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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Shades of Gray
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Release Dates for CDs
           From: David Feldman 
      3. Re: Nut Rocker
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      4. Ian Anderson's granddaughter, Gillian.
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. Re: Stolen licks
           From: Phil Chapman 
      6. Re: Release Dates for CDs
           From: Delia Barnard 
      7. more stolen licks
           From: "S'pop Team" 
      8. Re: Shades of Gray
           From: Tom Taber 
      9. Al Hazan and the Beatles
           From: Michael Edwards 
     10. Re: Don Ciccone (Critters, Four Seasons)
           From: Stephen M.H. Braitman 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:39:48 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Shades of Gray Larry Lapka wrote: > Doesn't the Raiders' version of Indian Reservation steal > its outro from Janis Ian's Society's Child? Larry, you are correct! In fact the same person (name escapes me now) that did the organ outro on "Society's Child" both suggested it for "Indian Reservation" and performed it on both records as well! Also, P.K. Limited put out "Shades of Grey" as an A side on Colgems in 69. Good record. Also, the Will-O-Bees did a nice version on Date! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:01:21 -0500 From: David Feldman Subject: Release Dates for CDs Unfortunately, you can't make a living merely by reading Spectropop and listening to cool music. I make mine in a strange way. Folks write to me with little mysteries that bother them and I try to track down the answers. For the first time, I received a music-related mystery that Spectropoppers might be able to help me with, and I hope isn't off-topic -- it's something I've wondered about. Why are CDs released on Tuesdays in the U.S. Is it related to the Billboard chart cycle? Distribution? I know there wasn't a uniform day during the Spectropop era. When did it change? And are there uniform days for releases in other parts of the world? Any thoughts or referrals would be mucho appreciated. Dave Feldman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:23:56 +0100 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Nut Rocker Picture of B Bumble & Stingers in this months Mojo. Who's that bangin' on the piano, I don't know, but it ain't Al. Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Ian Anderson's granddaughter, Gillian. Alan Gordon: > By official decree: Only Gillian Anderson will be > allowed to play Lesley. Hear, hear, I claim dibs on auditioning here! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:02:36 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Stolen licks Alan: > I think "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" are so dissimilar > in terms of production that they really are separate songs. Isn't this the crux of the whole plagiarism issue? Copyright is only afforded to *songs*, rather than production. For example, the verse melody to "Chapel Of Love" is remarkably similar to Buddy Holly's "It Doesn't Matter Anymore", but any potential plagiarism is masked by completely different production values. "Where Did Our Love Go" and "I Can't Help Myself" have virtually identical melodies, but a totally different rhythm feel..and so on. You wouldn't really notice unless you were learning to play them with one finger. I also think the law is interpreted differently depending in which country the case is brought. Some courts decide based on a matching progression of notes, other decisions can rest on whether the judge merely thinks they sound similar. Wasn't there an interesting case where Huey Lewis claimed Ray Parker's "Ghostbusters" was a rip-off of "I Want A New Drug", but the judge ruled it was actually a rip-off of M's "Pop Musik", and I suppose, by implication, so was Huey's tune? It could be argued that a great deal of the Spectropop era output was written as *records*, i.e. the production & arrangement was integral to the song, and equally responsible for its commercial success. All of the above is not quite the same thing as non-credited "quoting" of other songs, such as the Shangri-las singing "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" at the start of "Long Live Our Love", as Andrew Jones relates: > The closing section of the Beatles' "All You Need Is Love" > has, among other things, the opening riff of Glenn Miller's > "In the Mood." If I remember right, George Martin thought > that arrangement was in the public domain when he threw that > riff into the soup, but soon learned otherwise. Now there's another delightful grey area. If a tune is in the public domain (traditional) then it's fair game for 'borrowing', as is a tune whose copyright has expired. The first copyright law (1709) protected the work for 14 years after publication, and by 1976, via various extensions, this stood at 50 years after the composer's death. Then in 1998 Sonny Bono got this period retroactively extended to 70 years, and copyrights held by corporations to 95 years. Which means that although the tune to "Happy Birthday" has classical origins, the lyrics are still in copyright until 2021. Also, given that Puccini died in 1924, this latest extension could have given Andrew Lloyd Webber cause for concern:-) So, is the intro to Ike & Tina's "Tell Her I'm Not Home" a quote from Tchaikovsky, or 'influenced' by the strings in the Drifters' "There Goes My Baby"? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:13:22 +0100 From: Delia Barnard Subject: Re: Release Dates for CDs Hello! In the UK new albums and also singles are always released on Monday. I think it's so that all the vans from the various distributors do all the big drop-offs just once...and people know to look in the shops first thing Monday for the new release... It's just nice to have an order to things I guess... also it makes the charts work kind of uniformly I s'pose... Hope that helps. I used to work in a record shop so well remember the frantic unpacking as people would eagerly await new releases... Delia -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:05:25 +0100 From: "S'pop Team" Subject: more stolen licks Phil Milstein: The riff from The Ramones' "Suzy Is A Headbanger" is a direct swipe of Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody". "Brown Eyed Girl" by The Golliwogs is "Rumble" with lyrics. Robert Beason: Larry Lapka wrote: >Doesn't the Raiders' version of Indian Reservation > steal its outro from Janis Ian's Society's Child? Yup. And the Dave Clark 5 stole the intro from the Raiders' "Just Like Me" for "At The Scene". Javed Jafri: Well here's a somewhat more obscure stolen riff caper unmasked. The Poni-Tails "Seven in Heaven" from 1958 does some lifting from Mickey and Silvia's "Love Is Strange" from 1957. Phil Reynolds: ....wasn't the "stronger than dirt" riff used in the Seed's "Pushin' Too Hard"............. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Shades of Gray > Also, the Will-O-Bees did a nice > version on Date! I have for some time assumed the Will-O-Bees' version came out before the Monkees' version, as I thought hearing an earlier version on Buffalo radio would explain the song's instant familiarity to me upon buying the Monkee's lp. Did it? Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:05:25 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Al Hazan and the Beatles I don't have my copy of Mark Lewisohn's "Complete Beatles' Chronicles" with me, but it is hard to believe that the four well-dressed gentlemen were the Beatles, particularly in May/June 1962 when the Beatles were so little known outside of Liverpool. "Love Me Do", their first UK 45, wasn't released until October of that year, well after the B Bumble phenomenon had faded. In addition, Pete Best was not fired until August 15th and he was at that June 6th recording session in London that Richard mentions. Al is specific about his visit being around the time that "Nut Rocker" was # 1 in the UK (5/11/62, per Richard) when Best was clearly with the band. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:39:16 -0700 From: Stephen M.H. Braitman Subject: Re: Don Ciccone (Critters, Four Seasons) Found this interesting CD recently. It's a self-titled CD E.P. (5 tracks) by DON CICCONE promoting himself, with a 1989 copyright date. Thus, a relatively early CD. It includes a very Boz Scaggs-ish pop soul number "Just A Little Love," similar style in a cover of "Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying," a good bluesy rock number, "We'll Find Love," and an update of "Mr Dieingly Sad." Also, most interesting, is an "audiobiography" featuring audio clips of his radio appearances over the years with several different disc jockeys, talking about his Critters days, and his (then current) Four Seasons gig. Anyone know this rarity, value of this item? Did Don Ciccone go on to release anything commercially since 1989? What's he up to today? Thanks! Stephen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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