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Spectropop - Digest Number 858

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Cousins
           From: James Botticelli 
      2. Re: a sort of Chicago-related question
           From: Phil Reynolds 
      3. Ronettes
           From: Phil Reynolds 
      4. Re: Susan Singer / Oriole Records Reissues
           From: Mark Wirtz 
      5. Re: Moulty and Hooke
           From: Phil Reynolds 
      6. Re: Adam Faith
           From: Michael Kemp 
      7. Re: The Star Maker Machinery
           From: Stratton Bearhart 
      8. "Cuddly Toy" -- Nilsson/Monkees
           From: David Coyle 
      9. Re: Emitt Rhodes
           From: Mark Frumento 
     10. Murmaids radio show tonight (Thursday)
           From: Ronnie Allen 
     11. Re: Lovin Spoonful -- live at the Night Owl
           From: David Coyle 
     12. Re: Adam Faith on CD
           From: Alan V. Karr 
     13. Re: Cousins
           From: Rat Pfink 
     14. Re: Susan Singer / Oriole Records Reissues
           From: Alan V. Karr 
     15. Re: Cousins; The Buckinghams
           From: Justin McDevitt 
     16. Patty Duke; Nedra Ross; Oriole
           From: Ian Chapman 
     17. Re: "Teenage Opera" lyrics
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     18. The Other Cousin
           From: Steve Harvey 
     19. Re: Summer of '68
           From: James Botticelli 

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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:42:39 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Cousins Ian Chapman wrote: > "...But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way...." There's Patty who likes to do the earthy blue collar stuff but Cathy adores a minuet, something something, and crepes suzettes and Patty's only seen the lights that seem to shine on Brooklyn Heights - what a crazy pair. One set of matching haircuts, different as night and day (botched that one, I know!) Which reminds me, has anyone heard Patty's U.A. LP "Patty Sings Songs From The Valley Of The Dolls & Others"? Fantastic LP of lowbrow pop masquerading as Supper-Clubia -- James Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:55:04 -0500 From: Phil Reynolds Subject: Re: a sort of Chicago-related question Relating to Creature Features music, the theme song to the Saturday night fright show was by Henry Mancini from the movie "Experiment in Terror". It's a gem.... Incidentally, Link Wray's "Rumble" was used by WFLD ch.32 for Svengooli/Chicago DJ Jerry G Bishop (and son of Svengooli/ Rich Koz). Also, it does my heart good to hear the discussion re: the Chicago groups, having seen many of them live during the 60-70s and under their current line-ups. I recently saw Jim Peterick/Ides of March live, and they have an absolute killer double live CD available on their web site. It has all their hit(s), including the local ones ("You Wouldn't Listen to Me") as well as spectacular covers of "Tobacco Road" and "Dancing In the Streets". The Ides also put brass to Jim Peterick's solo outing as well as his Survivor hits ("Eye of the Tiger" and "High on You" ) and lots more. The best recent Chicago area concert was last fall at the Hardrock/Chicago as it was a benefit for former Cryan Shames guitarist Isaac Guillory, who recently passed away in England from cancer. Post-Shames, he recorded a self titled album released here in the States on Atlantic, but was a true presence in the English folk scene and released many albums overseas. Bob Stroud (natch) did a great job hosting, but the evening saw the reuniting of the original Shames members (including Jim Fairs, etc) as well as sets by Jimmy Sohns and the current Shadows of Knight, the current New Colony Six, Jimmy Rogers and the Mauds, members of the Ides of March, Ronnie Rice, the Buckinghams and more. A great time, for a good cause. The Ides, NC6, American Breed, and others still make a good weekend living in the Midwest, with the Buckinghams still going on a national scale and releasing new material. A word if I may about the Exceptions, a true Chicago treasure. I have some original 45s as Kal David & the Exceptions as well as the origianl "This Is How Much I Love You" (which Ron Riley tried to push on his Sunday night new release show) backed w/"Girl From New York City". In the past 18 months or so, there have new individual recordings by many of the original members, and it's great to hear them and that they are staying current. The original guitarist, Kal David (Rovin' Kind, Illinois speed press, Fabulous