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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
                  http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm
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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Oldies radio/Andrew
           From: Stewart Mason 
      2. Carter-Lewis
           From: Mark Frumento 
      3. Susannah and cigars
           From: Alan Gordon 
      4. Re: 60's oldies are becoming a vanishing breed
           From: Jimmy 
      5. Re: L. Buckingham
           From: Scott 
      6. Banned songs; oldies; Cindy Ellis found
           From: Country Paul 
      7. RE: 60s inspired CDs
           From: Delia Barnard 
      8. Rag Dolls
           From: Natasha McNamee 
      9. BANG THE DRUM RAPIDLY
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     10. New WSAI, Cincinnati
           From: John Fox 
     11. Al Hazan - Annette Tucker
           From: Rex Strother 
     12. Song Information Needed: "Still"
           From: Mark Frumento 
     13. List of Spector Covers from 60s, 70s onwards
           From: Rob Stride 
     14. Re: The Del-Vetts
           From: David Coyle 
     15. Re: Banned songs
           From: Roger Smith 


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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:36:21 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Oldies radio/Andrew Ronnie Allen writes: > I keep hearing more and more that 60s oldies are gradually > in the process of being totally phased out on oldies > stations throughout the country.....there are younger people > in authority making decisions who are totally not into 50s > and 60's music at all... It's troubling enough to me that > so many oldies stations have for so long stuck to the same > rotation of generic oldies ad infinitum while ignoring many > other oldies that were as big on the chart and at least just > as good. But what's even more troubling is the thought that > the folks in charge of today's oldies radio are more and more > totally writing off an entire generation of music lovers. As a somewhat younger-skewing member of Spectropop, I look at oldies radio and its version of pop music history from a slightly different perspective. Unlike many of us, I wasn't there at the time (I was alive for exactly the last six months of the '60s, and my earliest musical memories are from the circa-'72/'73 AM radio playlists), and that's both limiting and oddly freeing. I discovered '60s pop music first from my older sisters' singles collections and later, as a high school student in the mid-to-late '80s, courtesy of the MTV- led Monkees revival: I bought the Rhino reissues of the albums, and then I worked my way through the rest of the Rhino reissue catalogue courtesy of the descriptions printed on the inner sleeves. Coming at the '60s from this direction, it mattered little to me where these songs placed on the Billboard charts at the time -- if FOREVER CHANGES and TURTLE SOUP hadn't been huge hits, well, that was clearly the fault of the radio and the audience, not the bands! But unfortunately, this fondness for '60s pop wasn't entirely common among members of my generation, and frankly, part of the reason for that is because oldies radio stations across the country have, by and large, sucked. (Note: I realize that there are some genuinely good oldies radio stations out there -- Albuquerque's Big 98.5 and Oklahoma City's KOMA come immediately to mind -- but I'm referring to the uninspired satellite stations that you'll find in every market.) According to these stations, there are about 10 Beatles songs, about six Rolling Stones songs, about three Monkees and Beach Boys songs, and one or two songs per Motown star. You're lucky if you hear a single Who song, you *might* hear "You Really Got Me", but the Kinks are otherwise invisible, and the groups that were really influential but never had a hit, like the Velvet Underground? Yeah, right. Man cannot live on "Dancing in the Street" alone, but oldies radio has only itself to blame for failing to get younger listeners interested in their playlists, because those playlists have been calcified to death over the years. The program directors seem to be utterly uninterested in music from *any* era, which is sadly typical of program directors in all genres. An oldies radio program director who had half a clue would recognize that merely adding a few fresh tunes -- in addition to, mind, not instead of -- the usual Motown Monday and Beatle Brunch playlists would catch the ear of people who don't normally listen to the radio. And in every city, that's the largest demographic. More people DON'T listen to the radio than do...haven't the consultants thought to ask why that is??? Think about it. "The kids" today are mad for the likes of the White Stripes and the Hives. Hasn't it occurred to anyone that this means "the kids" would get off on Love's "Seven and Seven Is," the Creation's "Making Time," or the Shangri-Las' "Train From Kansas City"? But they don't know that these songs exist, because they never hear them on the radio! And that's not the audience's problem. It's radio's problem. Naturally, if anyone knows of any PD openings at struggling radio stations in the Boston metro area, I'm available