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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Three Blonde Mice - 1964
           From: Andres 
      2. Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      4. Re: Cryan Shames, New Colony 6
           From: Mike Edwards 
      5. The one and only Cher
           From: John Rausch 
      6. Re: Buckinghams
           From: Dave Swanson 
      7. Re: Cranking up the speed
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      8. Re: Ciao Baby
           From: Michael Robson 
      9. RIP Little Eva
           From: Phil Chapman 
     10. Re: Buckinghams - almost forgot!
           From: Dave Swanson 
     11. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
           From: Clark Besch 
     12. Re: Gordian Knot
           From: JJ 
     13. Re: Gordian Knot
           From: Scott 
     14. Re: Warren Schatz
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     15. Re: Shirley
           From: Tom Taber 
     16. Re: Rose Garden
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     17. Re: The one and only Cher
           From: James Botticelli 
     18. Beatles Anthology DVD trouble
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     19. Re: Warren Schatz
           From: Bill Reed 
     20. Re: war songs etc.
           From: Alan Gordon 
     21. Independence for All
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     22. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     23. Re: The Montanas
           From: Rob Stride 
     24. Chicago scene
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     25. Re: RIP Little Eva
           From: Stephanie 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:31:18 -0000
   From: Andres 
Subject: Three Blonde Mice - 1964

I have posted "Ringo Bells" by the Three Blonde Mice to musica. 
It's a cute song to dance to before going to bed:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Any info about this trio of peroxide rodents?

