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Spectropop - Digest Number 854

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. More Chicago 60's rock/Montanas/Tony Hatch/Flowerpots, etc
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Re: Faux Shangs: Verdelle Smith
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. RE: Bodie Chandler
           From: Mike Edwards 
      4. Re: Popeye DVD
           From: Stratton Bearhart 
      5. Re: Strawberry Park / Strawberry Vocal Choir
           From: Hans Ket 
      6. Re: Lindsey Buckingham
           From: Eddy 
      7. Re: Bonnie & the Treasures
           From: S'pop Team 
      8. Young Birds Fly
           From: Norman 
      9. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
     10. RE: Freddy Cannon; Buckinghams
           From: Mike Edwards 
     11. Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
           From: Hans Ket 
     12. Speeding up songs and the Third Booth
           From: Clark Besch 
     13. Re: Chicago scene
           From: Bob Rashkow 

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:36:43 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: More Chicago 60's rock/Montanas/Tony Hatch/Flowerpots, etc Hey, I really like this Chicago 60's talk. Can we rename this site "Chicagopop"?? All Chicago all the time? Oh, I guess I cannot talk about the Montanas then, nevermind. First, Mr. Spradlin, the "Sugar & Spice" Lp did not run any songs together, but the other 2 Shames Lps did. In fact, side 2 of "Synthesis" was all run together ala the LATER released Beatles "Abbey Road" Lp side and Chicago's "Girl From Buchanon" suite. It is funny you should bring up Emitt Rhodes "Lullabye"/"Fresh as a Daisy" comparison. He is one of my alltime fave artists too. It is sad to see his A&M solo Lp panned by many, as I really love it second only to the Dunhill debut Lp. He was just interviewed by TapeOp magazine ( and (thanks to my neighborhood buddy Doug Richard, a fellow Spectropoper who has turned me on to so much great music over the years) Emitt seems to have better memory of the equipment he used than the classic music he produced! As for Mike Edwards' answer to getting the NC6 and Shames for $23, all I can say is "meet your baby where the action is!" I dig Freddy Cannon too! Wish "Dedication Song" would come out in stereo. Back on the Buckinghams, certainly the 45 of "Kind of a Drag" is the most powerful sounding and may soon be on Cd in the mono 45 form again. For Dave Swanson, if you like their "This is How Much I Love You", you really need to hear the fuzz guitar and energy behing the original version from 1967 by Chicago's Exceptions (featuring Pete Citera, James Vincent, And the song's writer, Marty Grebe). They titled it "As Far As I Can See". It's B side is cool too--the Brian Wilson song "Girl From New York City". You can now get the Exceptions version in stereo on the "Quill Records Story" Cd from Collectibles. Altho it is somewhat bassier than the tinny original 45, it is in STEREO! Probably the finest performance by Chicago's first "supergroup". Also, on the Buckinghams, anyone but me notice how the strings jump in too fast on "Susan" on all stereo versions when they come in during the song's middle instrumental break? A really odd thing to me. Also, the Sony and Sundazed versions have a double tracked vocal near the end that wasn't on the 45. In reality, for once, the best stereo version on Cd of this song is the old 80's Columbia 1968 "Greatest Hits" Lp reissue on Cd, which does not have the double tracked vocals, but still has the "too fast entering" strings part. As for Bob Rashkow's "Peoria Sound", you picked 2 gooduns! Altho the Warner Brothers' "Please Mr. Sullivan" hit the WLS Charts before even the NC6' "I Confess", their real gem is "I Won't be the Same Without Her" on Dunwich, which appears on Sundazed Cd now. As for the Third Booth, here is another odd speeding up story. When I reached the writer John Clore (a band member) in 2000 in hopes of licensing the song for a Cd project, he mentioned that the song was "originally realeased as 'Sound Inc.' in 1967. When we signed with Independence Records, the name was changed to 'I Need Love'. To my knowledge the master was destroyed years ago--probably recorded over. I have one original copy of virgin vinyl I saved." In another email, he said "WLS an dthe city of Chicago gave me the chance of a lifetime by playing my music and fulfilling the dream of 4 young musicians. I have copyrights and production." Quite a dream- -it went to #2 on the WLS charts, after they had quit featuring local acst for the most part!! Wish the masters were around! Another Bobster posting answer: Barney Pip--great talent ahead of his time! Certainly one of the wildest and crazy djs of Chicago 60's. I was lucky enough to become friends with him in the late 80's before his death several years ago. I talked via email with his daughter about a year ago and she agreed he was ahead of his time. I managed to get his classic vocal rendition of the Hombres' "Let it Out" on Bomp's ( Chicago Highs Vol 6 or 7. If you like Barney, this is a must to get! Also, "Face the Autumn" is indeed a great great record! Their followup, "San Francisco Waits" ain't a bit bad either. I just converted a bunch of that stuff to Cdr--a Rochelle Lara greatest hits? Her solo 45s, Family and Raintree Minority. Pretty good