Rhinestones, session work, John Mayall, etc) has a blues club in Palm Springs and released a terrific live recording of he and his current band, the Real Deal. Go to for information. His replacement, Jim Vincent/ne: Donlinger (Aorta, Rotary Connection, Lovecraft, Azteca, session work, 05 solo releases is back into music, has acquired, remastered, and re-released his solo catalog from Caribou and Myrrh. He also has some jazz related new recordings worth checking out - he should be able to be reached at - He's also working on a bio. Obviously, bassist Peter Cetera continues as a MOR artist, but multi-instrumentalist Marty Grebb (not Grebe, it was a misspelling that continues to haunt him) (Buckinghams, Lovecraft, Fabulous Rhinestones, Bonnie Raitt, Leon Russell, the Band/others) released a blues oriented CD, called "Smooth Sailin" on Telarc 83478. It's good, with his original songs showcasing his guitar, organ, sax talents. He has no website, but it should be found via Amazon and others. The Exceptions also gave us Billy Herman (Aorta, NC6,etc) and Jimmy Nyeholt on keyboards (Aorta, Rotary Connection, others). Anyway, the group truly supplied alot of talent, that is still active and current. Thanks for providing a memory and a chance to share some. I'm all for the Sundazed releases, my 45s of the Shames, Buckinghams (the original USA) etc. are beat, and this includes the NC6 on Centaur/Sentar and Sunlightlabels. HP Lovecraft still remains a favorite. Bye -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:22:49 -0500 From: Phil Reynolds Subject: Ronettes For the girl group/Ronettes lovers, maybe you can help me. In Ronnie Spector's bio and other sources it appears that cousin/member Nedra Ross (Talley) married a Christian DJ and stopped touring etc. Awhile ago, I found an album by Nedra Ross from 1978 on New Song/Jubilation label - a division of Myrrh, the Christian music label in Waco. The album is called "Full Circle". While there in no specific mention of the Ronettes, the front cover shows a full shot of Nedra in front of a theatre, on which the marquee reads: "Tonight: The Ronettes - One Night Only 8:00" with a large picture of all three Ronettes underneath prominently displayed. I've never seen this listed on any Ronettes discographies, so any further observations from the Spectropop world would be welcomed. Also, Christian star (and ex-Glass Harp guitarist) Phil Keaggy played a prominent role in playing, vocals, and writing. Thanks -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:31:23 -0400 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Susan Singer / Oriole Records Reissues I believe that veteran ace engineer Mike Ross is a member here (he recently tracked me down via this group) - he would be an ideal person to ask [about Susan Singer/Oriole Records]. Mike was one of two resident engineers at Levy Studios (I had forgotten all about the "Levy" bit and only remembered it as "Oriole" studios). In fact, Mike and I took our first steps there together in "big time" record making (he engineered all my pre-EMI sessions, including " A Touch Of Velvet"). When CBS bought Oriole, Mike was part of the move and he subsequently engineered literally dozens and dozen of hit records for CBS through the years. He's still active there today and kicking ass. (In fact, I owe him a way, way overdue letter). I bet Mike knows and recalls at lot of Oriole's recording history, and the trail of any tapes! Wasn't there also a "Maureen (somebody)" who made some interesting records? By the way, Paul Simon recorded his original demo of "I Am A Rock" at Levy's (without Garfunkel). I remember it well! It sounded like an uptown Dylan thing that nobody could even in a million years have predicted to become not only a commercial hit, but a "classic". Mark Wirtz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:57:19 -0500 From: Phil Reynolds Subject: Re: Moulty and Hooke Dan: > Has anyone ever seen Moulty and J.C. Hooke together?? ...can't speak for Moulty, but J.C.Hooke (aka Jim Pilster) had his hook officially "mounted" on the wall of the Chicago Hardrock Cafe. In a moving ceremony, the Cryan Shames did their version of "Hook's On the Wall" to the tune of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall". I don't believe Moulty was in attendance. