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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Oldies radio - alternatives
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      2. Detroit Cobras new alb
           From: Mikael 
      3. Oldies - Decline of Radio and Music?
           From: Rex Strother 
      4. Lost and Found/more oldies radio
           From: Stewart Mason 
      5. Early Nancy Sinatra
           From: John Frank 
      6. Re: Rag Dolls
           From: Ian Slater 
      7. Re: Banned songs;
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      8. Oldies Radio
           From: Gary Krebs 
      9. Oldies & false rumors
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     10. Re:  Decline of Radio and Music?
           From: Mary S. 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:35:46 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Oldies radio - alternatives > Here is my dream if I had the money. I would create an "Alternate > Universe" top 40 radio station. It would mimic the golden age of > top 40 radio but play all non-top 40 material. In other words, > it would make hits of songs that did not make it to the top 40. > The station would play hundreds of well recognized artists' OTHER > songs! I think it would be a very exciting thing to do. I guess > we already do this kind of thing with our homemade tapes and CDs! I'm attempting to do this on Live365.com with my own station "60s Jangle Radio". It's basically my own hodgepodge of 60s favorites featuring long lost 45s that should have been hits (IMO) along with LP tracks from popular 60s artists and just a few Top 40 hits that Oldies stations have ignored over the years. Check it out at: http://www.live365.com/stations/88545 Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:28:42 +0200 From: Mikael Subject: Detroit Cobras new alb Hi cats, Does anyone know who did the original to DC's "Ya Ya Ya" version that is on their new record. Someone here whispered Johnny Horton, but I'm not sure about that. Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:00:13 -0600 From: Rex Strother Subject: Oldies - Decline of Radio and Music? I agree with what everyone sez, even though at 42 - all that 70s crap that is slipping into "oldies" does appeal to my teen years. I wonder why radio PDs don't choose to slip in one "wild" non-hit choice after every 10th "safe" song (can you say "Bus Stop"?) to slowly acclimatise folks to "new" oldies. I think even Joe Average could handle and enjoy that. I read an interesting essay about music that suggested it is the mass availability of music that damages diversity and talent. Example: before records (which we all love), if you wanted to hear a song - you had to play it yourself. You or friends or family had to pick up an instrument and buy the sheet music. Even radio was "live" - live bands and vocalists. Once records took over - well, you had music without effort. And at first, you had diversity. But - as we can tell from the state of things today - no company wants to sell 10,000 units when they can sell 2,000,000 of the same thing. All the upfront costs are taken care of; it's pure profit as the numbers ratchet up. Truth is, it seems, Americans love to mythologize the value of the individual and the lone wolf genius-type, but often reward mediocrity and conformity (can you say Big Mac, can you say Microsoft Windows?). So we all like to buy the latest, well-marketed "slick" album (can you say Norah Jones?), leaving less time and money to diversify. Plus we remain safely part of the "in" crowd. Beyond that - if fewer folks actually play instruments (and I don't count those who simply paste sampled loops together), or have been raised on regurgitated formats and chord progressions, how can they appreciate which artist today might have real talent, rather than teased hair or cleavage (can you say J-Lo, whose latest album title should simply be "All My Talent Is In My Blouse.)? My point (and there must be one)? I think radio - any media - gives us what we want (the statistical "us"). Someone said: We always deserve what we settle for. So - who wants to start a radio station? I've got some costumes in the barn! Rex -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:05:17 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Lost and Found/more oldies radio JimmyBee writes: > ...I started a show called "Lost & Found" on college radio > back in the early 80s. We, the original five DJs ... had but > one rule: it could never have been a hit. At first we toyed > with the idea of naming the show "The Flipside of the Followup" > but thought it too precious. So L&F it became. I thought Lost and Found was originally called Needles and Pinza, Jimmy! That's where I stole the name for my now-dormant Live365 station, anyway. > ...60s pop was widely scorned as the Garage Rock/ > Roots of Punk became the thing. I later branched into exclusively > obscure soul, but it was a great few years while it lasted... Actually, I'm a huge fan of WMBR's Lost and Found, which I try to listen to every day. (Especially when Eli Polonsky's on deck, although I must admit I still really miss Magnus.) It is, indeed, exactly what Neil wants: the secret history of '50s/'60s/early '70s rock. Now that I live in Boston full-time, I'd really love to get back into college radio and become a WMBR broadcaster (though I worry a bit about time commitments), and a slot on Lost and Found would be ideal for me. However, I'm not sure who's currently programming the show, and if my ideas for my slot would be welcomed: I have strong opinions on what makes a good oldies playlist (as if you couldn't tell from my original screed), which would not only be heavy on the usual Spectropop suspects, but also a fair amount of musical oddities from the era and even the occasional small slice of '50s/'60s jazz. (Heavy on the bossa nova -- Astrud is something of a goddess to me.) Thing is, though, and I think this makes me something of a heretic amongst oldies fans: I think it's well past time we inch up the barrier line as to what constitutes an "oldie." I believe I've said this here before, but I submit that oldies radio should hew to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame guideline (which I think is the only useful element of that increasingly worthless and beside-the- point institution) of 25 years. If a song is 25 years old, it's an oldie, and it's acceptable to play it on oldies radio. I admit that this is an extremely freaky idea (especially for those of us on the younger end of the Spectropop demographic), since it means that songs from 1978 are now permissible on oldies radio. ("Hey! I