stuff overall! For Guy Lawrence, don't get me started on Saturday's Children and the Del-Vetts. Great music! Mark Frumento, my fave Shames Cd is also "Scratch in the Sky". I gotta comment on the Flowerpot Men too, but outta time. You got a great ear!! Finally, for Mick Patrick, can you ask Tony Hatch if he has "Forget Him" in stereo or if it was recorded in stereo? Seems it should a been and would be a great find someday! Take care and sorry this is soooo long! Clark (not chrome dome Weber) Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:57:08 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Verdelle Smith Picture this: Judy and Juanito are lovers. Her girlfriends have warned her what a bad seed he is. The whole neighbourhood stares when they walk by hand in hand. To her, he's warm, gentle, sweet and shy. Some girls won't never learn.... Click below to hear "Juanito" by S'pop darling Verdelle Smith, released on Columbia 43296 in 1965. As usual, it was written and produced by Vance & Pockriss. I believe it was her first record. It's one of my favourite Faux Shangs discs: Unfortunately I only have the track on cassette. Feh! Does anyone have a copy of the 45 to sell me? Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:02:09 -0400 From: Mike Edwards Subject: RE: Bodie Chandler John Frank writes: > And finally, a question about a songwriter: I keep encounter- > ing the last name Chandler as a writer of some excellent songs, > sometimes teaming up with Barry Devorzon. Who is this Chandler > (or these Chandlers, as the case may be)? Some examples are The > Cannon Sisters' "Second Best" and "I'm Sorry I Went", Dean > Cannon's "When Love Goes Wrong (Nothing Goes Right)", "Beginning > of the End," by Diane Emond, and probably the best-known one in > this list, "What About Me?" by Ramona King and by Charlotte > O'Hara, whom we also know as Bonnie. Chandler is Bodie Chandler, Barry deVorzon's writing partner and they were also in a group called Barry & The Tamerlanes. Chandler-DeVorzon wrote this group's only US hit, "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" in 1963. There is an illustrated write-up of Barry DeVorzon's career at: This page almost looks as if it could be from Spectropop. "Beginning Of The End" by Diane Emond is a great 45 as is her version of the Cascades' "I Wanna Be Your Lover". Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:47:29 -0000 From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Re: Popeye DVD In addition Van Dyke Parks provided the orchestrations. In this collaboration with Harry N I imagine there was more than spinach involved. Stratton Bearhart. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:40:11 +0200 From: Hans Ket Subject: Re: Strawberry Park / Strawberry Vocal Choir Hello Mark, > The producers and writers are Rob and Ferdi Bolland. Anyone know > anything about this group or the record? I can play the record to > music if that would help. Bolland and Bolland are dutch brothers from the Hague. They compose, produce (for) many acts and performed as Bolland and Bolland from 1972. More info on them is to be found on the next url: On this site there's no mention on "Strawberry Park" but I've found out that in '82 a 45 was released (in Holland) as "Strawberry Vocal Choir - Summer is a coming" (Philips). The uploaded song sounds like a "Bolland and Bolland" performance. Hans -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:30:23 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Lindsey Buckingham Albabe asked: > One more before I get back to work. Anyone know anything about > Lindsey Buckingham's unreleased followup to his '92 "Out Of The > Cradle" album, "Gift Of Screams?" Here's the track listing : Somebody changes your mind Land is always alone Steel your heart away Take you long long way She smiles waiting Think of me, sweet darlin' Down on lonely road I got you to get away Lonely California son I want to wait for you Blow in the rain Gift of sceams Bleed to love her Light my way Say goodbye to you Feelin' inside Go insane (live) Not sure if this last track was planned for the original album, but it does circulate as part of the bootleg cdr. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:14:38 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: Re: Bonnie & the Treasures [Forwarded from the S'pop Public Bulletin Board] Mick and Phil did a great job on the Bonnie Discography at They did leave out CANADIAN PHI-DAN PD 505 1965 HOME OF THE BRAVE BONNIE AND THE TREASURES (This 45 has a black label with silver lettering) Even the obscure PHILLES related labels were pressed in Canada Joe S Ellie Greenwich Fan Club -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:46:25 +0930 From: Norman Subject: Young Birds Fly Mark Frumento Re: Cryan' Shames >and their version of "Young Birds Fly" which holds up >against the version by the mightly Flower Pot Men. When anyone gets a chance give the late William Oliver Swofford's own version of "Young Birds Fly" a listen. The treatment is not exactly as The Flower Pot Men-cum- White Plains released it but it is something special. Not too sure when he recorded his version as my copy is from a compilation released by Summit Records Australia (via Crewe / C.G.C. Records New York) in the 1970s. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:13:15 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update Rod McKuen is the seemingly bizarre choice for this Record of the Week, a pleasant musical surprise! Jeff's playing to musica of The Association's "Baby Can't You Hear Me Call Your Name" and mention of the What Four's cover is the inspiration for this week's Battle of the Nitzsche's, the Girly Bs. The What Four's flip is up against the Satisfactions' "Bring It All Down" written by Jack's former lodger, Bob Lind. Hoping that most of you know the marvellous A-Sides "Anything For A Laugh" and "Daddy You Just Gotta Let Him In" a pair of rarely heard flips. Nitzsche Radio has jingle #8 (Adventure) playing for your edification and delight. Plenty has been happening behind the scenes of Jack's Magical Musical World. The first fruit of this labour is a 'Previous Record of the Week' listing, subtitled "What You've Missed" - access this from the ROTW column. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:23:45 -0400 From: Mike Edwards Subject: RE: Freddy Cannon; Buckinghams Clark Besch writes: > I dig Freddy Cannon too! Wish "Dedication Song" > would come out in stereo. Would it make a difference? Would Freddy be able to get twice as many dedications in? Favorite line in this song: "this song goes out to Judy dedicated from Vince she told him she loved him so she hasn't seen him since." Who says pop records lack social commentary? Fortunately, the CD industry loves Freddy and pretty much all his stuff is out and in great quality. > Back on the Buckinghams, certainly the 45 of "Kind of a Drag" > is the most powerful sounding and may soon be on CD in the > mono 45 form again. That would be worth waiting for. As I am finding out, CDs are using LP mixes as their source material to the detriment of 45 lovers. > Also, on the Buckinghams, anyone but me notice how the strings > jump in too fast on "Susan" on all stereo versions when they > come in during the song's middle instrumental break? A really > odd thing to me. Also, the Sony and Sundazed versions have a > double-tracked vocal near the end that wasn't on the 45. In > reality, for once, the best stereo version on CD of this song > is the old 80s Columbia 1968 "Greatest Hits" LP reissue on CD, > which does not have the double-tracked vocals, but still has > the "too fast entering" strings part. Isn't the way to go on "Susan" to make your own "personal" copy without the junk in it? It is almost as if they were too embarrassed to release a straight pop record in early '68 with nothing more meaningful than a girl's name as the song title. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:31:33 +0200 From: Hans Ket Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley Mick Patrick: > Seems like the other day > Her baby went away > He went away 'cross the sea > Germany? > > To find out what the hell I'm talking about, follow the link > below and take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named > Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964: > Or to L.A./Hollywood (from the continental point of view) While listening to "Vergessen" (again and again) I got a feeling she's not a German singer, she seems not quite comfortable with that language. I got the idea that she was maybe the Dutch singer Shirley (Zweerus), who was in 1958 launched as a Dutch "Conny Fröboess". She tried her luck on many 45s sung in Dutch, German and English and was a member of the winning "Knokke" song festival team (1964 in Belgium). In '68 she recorded "Big Boss Man" and left with her boyfriend to L.A. to record an album. I doubt it was ever finished. She fell in love with her producer and married him. According to her own words (in the book "Beat Meisjes") about this marriage: "He only had $-signs in his eyes, he was day and night busy in the studio and his secretary sometimes made lunch appointments for us. I lived in a golden cage and on my birthday he gave me a car with a knot around it. In 1976 I took my clothes and fled back to my parents". (Who said "That Will Never Happen Again?) (-: This record "Vergessen" isn't mentioned in her discography. So I listened to "Big Boss Man", and compared their voices to find out if these are the same Shirleys?????? It's possible .......but I have my doubts. But if they are the same girls, "Vergessen" may be recorded in L.A. because it sounds (production- wise) "un-Dutch" for that time (1965?). Mick, do you have any any idea of the release date of "Vergessen"? Maybe other Spectropoppers want to give it a try. I've uploaded the track "Big Boss Man" to musica and a photo of her to the photofiles. Hans Ket -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:50 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Speeding up songs and the Third Booth Almost forgot when talking about the Third Booth, J.C. Clore mentioned too, that Independence Records speeded up "I Need Love" from the original Thunder Records version under "Sound, Inc." title. Take care, Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:02:55 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Chicago scene The Dunwich people really had their day in the sun...... Bill Traut helped get the American Breed hyped, and the Del-Vetts could do no wrong. I also recommend "I Call My Baby STP" (BIG local hit) and the B-side, a gentle, moving rendition of Arthur Lee's "That's The Way It Is". Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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