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:06:04 +0100 From: Michael Kemp Subject: Re: Adam Faith Mike Edwards: > ...As everything Adam recorded is out on CD..... Alan V. Karr: > Really? Everything???? (e.g. I Vibrate from Fontana > Drumbeat EP, HMV & Top Rank B sides etc. Just kidding) > Or just the hits, which definitely have been. Pretty sure > there are several UK LPs that havent made it to CD Well, I couldn't find "Big Time" (a kind of modulating "Mack the Knife"/"Lazy River"-type construction with in-yer-face bolshy teenage lyrics along the lines of "A-when the big times come, I'm gonna have me some; I'm gonna do the things, my Daddy never done" etc - used to drive my mother to distraction) on CD when I was trying to track my adolescent years in song a few years back... Michael Kemp Brighton -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:59:29 -0000 From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Re: The Star Maker Machinery Alan Gordon wrote: > "Emitt's third solo album sure reflects the heart of a very > depressed man. But I know dealing with certain Record Execs, > A&R guys and producers will affect a sensitive soul. Mixing > business with spirit is a tricky business indeed. Movies, > Music, Publishing, Art, etc., will always suffer from the > administrators' supposed vast "understanding" of any particular > business, and their insatiable need to control and suck the > soul of artists." I wanted to say what good luck befalls the 'sensitive soul' of the artist when it finds itself under the tutelage of a benevolent manager/Record Exec... There are more horror stories of quite the opposite, where the artist's gifts are coldly exploited. Joni Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" tells it well. There is a story that Brian Epstein arrived at Abbey Road whilst The Beatles were delving deep into psychedelia on Sgt Pepper. Epstein voiced his concern to The Lads over the studio intercom; "John, don't you think this is sounding a little weird" to which Lennon acerbically replied, "You worry about the f***** business, we'll worry about the f****** music" Which of course he did, facilitating the flow of The Beatles creativity... Stratton Bearhart. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: "Cuddly Toy" -- Nilsson/Monkees The fact that it passed the censors might have something to do with the fact that I always thought "cherry delight" was "charity light"(?). Now it all makes sense! On the other hand, the sexual overtones start with the very first line ("You're not the only cuddly toy that was ever enjoyed by any boy"), so the censors would have jumped all over it, except wasn't the song tucked away as an album track anyway? I don't think it was recorded with single or radio airplay in mind. Did it make the TV show? Now I'm intrigued... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:54:39 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes I wrote: > The question is was he alienated or did he alienate? > Probably some of both, I guess. Mr. Rhodes is not known > for having the best personality in the business. Alan Gordon replied: > Really??? I've never heard this before. I made a poor choice of words in my last sentence. To be fair the two stories I heard were more recent and more to his apparent resentment of the past. It would have been better put as a question. My personal feeling is that Emitt is/was quite talented but his talents were really out of time. To be blunt, I can understand why he didn't make it. If he stayed with his true talent people probably took his music as bubblegum. When he tried to change it just wasn't as good (to me). At least I feel that his last album is so all over the place that I can't make heads or tails of it. About the release of ER demos etc. I signed the petition that was on the web site originally. When I wrote the gentleman who runs the site he didn't answer my questions about the potential demo CD. While I'm not sure he'd sell 5000 CDs, there is certainly a good mini-market for a one-time limited edition. Wonder what happened to the idea? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:41:09 EDT From: Ronnie Allen Subject: Murmaids radio show tonight (Thursday) I'll be doing my one-hour live-by-phone Murmaids show this evening starting at 9 PM. I'm happy to report that a surprise famous guest (pre- recorded with me three days ago) is also going to be on the show! The URL for picking up the show is: This message may arrive too late for those of you who are digest subscribers. If you are an "individual message" subscriber then there is still time to e-mail a question at the address below if there's something you'd like me to ask the Murmaids during the show. Because of time constraints, I can't guarantee I will get around to using