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Spectropop - Digest Number 880



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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. New York Party
           From: S'pop Team 
      2. Re: Fifth Estate
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      3. Re: Stolen Licks
           From: James Botticelli 
      4. Re: Crystals' "I Wonder"
           From: Phil Chapman 
      5. Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
           From: Alan Gordon 
      6. 1970 Lesley on Crewe
           From: John Frank 
      7. Carol Connors Interview
           From: John C 
      8. Referencing
           From: Steve Harvey 
      9. Bert Berns/Hoagy Lands
           From: Michael Edwards 
     10. Re: Fifth Estate
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     11. Chee Chee and Peppy on Buddah Records
           From: Louis 
     12. Re: Art Wayne Acetate
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
     13. Interesting British Invasion Quiz
           From: Javed Jafri 
     14. Mac & Katie Kissoon
           From: Louis 
     15. Re: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
           From: Mikey 
     16. Re: Bert Bens/Hoagy Lands/Elektras
           From: Phil Chapman 
     17. Re: Mac & Katie Kissoon
           From: Eddy 
     18. Re: Carol Connors/Collins
           From: Mick Patrick 
     19. Hoagy & Bert
           From: Martin Roberts 
     20. Re: Hoagy & Bert
           From: Simon White 
     21. Re: Bert Berns / Hoagy Lands / the Elektras
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:02:37 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: New York Party New York Party Reminder Spectropop & Cha Cha Charming present SHINDIG, a celebration of sixties pop Date: Friday June 20th Time: 8:00 pm Location: The Slipper Room, 167 Orchard Street (on the corner of Stanton Street), Downtown NYC DJs, go-go girls and a performance by the girl group, IT'S MY PARTY! See a picture of these lovelies here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst Party organiser Sheila B is currently working on a flyer and website, so more details will come soon. There will be a discount list for Spectropop members, so please email your name to: sheila@chachacharming.com See you there! The S'pop Team Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:30:10 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: Fifth Estate Clark wrote: > Bobster, not sure which CD David referred you to, but there is a nice > one with some 30 tracks out there that I think the Fifth Estate put > out themselves...having given props there, there will be a new > Cd of this stuff coming in the next year with superior sound, so you > can decide. Clark, could you let us know who'll be releasing this CD and where we can look out for it? Thanks, Guy. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:53:26 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Stolen Licks Artie Wayne: > JB...... Let's not forget the intro to "My Guy" by > Mary Wells is "Canadian Sunset." regards, Artie Wayne Then the Doors ended "Touch Me" with a lick from the Ajax commercial: "stronger than dirt." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:16:18 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Crystals' "I Wonder" Ian: > Couldn't agree more Robert. In the Rob Finnis book, "The > Phil Spector Story", Larry Levine described Phil as > "overstepping the mark with the echoes on those late > Crystals things......they were messy." While that might > possibly be true of "All Grown Up", I fervently disagree > about "Little Boy" and "I Wonder". I enjoy hearing the > Wall of Sound at its extreme, and the productions on those > two tracks are powerful, yet controlled, giving an impression > of a reigned-in thunderstorm. The intro to "Little Boy" > never fails to take my breath away, especially played > floor-shakingly loud!! Seconded! Structurally, the Crystals' "I Wonder" is the turbo-charged "Uptown". But what a record!! When I first heard "I Wonder" I couldn't associate it with any reality, such as actual people/musicians; it was just an overwhelming soundscape. The mix is saturated by a waterfall of percussion, with drums quarry-blasting through on every fill, while the rhythm churns with the power of a cotton mill in full throttle. I saw The Crystals sing (lip-synch) this on TV (twice), and I was welded to the set. And how ironic that the whole racket, in concert with the self-conscious La La Brooks' incredible powerhouse delivery, merely expounds a song about a young girl intimately fantasizing a potential Mr. Right, not dissimilar to the sentiment of another Spector soundscape masterpiece, "Paradise". It's a simple tune, played fervently by world-class musicians.... Intellectual content virtually nil, excitement infinite. Hmm, the power of imagination. Interesting to note that the middle-8s of "I Wonder" and "Girls Can Tell" appear to be interchangeable. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:24:13 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller Anyone here know anything about this new release of ancient stuff: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller: The Lost Recordings. It's material by The Trophies, The Fleas and The Chimes, and songwriter demos (I think). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:30:52 -0700 From: John Frank Subject: 1970 Lesley on Crewe Patrick says in a recent post that Lesley "is duetting with Oliver - the single was released on Crewe Records around 1970. Lesley Gore released a handful of singles on the Crewe label,..." Regarding the 1970 duet: It's credited on the label to "Billy and Sue", I think. It took me a long time to hear these sides. I finally got most of them in a tape trade a few years ago. Here's some info: Lesley Gore: Tomorrow's Children/Why Doesn't Love Make Me Happy (Crewe 338; 1970) Billy & Sue: Come Softly To Me/ Billy & Sue's Love Scene (Crewe 343, 1970) Lesley Gore: When Yesterday Was Tomorrow/Why Me, Why You (Crewe 344, 1970) Lesley Gore: Quiet Love/Back Together (Crewe 601, 197?) Does anyone know anything about the last single? I only know of it from a listing in my reference to 45s. Thanks, Patrick, for the information on the other, jazz-oriented songs on your website. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:41:28 -0400 From: John C Subject: Carol Connors Interview Hello All, I thoroughly enjoyed Country Paul's interview with Carol Connors! I noticed on the scan of her "Carol Collins" 45 of "Dear One" on Dunes has a writing credit for F. Parris. That means that the "Dear One" she is singing is Fred Parris of the Five Satins' "Dear One", a ballad, which he recorded with his first group, The Scarlets for Bobby Robinson's Red Robin Records (#128) in 1954. Earl Lewis and The Channels also recorded a version for Channel Records in 1974. I never heard Carol's version. Is it also a ballad? Regards, John Clemente -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Referencing I think there is a difference between "referencing" another tune and stealing the melody or lyrics to basically rewrite the same song with your own name as a writer. Harrison got sued for a good reason. "My Sweet Lord" reminded me of "He's So Fine right off the bat. However, some people will drop a few notes or lines from another tune to make a connection. I remember Mark Bolan singing, "Meanwhile I'm still waiting" on his Bang A Gong. A nod to Chuck Berry's Carol. Unlike Lennon, who did the same thing in Come Together, he did not get sued. Bryan Ferry quotes Can I Get A Witness? by Marvin Gaye, I think, on his version of Shame Shame Shame. The Drifters are just reminding their fans of "Up On the Roof" in Boardwalk. I always thought it was a clever marketing bit. There is a Francoise Hardy record that has the same melody as a single Keith Relf put out. Both writers credits are different. It was on one of her Reprise LPs. I'll have to dig it out. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:47:48 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Bert Berns/Hoagy Lands We have had a few postings regarding the late great Bert Berns over the past few weeks and I would like to share one of his 45s with everyone. The title is "It Ain't As Easy As That" by Hoagy Lands from 1962. I got an e-mail message from Bert's son, Brett who offered the following comments: "I, too, am a huge fan of Hoagy Lands - I've been told that Hoagy was my dad's favorite singer he ever worked with, and judging from the discography, Hoagy Lands is the only artist that Bert recorded from the beginning in 1960 on Judi and ABC-Paramount until the end in 1967 (for an unreleased Bang track that he wrote and produced called "32 Miles Out Of Waycross"). "Lighted Windows", "I'm Gonna Cry Some Tears", "My Tears Are Dry", and "It's Gonna Be Morning" are all among my personal favorite BB songs." Brett goes on to say that: ""It Ain't As Easy As That" is another lost gem, and I would love to see it gain any kind of exposure. [Did you ever hear the Elektras' 1963 United Artists version, also produced by BB?]" No Brett, I have not heard the version by the Elektras but I would like to, if someone could post that to musica. In the meantime the 'lost gem', "It Ain't As Easy As That" by Hoagy Lands, is now playing in musica. It has a great uptempo Drifters/baion type sound. Enjoy the 45. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:57:41 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Fifth Estate Clark Besch wrote: > There is a nice one with some 30 tracks out there that I think > the Fifth Estate put out themselves. It includes a big booklet, > about 30 songs with many demos. Even includes Murray the K playing the D-Men 45 on his radio show in 1964! This compilation has so much going for it! As if Murray The K, and all those obscure tracks aren't enough... there's also a supposedly unreleased single ("How Can I Find The Way") that's actually the "Carol & Gerri" track on MGM that's a big Northern soul spin. There is also the original demo of "My Foolish Pride", which was recorded and released by the Wild Ones. A very diverse and entertaining CD! Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:25:11 -0000 From: Louis Subject: Chee Chee and Peppy on Buddah Records Does anyone here remember the Album and songs of Chee Chee and Peppy on Buddah Records from 1971, including the song "I Know I'm In Love" ? or know about them? Are there any other Yahoo Groups which cover this genre? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 06:31:50 -0700 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: Art Wayne Acetate Jeffrey Glenn wrote: > I picked up a one-sided acetate last weekend at the Pasadena > (CA.) record swap. The track is "Open Up Your Heart" with > no artist listed. Clark Besch: > Jeff, your acetate is definitely the US Males' song, but not > their version of it. US Males version was more polished than > yours is as I remember it. Great record and flip "Come Out of > the Rain" is even better! "Rain" is a Mike Rabon (5 Americans) > tune, which makes sense since their label was a subsidiary of > Abnak, the 5 Americans label. Hopefully, Sundazed will do an > Abnak CD with various hits like this on it, since they own all > the Abnak tapes now." Clark, thanks for the info; now we need Artie to check and see what he can add. And knowing that Britania was an Abnak subsidiary gives me hope that I'll be able to find a copy of the U.S. Males 45 here in California though an Abnak comp would be a great disc for Sundazed to release. Jeff http://lostjukebox.tripod.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:26:11 -0400 From: Javed Jafri Subject: Interesting British Invasion Quiz A very interesting audio quiz of lesser known British Invasion album tracks, B-sides etc. can be found here: http://www.ardini.com/ Have a go but please do not post your answers here or to any discussion group, The email to post your answers to is listed on the web page. Javed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:25:52 -0000 From: Louis Subject: Mac & Katie Kissoon Does anyone know what became of Mac & Katie Kissoon or any way to contact them? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:52:03 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller > Anyone here know anything about this new release of ancient > stuff: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller: The Lost > Recordings. Yes, I do. My friend Steve Massie did the audio transfers. It's all the 1961-62 Challenge Records material. There are some remixed tracks from the multi-tracks. Steve says that the sound is AMAZING, that the tapes were in perfect shape and they got very clean digital transfers. I'm going to try and get this tonight, actually. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:55:57 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Bert Bens/Hoagy Lands/Elektras Mike: > Brett goes on to say that: ""It Ain't As Easy As That" is another > lost gem, and I would love to see it gain any kind of exposure. > [Did you ever hear the Elektras' 1963 United Artists version, also > produced by BB?]" No Brett, I have not heard the version by the > Elektras but I would like to. Hi Mike, If you check out John Clemente's "Baby Jane & The Rockabyes" article (A Spectropop presentation), you'll read about The Elektras: http://www.spectropop.com/BabyJane/ - Here's the relevant paragraph: " Since Leiber and Stoller smelled success, they decided to try again, this time with a Drifterish sounding ballad, with tempo changes for the choruses. 'All I Want To Do Is Run' was a more daring attempt at another pop hit, so maybe that's why Leiber and Stoller elected to release this single under a new name, the Elektras. At the session, Trio Music's production team was in on the fun. Bert Berns directed and co-wrote the song (as Bert Russell with Carl Spencer) and Teacho Wiltshire arranged. There is also the presence of male vocalists in the background, most likely Arthur Crier's Halos, creating the sound of a mixed group. Madelyn's animated soprano is given more free movement on this waxing, likewise for the flip, 'It Ain't Easy'." Both sides are good NY soul in BB's tradition, sounding a little like The Exciters IMHO. I've played it to musica, as requested. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:09:50 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Mac & Katie Kissoon Louis: > Does anyone know what became of Mac & Katie Kissoon... Not sure about Mac, but Katie became a very much in demand session singer, backing up such people as Elton John, Roger Waters, Van Morrison, Mike & Mechanics and many more. She also toured extensively with the Stones (she's on Flashpoint), but most of all for many years with Eric Clapton, including the Japanese tour he did with George Harrison. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:41:08 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Carol Connors/Collins John Clemente wrote: > I thoroughly enjoyed Country Paul's interview with Carol Connors! > I noticed on the scan of her "Carol Collins" 45 of "Dear One" on > Dunes has a writing credit for F. Parris. That means that the > "Dear One" she is singing is Fred Parris of the Five Satins' > "Dear One", a ballad, which he recorded with his first group, The > Scarlets for Bobby Robinson's Red Robin Records (#128) in 1954. > Earl Lewis and The Channels also recorded a version for Channel > Records in 1974. I never heard Carol's version. Is it also a ballad? I've posted to musica "Dear One" by Carol Collins, released on Dunes 2005 in mid-1961. It is indeed a version of the Scarlets' doo wop classic. So far, we have no absolute confirmation that Carols Connors and Collins are one and the same person. Click the link below, take a listen, and then tell me what you think. Maybe Country Paul could ask S'pop's favourite Teddy Bear to lend a shell-like too: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ It's interesting to note that Carol's colleague in the Teddy Bears - some fella named Phil Spector - produced a version of the same song for Billy Storm at Atlantic Records in January of the same year. Will you be at the S'pop/Cha Cha Charming "Shindig" in NY, John? Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:33:45 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Hoagy & Bert Thanks Mike for playing Hoagy Lands' "It Ain't As Easy As That" to musica. What a blinding track! And with Phil also playing The Elektras' version (although on this occasion I prefer the A-Side "All I Want To Do Is Run") some super music to be had. Always great to hear the music of Bert Berns who worked in so many styles but who you felt was at his happiest with the aforementioned truly soulful performances. And how cool to have his son Brett on S'pop. The site he has is a fine and worthy tribute to his father, well worth checking out: http://www.bertberns.com/ Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:52:43 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Hoagy & Bert How wonderful this all is ! Hoagy had a couple of 'Northern' hits, notably "The Next In Line" (hear those Chiffons!) on Laurie. He came over to the UK just before he passed away a few years ago and I was lucky enough to see him - and he was great! It was a very emotional experience. There is a 1971 UK reissue of another Laurie track "Friends And Lovers Don't Go Together" (more Chiffons!), great in itself, but the flip, "True Love At Last" was not issued anywhere before.... or so I'm told. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:07:29 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Bert Berns / Hoagy Lands / the Elektras Martin Roberts: > Thanks Mike for playing Hoagy Lands' "It Ain't As Easy As That" > to musica. What a blinding track! And with Phil also playing The > Elektras' version (although on this occasion I prefer the A-Side > "All I Want To Do Is Run") some super music to be had. As a special treat, and to prove to myself that I'm able, I've placed a cool shot of the Elektras in the photos section. What a fabulous group they were, although an acquired taste, I'm told. Click below to cop a look at them: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=The+Elektras.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t I had the pleasure of seeing Hoagy Lands perform at the 100 Club a couple of years ago. Although he was not in the best of health, he gave a very dramatic performance that night, breaking down in tears more than once. It really was quite an emotional experience. He may well have been the best vocalist Bert Berns ever worked with, his version of "Baby Come On Home" on Atlantic being a very tough record to beat, if you care for gut-wrenching, gospel-drenched uptown soul, which I *do*. I realise that *soul* music is not necessarily a favourite genre among some S'poppers. To those folk I say, remember that Bert Berns owned and ran the Bang label, home of the Strangeloves, the McCoys, Neil Diamond and a host of other great *pop* acts. In fact, I understand that Hoagy Lands recorded some tracks for Bang that were never released. What an utter treat it would be for us all if *someone* (no names, Brett) posted them to musica for us to hear. Like they say, if you don't ask, you don't get! :-) More recently I was talking to Ernie Maresca who worked with Hoagy at Laurie Records. He was full of praise for the great guy. Watch out for a new-to-CD Maresca/Lands collaboration on a forthcoming Ace release. There's a CD full of Bert Berns' British productions crying out to be put together. All the tracks were on UK Decca, so the licensing should be quite straightforward. And with big names like Them and Lulu among the contenders, healthy sales would be guaranteed. If only I had my own record label! (Heavy sigh) "Here Comes The Night" by Lulu, what a sensational record! Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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