to single-handedly swoop in and save them... In other news, I've just heard the latest album by Andrew (known to Spectropoppers everywhere as pop historian extraordinare Andrew Sandoval), HAPPY TO BE HERE. It's his best effort yet, with the orchestrated '60s sunshine pop influences of his earlier work in service of a much stronger batch of songs. Zombies/Bee Gees/Gary Zekley fans take note...oh, and the Cyrkle's Tom Dawes sings and plays bass on one track. It's on the estimable Bus Stop label: http://www.busstoplabel.com S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:14:53 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Carter-Lewis I don't often go the home page of this site but now that I have... it's good to see Carter-Lewis and the Southerners pictured there. For fans of John Carter's work there's good news: RPM is releasing a two CD anthology in August or so. I think Kingsley A. mentioned this last year. Good news for UK harmony pop fans.... or any harmony pop fan for that matter. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:42:05 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Susannah and cigars Tom Taber said re."Cuddly Toy": > As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. So who is this know-it-all "Freud" fella? Monkees historian? Steve Harvey wrote re Susannah Hoffs + "Cuddly Toy": > Did you try to claim the dinged car was yours, but > you'd be willing to forget it all if only she'd. . . > we're ready for the story about skinnydipping with > the Go-Gos now. Oh fine. Now lets all make fun of the guy who used to have hair. Actually I met Charlotte Caffey at a weird 50s party in L.A. sometime in the very early '80s. But there wasn't any dipping involved... 'cept the chips. Ronnie Allen: > ....So sad that 60s oldies are becoming a vanishing > breed I'm with you Ronnie. It's sad. We still have one '60s oldies stations here in San Francisco (KFRC). No 50s stations anymore. Been a while too, I think. I under- stand that there is "Oldies" stuff on them new-fangled satellite radio stations. I heard they have very specific kinds of stations, so maybe. One cool thing we do have is a "Swing" station (KABL) that plays (obviously) a lot of '40s and early '50s music. It does play a little contemporary Swing, and some odd things that they must think are Swing. Poor deluded folks. peace, love, peter max, santana, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:08:55 EDT From: Jimmy Subject: Re: 60's oldies are becoming a vanishing breed Ronnie, I totally agree. The 1970s? They make me yawn and become physically bored. There will never be another year like 1963. Ever. ==Jimmy== -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:30:00 EDT From: Scott Subject: Re: L. Buckingham Country Paul asked: > Lindsey Buckingham's "Gift Of Screws" - where did you hear > it? Can it be found anywhere? Off-list reply is fine. Actually I'd be interested in this as well, off-list. Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:34:10 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Banned songs; oldies; Cindy Ellis found So I get to the Shirelles' website (hosted by Beverly Lee, by the way) and there's a link to a story in the Toronto Sun that "Soldier Boy" is one of 100 songs pulled off the CHUM playlist due to "sensitivity" over the war! Read about it at http://www.theshirelles.com/Toronto.pdf. (Truth is really becoming stranger than fiction these days.) But it gets weirder: according to the Sun, US megalithic multi-station owner Clear Channel not only banned anti-war songs, but even cleared its playlist of people who died in plane crashes (!), like Rick Nelson and Buddy Holly, and even restricted the Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian"! (Golly, Mr. Channel, thank you for protecting my sensitive ears! :-( ) Ronnie Allen: > Nowadays the term "oldie" seems to refer to music of the > 70s, the 80s and even the early 90s! We are indeed "aging out," Ronnie, and our music is being relegated to the 1000-watt AMs where "middle road" pop was shunted 10 years ago. It's as if we who have made it to our peak earning and spending years are being disposed of as irrelevant for the sin of allegedly "not being reachable" by advertisers who feel that we are beyond switching brands of their products. Our "last best hope" should be internet radio - but that too is being regulated out of existence, or at least into unwarranted submission to stiff fees. So our listening on the net to out-of-print or boutique recordings is getting caught up in the crackdown of trading mainstream in-print product. (Of course, if commercial radio was doing a better job....but that's another discussion.) I think the mission of "us old guys" (ouch, it hurts to say that, but that's how we're perceived) is to offer our knowledge to as many of the next generations as are willing to listen - not to resurrect the past, but to understand, learn from and build on to it. Luckily, I like many kinds of music, new, "oldie," and older; but to lose any part of my repertoire leaves a hole. Enough philosophy, except to thank Neil Hever and Rob Stride for turning us on to newer music that embodies the soul and spirit of the older. (And don't forget my friend Alice Bierhorst, http://www.alicebierhorst.com - part '60s, many parts of lots