all submitted questions but I'll certainly try to use at least a few. Ronnie Allen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Lovin Spoonful -- live at the Night Owl Somebody had to mention this ill-fated CD, something I'd been looking forward to for quite some time, and now all the frustration I felt is coming back to the surface. Why would anyone think that a true fan of the Lovin' Spoonful would rather have a late '90s John Sebastian-less Spoonful "Live At The Hotel Seville" than the Spoonful in their prime at the Night Owl in 1965? Sure, someone who is clueless about their one-time greatness might buy this stuff at the state fair because maybe they liked the band they saw and wanted something for the guys to autograph, but that's about it. So, I wish someone would swallow a bit of pride and just release this "crappy pre-Kama Sutra recording." Let us judge for ourselves. We want to hear it! And while we're at it -- Paul Simon. Reissue the "Paul Simon Songbook" LP! Who cares if we can hear you tapping your feet!? There, I've said my piece... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:59:59 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: Adam Faith on CD Michael Kemp wrote: > Well, I couldn't find "Big Time".... on CD when I was trying > to track my adolescent years in song a few years back... Well, you may be delighted to know "Big Time" *is* available on the 2 CD comp "John Barry - The Hits and Misses" (Play It Again). There is even an audio excerpt from it at *m*z* Regards, Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:55:29 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Cousins Phil Milstein wrote: > Cathy, by the way, was Scottish, demonstrating the actress' > facility with accents. I'm not sure her last name was ever > revealed in the show. Lane, same as Patty's family... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:50:21 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: Susan Singer / Oriole Records Reissues Mark Wirtz wrote: > Wasn't there also a "Maureen (somebody)" > who made some interesting records? Maureen Evans made it to the UK Top 5 w/ "Like I Do", the same tune as "Hello Muddah..." Ponchielli's "Dance of The Hours". A lot of her discs were issued by CBS-Columbia in the States. Thank you for the commentary, hope someone will exhume Oriole masters one day. To some it's sacrilege but to me, if every US 45 from every label ever has to be unearthed and get a hearing, no matter how underproduced or lackluster then Oriole's and Ember's discs are worth it too. **** --While I've got your attention, what are the lyrics to that part of "Excerpt.." that goes " milk, no eggs..." It's bedeviled me for years! Thanks & regards, Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:21:13 -0500 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Re: Cousins; The Buckinghams Hello Spectropop, I believe that the correct lyrics to the Patty Duke show theme song are: "but they're cousins, identical cousins and you'll find, they laugh alike, they walk alike and sometimes even talk alike, you can loose your mind, when cousins are two of a kind". Loved the show, though Patty apparently didn't. Paul O'Keefe as Ross, (around my age) at the time was a cool guy - so was Richard, Patty's on-the-show boyfriend, trying to keep Patty in line in his awkward, galumphing teenage sort of way, though in actuality, his real age was around 24 years. Truth to tell, the most together character on the show was Patty's mother, (can't recall her real life name). In the first book of her autobiography, "my name is Ana", Patty concurs. I have really enjoyed the Chicago sound discussions. Not much to add, though whenever I hear "Back In Love Again", ( a song that packs a lot of wonderful up-tempo punch into its 2-min 20 or so seconds, I always feel a little wistful, a little sad. This was the last real chart hit for the Buckinghams. This was such a great song and at the time it was being played on the radio, I hoped that they would continue to chart, at least for a while longer. Also, let's face it, 1968 wasn't a great year, what with the assassinations of Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy, the Chicago riots at the Democratic national convention and Richard Daly's abhorrent treatment of many of the protesters, the capture of the Pueblo by North Korea, the brief taste of freedom by Czech citizens and their subsequent put-down by the Soviet Union etc. "Back In Love Again" was truly a bright light during the summer of that year. Yours in peace, Justin McDevitt P.S. Broke a temperature record this past Monday in these fair Twin Cities; 88 deg F. Today it's 36 degrees F and sleeting. Nevertheless, spring is on its way. