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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Shirley Ellis - New at S'pop
           From: S'pop Team 
      2. Re: war songs etc.
           From: Alan V. Karr 
      3. Re: The Chicago Sound --the Del-Sonics
           From: Nick Archer 
      4. Re: Scopitone questions
           From: Alan V. Karr 
      5. Re: Murmaids, Cathy Brasher
           From: Mikey 
      6. Re: Adam Faith
           From: Alan V. Karr 
      7. Re: Lindsey Buckingham - can i ask this?
           From: Dave Beard 
      8. Susan Singer, Helen Shapiro
           From: Mike Edwards 
      9. Re: Emitt Rhodes
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     10. Re: The Shapiro Cousins
           From: David Bell 
     11. Emitt Rhodes
           From: Alan Gordon 
     12. Re: S. Singer / Oriole Records Reissues
           From: Alan V. Karr 
     13. Re: Cousins
           From: Ian Chapman 
     14. Lovin' Spoonful... how many CCs was that anyway?   10?
           From: Alan Gordon 
     15. Re: Cousins
           From: Phil Milstein 
     16. A normal male is 9ccs, si, si?
           From: Steve Harvey 
     17. Re: Emitt Rhodes
           From: Steve Harvey 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:49:19 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: Shirley Ellis - New at S'pop Bronx-born singer-songwriter Shirley Elliston stormed the Top 10 three times between '63 and '65. Better known as Shirley Ellis, she's the girl who introduced the phrase "The Nitty Gritty" into common parlance and originated the much-revived pop classics "The Name Game" and "The Clapping Song". Working hand in hand with legendary rock'n' roll songsmith Lincoln Chase, the diminutive Shirley was also responsible for such nutty treasures as "Ever See A Diver Kiss His Wife While The Bubbles Bounce About Above The Water" and "The Puzzle Song (A Puzzle In Song)". Oh, she was a big favourite of George Harrison and Dusty Springfield and there wasn't a name that she couldn't rhyme! The Name Of The Game: The Story Of Shirley Ellis by Malcolm Baumgart and Mick Patrick is the latest instalment at the New At S'pop section. Enjoy: http://www.spectropop.com/ShirleyEllis/index.htm The S'pop Team Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:58:54 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: war songs etc. Alan Gordon wrote: > What about a song list of "Politics As A Bad Thing?" > Stuff like "Won't Get Fooled Again" (I am always surprised when > I find out that a lot of people didn't notice that the band had > all just piddled on the obelisk on the cover of that album). > ...or maybe happy stuff like armageddon songs (Eve Of Destruction). I'm kind of partial to the "answer" song to Eve..."Dawn Of Correction" by The Spokesmen, except for the part about the U.N. Regards, Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:19:42 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: The Chicago Sound --the Del-Sonics Does anyone know of a Chicago group called the Del-Sonics? One of the group members, Gerry Barber, lives here in Nashville. About ten years ago, he brought over some 4 track masters to listen to on my old Ampex machine. We did some mixdowns, but with no reference masters I have no idea if they match the originals. The sound did fit right in with other Chicago groups, though. I could play a cut to musica if anyone's interested. Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:32:26 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: Scopitone questions Jeffery Kennedy wrote: > The two clips I most want to see in their entirety are Francoise > Hardy's "Tous les garcons..." and Timi Yuro's "If." I understand > that Scopitone videotapes and DVDs exist. Even MORE things to > look for on eBay! > > Jeffery The V*d** B**t" in SF has a Scopitone compilation of UK/ Continental artists I like a lot, many of these versions never made it to disc. No Francoise or Timi tho'. Regards, Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:09:20 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Murmaids, Cathy Brasher Mike Edwards: > Cathy Brasher cut at least three girl-group classics as a solo > artist: "Sh..Listen" (1965), "Too Late To Be Lovers" (1964) and > an absolute peak, "I'll Remember Jimmy" (also 1964). Maybe you > could ask about her. "Ill Remember Jimmy" is one FANTASTIC record. If Lesley gore had covered it, I'm sure it would have gone top 20. Did Cathy Brashers version chart at all/? Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:22:04 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: Adam Faith Michael Edwards wrote: > As with Cliff Richard, Adam's early UK successes met with > indifference in the US. He didn't chart here until 1965 when > "It's Alright" got to #31 as part of the British Invasion. EMI let Capitol determine what would be picked up for the US market, and they generally refused everything, even some great UK-origin #1s that could have made some noise here. Although the barriers to British acts were starting to crumble by 1960 they couldnt usually come over to promote their stuff (for many reasons, often Musicians' Union prohibitions) However, the Tornados made it to #1 without the benefit of any Stateside TV, tours, "Bobbys", or Beatle coattails, so go figure. We