else.) Aside from the archives of S'pop-type tracks being seemingly endless, thanks to our erudite contributors, the new stuff in the classic spirit "keeps it green" from the current side as well. Grail found: Thanks to some outside help, I found 3 additional songs by Cindy Ellis ("Do You Think of Me," Laurie, 1959-60 in the US) on a clean original Polydor 4-song EP with a nice picture cover. That's the good news. The other news is that despite Ms. Ellis' excellent voice, the other tracks are rather weak. (Maybe the lyrics are wonderful, but I don't understand German.) She covers "Fever" in the Peggy Lee version, but with some big band horns doing fills; the other two songs are by the same writer as the hit, but not of the same quality; plus, they are VERY middle-road. Nonetheless, it's interesting having Bert Kaempfert's first productions, and to hear how - and how quickly - he "got it" and developed into the top-notch arranger he became. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:08:53 +0100 From: Delia Barnard Subject: RE: 60s inspired CDs I can also recommend the Mooney Suzuki for a kind of uptempo blend of Zombies/Kinks/Rolling Stones type sounds! Delia -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:03:27 +0100 (BST) From: Natasha McNamee Subject: Rag Dolls I'm trying to find Rag Dolls mp3s and other oldies, and I'm finding nothing!! Help!! Natasha -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:55:28 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: BANG THE DRUM RAPIDLY Go here. You'll love this site: http://drummerworld.com/index2.html Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:28:10 EDT From: John Fox Subject: New WSAI, Cincinnati Ronnie Allen: > So sad that 60s oldies are becoming a vanishing breed I'm happy to report that there is a "new" WSAI in Cincinnati, at 1530 on the AM dial (50,000 watts but still a relatively weak signal due to its position on the "right end" of the dial). The station plays songs from 1955 to about 1967, has a huge playlist, plays obscure oldies, has lots of all-request shows, and brought back a number of old DJs including the legendary Dusty Rhodes. John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:49:00 -0600 From: Rex Strother Subject: Al Hazan - Annette Tucker I happen to know that Al Hazan and Annette Tucker stay in regular contact via phone and email. Martin - I bet if you ask Al Hazan real nice (hey, get up an email campaign!), he might encourage Annette to check out Spectropop and possibly make herself available for questions about her many songwriting credits. Rex -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:26:32 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Song Information Needed: "Still" I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the song "Still" written by Burton/Plummer? I think the song is also known as "I'm Still In Love With You." Other than the obscure 60s beat band version I have I can only find reference to versions by Lavern Baker and Roy Orbison. The song I have sounds like an early to mid-60s soul song. It reminds me a lot of "I Can't Stand Up For Falling Down." Any additional information (i.e. original version) and/or an mp3 would be much appreciated. Please contact me off list if you can help. Thanks Mark F. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:22:48 -0000 From: Rob Stride Subject: List of Spector Covers from 60s, 70s onwards I wonder if anyone can help me? Is there anywhere that I can get a list of artists that have covered songs produced or written by Phil Spector? I know there must be an incredible amount because some time ago I started collecting covers of "Be My Baby" & "Baby I Love You" and was really amazed just how many versions of those two songs that there were out there. I'm sure that somewhere there must be a definitive list but I dont know where to look. Can anyone help? All the best Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Del-Vetts "I Call My Baby STP" is a pretty good song, although I'll agree that it does nothing to match "Last Time Around." There's another Del-Vetts tune on that Sundazed comp (I think it was a b-side of one of the aforementioned songs), "That's The Way It Is," which is too close to sounding like "Set You Free This Time" from the second Byrds LP. While the Del-Vetts are fairly remembered mostly for "Last Time Around," I'm sure they were a pretty great live band, adept at many styles, be it folk-rock, garage punk or hot-rod music. They were just one of those bands whose recorded output didn't really do them justice more than once. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:23:22 -0400 From: Roger Smith Subject: Re: Banned songs Country Paul wrote: > But it gets weirder: according to the Sun, US megalithic > multi-station owner Clear Channel not only banned anti-war > songs, but even cleared its playlist of people who died in > plane crashes (!), like Rick Nelson and Buddy Holly, and even > restricted the Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian"! (Golly, Mr. > Channel, thank you for protecting my sensitive ears! :-( ) View the full list of songs at: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/radio.htm -- Roger -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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