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:26:56 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Patty Duke; Nedra Ross; Oriole Justin wrote: > Loved the show, though Patty apparently didn't. I think she once felt that way, Justin, but I recently caught a Patty interview on the E! channel, and she said she had since revised her opinion and realised that the show still holds a place in many hearts, which is why she did the "reunion special" TV movie in 1999. I don't know how current the interview was, tho'. Thanks to all who tried their hand at the theme song - the full lyrics can be found at: To Phil Reynolds, Nedra's "Full Circle" album dates from '78, and has been mentioned in various publications over the years, including the old "Philately" mags back in the 80s, the Jack Fitzpatrick/ John Fogerty book, "Collecting Phil Spector" and most recently in John Clemente's "Girl Groups". If you can find a copy, issue 31 of "Record Exchanger" mag ran a great Nedra interview in the early 80s, where she gave her take on the Ronettes' story with some fascinating snippets (does everybody know they were once briefly called the Rondettes?) She also talks about her Christian recordings (the "Full Circle" album is pictured) and says she actually became born-again in late '66, while she was still with the Ronettes. Nedra did another Christian album for the same label, entitled "The Courts Of The King", in '77. To Alan V. Karr, Nancy Sinatra did the original of "Like I Do" in '62, quite a different arrangement to Maureen Evans' hit version. I've always liked both equally. I loved the Oriole logo - for one thing, it's my favourite record label design ever (the yellow and black era, that is) As a burgeoning kid collector, I think the fact that it never seemed to be in the charts made it even more intriguing. I share your hope that the masters may one day become available, but I won't hold my breath. Shame - there's quite a few gems crying out for release. I could fill a whole CD with "Oriole Girls" for starters..... Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:44:03 -0400 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: "Teenage Opera" lyrics "... when Jack turns up, we'll give him hell no eggs, no milk, no marmalade labels..." Oh, why not go all the way: GROCER JACK (Excerpt from "A Teenage Opera") Music composed by Mark Wirtz - Lyrics by Keith West and Mark Wirtz Counts the days into years Yes, 82 brings many fears Yesterday's laughter turned to tears His arms and legs don't feel so strong His heart is weak, there's something wrong Opens windows in despair Tries to breath in some fresh air His conscience cries, "Get on your feet! Without you, Jack, the town can't eat!" Chorus: "Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack Get off your back Get into town Don't let them down - oh no, no!" The people that live in the town Don't understand He's never been known to miss his round "It's ten o'clock!" the housewives yell "When Jack turns up, we'll give him hell!" Husbands moan at breakfast tables No milk, no eggs, no marmalade labels Mothers send their children out To Jack's house to scream and shout Repeat Chorus (sung by children) A Sunday morning, bright and clear Lovely flowers decorate a marble square People cry and walk away Think about the fateful day Now they wish they'd given Jack More affection and respect The little children dressed in black Don't know what's happened to old Jack "Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack Is it true what Mommy says You won't come back? Oh no, oh no..." (c) 1967 Robbins Music Ltd. UK Very best, Mark (Wirtz) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: The Other Cousin Re. Patty Duke Show: And who can forget that seldom seen episode when Cathy and Patty were visited by their other cousin, Penny, from Liverpool? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:26:42 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Summer of '68 Justin McDevitt wrote: > let's face it, 1968 wasn't a great year......"Back In Love > Again" was truly a bright light during the summer of that year. (Just like) 1967 was the Summer of Love, 1968 was the Summer of Soft Rock, but that's just me. Politics makes strange bedfellows, music included apparently. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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