also already had a "Bobby" who did Buddy, Bobby Vee - too bad for Adam, despite the fact most of his (Johnny Worth aka Les Vandyke) songs were superior to Vee's A-sides. Perhaps their sense of melancholy /weltanschmerz (sp?) in comparison (i. e. "The Time Has Come", "Lonesome") were too much of a downer for cigar- chomping US record execs... It's Alright was a great DC5 knockoff but its 2nd-tier label distribution (the old Amy-Mala group) may have doomed it from a better showing. > Some US artists did pick up on Adam Faith. Bobby Vee covered > "What Do You Want" in 1959 and Fabian did the same with "Made > You" in 1961. Ersel Hickey also did a cover of What Do You Want, and Vee also covered Adam's "Who Am I" on an LP > ...As everything Adam recorded is out on CD, Really? Everything???? (e.g. I Vibrate from Fontana Drumbeat EP, HMV & Top Rank B sides etc. Just kidding) Or just the hits, which definitely have been. Pretty sure there are several UK LPs that havent made it to CD yet. Regards, Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:42:31 EDT From: Dave Beard Subject: Re: Lindsey Buckingham - can i ask this? The new Fleetwood Mac is very good. Nine songs by Lindsey and nine from Stevie Nicks. The 18-track collection resonates more like a Buckingham-Nicks collection, but Mick and John's contributions are notable; you can't beat that drumming and bass playing. Say You Will is edgy, more like Lindsey's style, and the subdued moments come from Stevie. There are even moments of what I'll call blues funk (for lack of better term). Although eclectic, the collections soars. Dave Beard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:14:04 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Susan Singer, Helen Shapiro Ian Chapman writes: > I believe Susan (Singer)'s "Bobbys Lovin' Touch" > a kinda jazzy, slow swing is in big demand on the > Popcorn scene. Can anyone confirm? Ian, thanks for the info re: Susan Singer being Helen Shapiro's cousin. I can confirm that "Bobby's Lovin' Touch" is a Popcorn title along with "Gee It's Great To Be Young" and "Lock Your Heart Away". Helen Shapiro, of course, has many Popcorn titles to her credit. Some examples are: He Knows How To Love Me I Was Only Kidding Look Over Your Shoulder Look Who It Is Ole Father Ttime Queen For Tonight Without Your Love Young Stranger As with any Helen list, it serves as another reminder of how sad it was that her UK chart fortunes declined after her glory years of 1961-2. And now for a "duh" moment: Ian, who are "Patty and Cathy"? Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:04:57 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes Mark F: > Mr. Rhodes is not known for having the best personality > in the business. If I had his talent I wouldn't speak to normal people. Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:57:32 EDT From: David Bell Subject: Re: The Shapiro Cousins At last....a genuine Susan Singer thread! This is the moment I've been waiting for and I thought that I was the only person left on Earth who remembered this great little British singer. Cue the embarrassment factor as I admit now to belonging to the Susan Singer fan club from 1963-1966 when it folded. Every month I received a carbon copy of a badly spelt news- letter and every month I pored over it, taking in every word. Well, I was only 13 at the time. The highlight was the photo offers that would occasionally turn up and for half a crown I could buy the latest black and white 8x10, fully autographed. I long to own the 2 German language 45s that she recorded for Ariola but they're supposedly as rare as the proverbial hens' teeth. At least their existence is confirmed in Berndt Matheja's book, "1000 Nadelstiche." She did German versions of cousin Helen's "Dont Treat Me Like A Child" and Brenda's "It Started All Over Again." If anyone has copies of these I'll pay you a small fortune for them! Alternatively, maybe Richard Weize at Bear Family will include them on his next 1000 Nadelstiche compilation, which is supposedly dedicated to BritGirls again. So I have the memorabilia and the photos. All I need is for some kind Spectropopper to compile the cd, even though licensing Oriole material is fraught with horrendous difficulties. A few years ago, I nearly succeeded with RPM records but then my contact left the company. He contacted Helen Shapiro's husband/manager, John, and Susan was up for it. She claimed that she had the master tapes and rights to her Oriole material. A couple of her songs "Lock Your Heart Away" and "Gee! It's Great To Be Young" were issued on Marginal's "Girls Girls Girls" series, volumes 6 and 7. They are considered to be Popcorn and valuable. C'mon, Mick 'n' Malc, stop groaning and get on with the job. I'll bribe anyone to get these tracks released. Aaaah, I feel like a spotty, angst ridden, hormonally charged 13 year old all over again. Quick nurse, the screens. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:52:49 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Emitt Rhodes Mark Frumento: > The question is was he alienated or did he alienate? > Probably some of both, I guess. Mr. Rhodes is not known > for having the best personality in the business. Mark: Really??? I've never heard this before. Emitt's third solo album sure reflects the heart of a very depressed man. But I know dealing with certain Record Execs, A&R guys and producers will affect a sensitive soul. Mixing business with spirit is a tricky business indeed. Movies, Music, Publishing, Art, etc., will always suffer from the administrators' supposed vast "understanding" of any particular business, and their insatiable need to control and suck the soul of artists. But then again, as most of us know, there are times when the producer is the real talent. I like what screenwriter William Goldman says about Hollywood people in general: "Nobody knows anything." In a brief unusual moment of clarity I once said to a good friend (and producer too) that "there were three kinds of people in the world: Creative People, Appreciators, and people who, from some weakness of their own, need to control the creators." He corrected me, saying: "You forgot the couch potatoes." Anyway, I'm still trying to figure a way to put together, from bits that I have accumulated, a chronological sorta- bootleg box-set of all of Emitt's stuff from MGR thru his solo recordings - for my own enjoyment of course. I'd love to include any demos and such, but I've never run across anything like this. Any ideas or contributions S'Pop people? I also read in I.C.E. (#193, April, pg. 35) that Emitt is thinking of releasing "30 years worth of demos and unreleased songs," depending on interest. If you are at all interested, go to http://www.emittrhodes.net and offer your support. peace, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:48:06 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Re: S. Singer / Oriole Records Reissues Since Sundazed seemed to be so tight w/ Sony Music lately (and having dealt with them professionally in the past I can vouch for their, er, inscrutable ways), I questioned them (to no avail) on the subject of their reissuing non- lease deal tracks from the London-based Levy Sound Studio's Oriole/Embassy Records, which became CBS' UK branch in the fall of 1964. In the CD era almost nothing from Oriole has been officially re-released, save tracks from Chas McDevitt and the "This Is Merseybeat" LPs - despite Oriole's almost complete lack of chart impact, there are hundreds of instro, beat and Spectro- poppish tracks (e.g. Susan Singer, Jackie Lee/Raindrops) that would be worth reissuing. A longstanding rumor/fact has been that most/all Oriole/Embassy masters (as is the case with pre- 1967 Philips-Polydor group recordings?) have been wiped and the aforementioned CDs had to be dubbed from disc. Comments, anyone? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:38:29 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: Cousins Mike asked: > And now for a "duh" moment: Ian, who are "Patty and Cathy"? Mike, it was just a reference to the theme song to the Patty Duke Show, which never aired in the U.K. In it, Patty played the dual roles of Patty Lane and her cousin Cathy. Altogether now, you U.S. guys.... "...But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way...." Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:25:55 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Lovin' Spoonful... how many CCs was that anyway? 10? Does anyone know anything about a Lovin' Spoonful release from Varese Vintage, that was canceled: September 30, 1999, called, "Live At The Night Owl Cafe?" peace, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:03:46 -0400 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Cousins Ian Chapman wrote: > Mike, it was just a reference to the theme song to the Patty > Duke Show, which never aired in the U.K. In it, Patty played > the dual roles of Patty Lane and her cousin Cathy. Altogether > now, you U.S. guys.... > > "...But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way...." Cathy, by the way, was Scottish, demonstrating the actress' facility with accents. I'm not sure her last name was ever revealed in the show. "A hot dog makes her lose control," --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: A normal male is 9ccs, si, si? Alan Gordon wrote: > Does anyone know anything about a Lovin' Spoonful > release from Varese Vintage, that was canceled: > September 30, 1999, called, "Live At The Night > Owl Cafe?" Alan, The release was an early tape of the Spoonful done at the Night Owl. When I met the revamped Spoons I asked about live tapes. The only one they knew about was a lousy performance that they did before signing with Kama Sutra. Jerry Yester owned the tape. I suspect that the live release was his tape, but someone, probably Sebastian, killed it. The tunes on it were: --My Baby Left Me --Route 66 --Alley Oop --Wild About My Lovin' --My Gal --You Say You Love Me --Almost Grown --Good Time Music --Didn't Want To Have To Do It. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes > Mark Frumento: > The question is was he alienated or did he alienate? > Probably some of both, I guess. Mr. Rhodes is not > known for having the best personality in the business. > Alan Gordon: > Really??? I've never heard this before..... I remember reading an interview with Emitt, conducted by Susanna Hoffs, where he seemed more interested in picking her up than talking about his music. Who could blame him, however. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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