealer, Jim, you!!!! LOL....thanks SweetBabyPie. I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie and the "Fabian" pompadour...... Shouldn't be too hard.... Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:00:15 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Party Info?? Mikey wrote: > I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie and the > "Fabian" pompadour...... Hey Mike...Is the suit ill-fitting and too tight? hehehe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Hair Apparent Mikey: > I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie > and the "Fabian" pompadour...... Shouldn't be too hard.... Do you mean "too hard" as in the ability to recognize you or the overall consistency of your "pompadour? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:32:24 -0000 From: Ray Subject: First Post I found this message board by accident and was pleased to see that a place exists to talk about the 60's Spector sound. (and other things) I've been spending the last few days familiarizing myself with the arhive posts and have really enjoyed reading some of the threads within this group. I am really amazed at the knowledge and insight you guys have for this music. I thought it was time to introduce myself to the group and post my first post. My name is Ray, I grew up in nyc but I now live in Wilmington, Delaware (the city that never wakes). I have always been crazy over the Spector sound. My favorite groups are the Ronettes, and the Crystals. But, my favorite Spector produced record is "Love is all I have to give" by the Checkmates Ltd. As a teenager, growing up in Brooklyn, NY. I had the privledge of becoming lifelong friends with Reparata (of Reparata and the Delrons). Her recording of "I'm Nobody's Baby Now" is, of course, my favorite of all the Spector sounding records that Phil Spector did not produce. I also had the privledge to be present in the RCA studios when she recorded that song, and remember every detail that took place during that fantastic amazing session. I see from the archive postings that a few other friends of Reparata are also a part of this group. I hope that, in future posts, I can contribute some interesting information and provide some candid opinions. Ray -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:48:45 -0000 From: Brad Burg Subject: Re: Lisa Hartman / Jeff Barry This confirms and expands on a topic almost one year old—-but I just found it online, and figured I'd add a few points. The topic is from Digest 546 of July 27, 2002, and this refers to message #7: Will George: > And if I remember correctly, she was discovered singing in a > Houston club, but not by Jeff Barry. They were put together > after her signing with Kirschner. Stuffed Animal wrote: > Sorry, but that's not what Jeff Barry told me. He said he got > a call from a songwriter friend named Dene Hofheinz (who ended > up co-writing most of the material on Lisa's debut album) to > come down to Houston and check out this hot young singer. Phil Milstein wrote: > FYI (and admittedly off-topic), Hofheinz is a big name in Houston. > Judge Roy Hofheinz - who I would assume to be a relative of the > songwriter Dene - was the big-bucks backer of the city's acquisition > of a baseball franchise back in the early '60s, and was the prime > mover behind the creation of the Astrodome (at the time promoted as > "The 8th Wonder of the World") and, with it, the dreaded Astroturf. To this, I'd add: Phil Milstein, Stuffed Animal, and Jeff Barry, are all accurate. I was a songwriter friend of Dene at the time—and became the 3rd co- writer on the album, which can be listened to online ( Jeff's account is exactly accurate. Some more details: Producer David Foster, then just a session man, played keyboards on the album. Two songs from it became country hits in cover versions, one by Lynn Anderson ("He Ain't You") and one which made #1 by Jim Ed Brown & Helen Cornelius ("Saying Hello, Saying, I Love You, Saying Goodby"). Dene Hofheinz (Judge Roy Hofheinz's daughter; so your guess was right, Phil) went on to write the recent country hit "Even God Must Get The Blues" by Jo Dee Messina. I went on to write other things, including a children's book recently out from Penguin ("Outside The Lines: Poetry At Play" – you can check it out at my website Jeff went on to many things...And besides being a Hall of Fame songwriter, he's also a better singer than he's ever really revealed (versatile, too; he can do a great Sinatra style, when he's in the mood). Brad Burg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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