was buying records in 1978! No song I liked on the first go-round should be allowed to be called an oldie!") But if you think about it, there is a whole era of our musical history, roughly from 1975 to the dawn of MTV, that's being ignored by every playlist except those "We play 'Stairway To Heaven' and 'Hotel California' every hour on the hour" stations, and it's ripe for re-discovery. And when you hear the songs together, trust me, they make musical and thematic sense! It sounds RIGHT to hear ABBA's "Dancing Queen" next to "Then He Kissed Me," or the Clash's "White Riot" next to "Psychotic Reaction," or Blondie's "In the Flesh" next to any Shangri-Las song, or Shuggie Otis' "Strawberry Letter 23" next to "My Girl." It breaks down a wall that radio put up too long ago. But again, as I said in my original post, I'm not suggesting 1978 songs INSTEAD of 1958 songs, but rather ALONGSIDE them. The radio universe is large, but unlike Walt Whitman, it does not contain multitudes. But it should. Stewart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:20:03 -0700 From: John Frank Subject: Early Nancy Sinatra Someone asked about early songs of Nancy Sinatra. Early in the 1960s she was quite popular in Japan, judging from some pop charts I have from that country ("Like I Do", at least #4 (Nov. '62); "Tonight You Belong To Me", #12 (Mar. '63). Nothing charted nationally in the U.S. until 1965's "So Long Babe". In a series of tape trades I made with a man from Japan, I acquired quite a few songs from this period. Here's the data on them. This isn't meant as a complete discography but simply a list of her songs I received. Like I Do/Cuff Links & a Tie Clip - Reprise 20017, 1961 The End of the World - Reprise LP track (?) Put Your Head on My Shoulder/I See The Moon - Reprise 20144, 1963 June, July and August/Think of Me - Reprise 20097, 1962 The Cruel War/One Way - Reprise 20188, 1963 (She wrote "One Way") Just Think About the Good Times/Where Do The Lonely Go - Reprise 20263, 1964 To Know Him Is To Love Him/Not Just a Friend - Reprise 20045, 1962 Tammy/Thanks to You - Reprise 20238, 1964 There Goes the Bride/This Love of Mine - Reprise 0292, 1964 Tonight You Belong to Me/You Can Have Any Boy - Reprise 20127, 1963 True Love - Reprise 0335, 1965 The Japanese charts I mentioned earlier are pretty interesting for their international flavor. Some of the countries represented by the artists are Japan, the U.S., England, France, Italy and Brazil. John Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:22:57 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Re: Rag Dolls Justin and Natasha are seeking copies of "Society Girl" by the Rag Dolls. There is a copy for auction on eBay at present: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525958163&category=22668 It's not a rare record and crops up fairly often on web-based record sites. GEMM is another place to look. Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:41:40 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Banned songs; "Soldier Boy" too sensitive of a song!!! Am I supposed to be flattered?? Just let me get out my Eric Andersen, Tim Buckley, Buffy Sainte-Marie and start blasting those at Federal Plaza in the Loop!!! "A mighty wind is blowing" indeed!!! Peace, love, green tea and SRC! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:05:37 -0400 From: Gary Krebs Subject: Oldies Radio Check Ed and George at http://www.rockinoldies.com/ They have a show from 6pm till Midnight on Saturday night. They have no standard playlist and a library of oldies which is unbelievable. They are also two of the nicest guys out there still spinning the gold. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:55:17 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Oldies & false rumors I just checked out the Urban Legends web site because I had to see the Clear Channel list for myself. I can't believe a radio station should have to apologize for playing a record such as "Celebration" (Kool & The Gang). We have reached a pretty pass, haven't we. And I don't even LIKE that song. (But after seeing the entire list, I'm glad the rumor was false.) Although I agree with what Stewart Mason and others have said about the oldies stations, I don't even like to use the term "oldies" anymore. Back in 1969, an oldie played on the AM pop stations could be a record that was out as recently as six months earlier. To each their own decade. I was an adolescent through most of the seventies and there were many songs that I liked, hits or not, but for me what does it about the 6Ts is the political and social environment here, in Canada, and in much of western Europe. At my sister's wedding in 1983 I danced to "Celebration" (a local lounge band's version, at any rate) and felt very little. I couldn't help but wonder how difficult it would have been for them to tackle "Strangers in the Night" or "Somethin' Stupid". Worse yet, what if I had approached the DJ with a well-worn copy of "Little Miss Sad" (The Five Impressions/Emprees) and said, "Play this or I'll knock over the punch bowl!" Unfortunately, speaking just for myself, I doubt anybody in that well-meaning, buoyant crowd would have gotten out there and grooved to it. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:55:58 -0000 From: Mary S. Subject: Re: Decline of Radio and Music? Rex, I heartily agree with most of what you said. Since I am so very disappointed in what radio is offering up these days, I seldom listen to it. There are so few truly independent stations, anyway. Thank goodness for my records, tapes, and music videotapes (ones I taped myself before music changed so much for the worse, pre-recorded tapes such as Everly Brothers' specials, etc.)!!! There are now hundreds of "vocalists" who sound nearly identical. I don't understand this at all. Does anyone think this is a GOOD thing?? I can't bear to hear the "whisper singing" that has now been in vogue for years, or the hateful lyrics of so much rap, which is really just a bunch of shouting set to "rhythm" from drum machines. What has happened to vocal music blends? I always loved groups and duos because of the magic that can happen when two or more excellent voices harmonize. Actually, there are still some country singers who can accomplish this, but there are also many more mediocre voices in country music than there used to be. I agree that things could possibly improve if a lot of people would take up playing musical instruments (real ones, not synthesizers that mimic other instruments, or drum machines). Mary S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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