Thanks,

Andres




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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:07:34 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted by a computer malfunction........ Seems like the other day Her baby went away He went away 'cross the sea ...to Germany? To find out what the hell I'm talking about, follow the link below and take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:49:19 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames One Way blew it with their reissue of Emmitt Rhodes first album - the track "Lullabye" segues right into "Fresh as a Daisy" on the original ABC Dunhill LP. On the CD they added a two second gap. I WISH more remastering engineers and compilers would get an original copy of the LP/45 before they do any remixing or remastering for reference. As for the Cryan Shames I need to dig out my old Columbia LP and see if those two songs bang right into each other. I can't remember if they did. I know the segue exists on the "Sugar And Spice - a Collection" CD from CBS/Legacy. Another Cryan Shames favorite is the great segue from "Up On The Roof" to "It Could Be That We're in Love" on the "Scratch In The Sky" CD - but on the Legacy comp they reversed the songs! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:08:05 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Cryan Shames, New Colony 6 Kingsley Abbott writes: > Is the Shames CD on Varese? Still available? > I really enjoyed them when I got their singles in the > sixties (they were issued in the UK on CBS), but > I seemed to have missed the arrival of a CD. David Coyle writes: > Sundazed Records has done well in covering the earlier > garage roots of the New Colony Six, but I think it's > high time for a comprehensive overview of their later > harmony-pop output, typified by "I Will Always Think > About You" and "Things I'd Like To Say," their two > 1968 hits and the songs they are best remembered for > outside of Chicago. Well now, looky here: Amazon.com has taken care of our needs. They are offering Rhino's "Colonized! The Best Of The New Colony Six" and Sony's "Cryan Shames Sugar And Spice A Collection" for the combined price of $23.96. The deal is at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000032YY/qid=50011793/sr==1-1/ref==sr_1_1/103-3112512-0769416?v==glance&s==music Now granted, this is coming from an old Freddy Cannon fan, but these are two good CDs and, for most of us, will be all we ever need by these two likeable groups. After you've bought 'em, enjoy 'em, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:37:36 -0400 From: John Rausch Subject: The one and only Cher Hi all Unfortunately I missed the NBC broadcast of the CHER Final Tour, which aired tuesday past. Wondering if anyone has recorded it, looking for a VHS copy. Any help is appreciated, please email me off list jonr@ohio.net Also wondering if anyone has any comments on her show, or her 40 year career for that matter. John Rausch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:27:53 -0500 From: Dave Swanson Subject: Re: Buckinghams The Buckinghams are yet another under appreciated band. Great singles band for sure, what a run of cool songs. I agree that "Back In Love Again" is one of their very best. That middle break in "Susan" is corny, but pretty gone nonetheless. The promo single version of it has that "psychedelic" part edited out. All their LP's are also well worth checking out. Sundazed has re-issued all of them in great sound + extras. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:00:20 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Cranking up the speed Dan Hughes wrote: > I think I remember hearing the LP version of "Sweet Mary" > by Wadsworth Mansion and it was ENTIRELY different from the > 45--about half the speed and totally disappointing. > Anybody know about that one? From what I heard Sussex records made the band re-record the song, because the original 45 was never mixed for true stereo. I guess they licenced the song from a smaller company and never got a stereo mix. Another strange thing about "Sweet Mary" is some copies of the 45 fade out and some go to a cold stop. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:58:21 +0100 From: Michael Robson Subject: Re: Ciao Baby There's two other British versions of "Ciao Baby" - by Nola York on Philips (BF 1714, 1968) and a previously unreleased version by Long John Baldry included on the Sequel 2CD compilation, "Let The Heartaches Begin - The Pye Anthology" (NEECD 298, 1998). MICHAEL CLUNKIE VINYL JUNKIE -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:19:05 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: RIP Little Eva Sad to read yesterday of the departure of Loco-Motion legend and S'pop star, Little Eva. http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1863950 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:31:01 -0500 From: Dave Swanson Subject: Re: Buckinghams - almost forgot! Bobster: > Even tho' my personal favorite of the Buckinghams' hits is > "Back In Love Again" (coincidentally the last record of > theirs to chart nationally--super intro!!!) I will Amen > Mike Edwards re "Kind of a Drag"..... Woah, I almost forgot to mention the real winner - "This Is How Much I Love You". One of their last singles. It has some killer fuzz guitar, as well as the usual great harmonies and horns. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:08:30 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames David Coyle wrote: > One thing I miss about the original Cryan Shames CD on > Columbia is that "I Wanna Meet You" immediately > followed "Ben Franklin's Almanac," meaning the > extended "freakout" at the end stopped suddenly, > perfectly seguing into "I Wanna Meet You." David, funny you caught that! That is one of the things I wanted Bob Irwin to do on that Cd! One of several suggestions he accepted for that Cd from me. The idea actually was something that had happened twice previously on Shames Lps! First on the "Scratch in the Sky" Lp, I loved the way "It Could Be We're in Love" followed directly after "Up on the Roof". Then, in '85 when Backtrack put out their 8 track greatest hits Lp, they did the same thing with "Up on the Roof" and "Young Birds Fly". Since we were doing the Anthology Cd chronologically, the best and most exciting place for such a thing were "Ben" and "Meet You". I wanted them really close together, but Bob opted for a little space in case radio had a problem playing "Meet You" if they were too close. It still worked well, I thought! I'm glad someone else liked it! Thanks, David! By the way, wasn't "Sugar Shack" in 1963, not '66?? Come to think of it, I believe Dot did re-release it in '66 after similar success with "Wipe Out" on same label. As for your previous Chicago groups commentary, I agree with a lot of it. The New Colony 6 Mercury stuff has been reissued in Japan, but is now a deleted title costing a fortune. Apparently, Polygram US is a bear to deal with and thus, no one wants to touch that stuff these days. I understand your comments on the group Chicago, but think you are oversimplifying their product. I think their music was great throughout the 70s. By the way, you wanna keep that '91 Cryan Shames Cd, since it has stereo versions of songs that are not stereo on the reissue Lps in certain cases. As for Mr. Abbott's question about the "Varese Shames" Cd, you are confusing two groups here. The Cryan Shames Cds are on Sundazed and Sony. The American Breed Cd was on Varese. As far as I know, only the Shames Sundazed Cds are still in print of these. The others can be found via Ebay often. Also, yes, love Montanas' "Let's Ride"! For some reason, the Independence 45 "Heaven Help You" (originally an Everly Brothers 45 titled "The Devil's Child") was not on the great Sequel Cd. It charted in Omaha up to #31 and I really liked it. Of course, their later material is not on the cd either. Nor are their great BBC performances of "Hey Grandma" (Moby Grape), "You've Gotta Be Loved" or their version of the Chitown classic "Bend Me Shape Me"! There are one or two early Brit releases that are not on it either, if I remember correctly. As for Mr. Martin's assessment of the Montanas' "Ciao Baby" and Lynn Randell's, I agree. I really like the Montanas' version, but Lynn's is good too--plus it comes with a groooovy picture sleeve! Finally, Bobster, you have great taste talking of the Buckinghams' "Back in Love Again" being great. It truly is! I have little doubt that the changing times of 1968 led it to chart destruction, not its lack of greatness. The Buckinghams had dropped Guercio as producer, but also were getting a little backlash from some who felt they were what was wrong with pop music at that point. Too much polish and sunshine and not enough progressive ideas. Even the Buckinghams themselves were dealing with such things. Listen to the cool "Portraits" Lp (another great Sundazed reissue!) and how they could provide progressive sound and then here would come the great pop piece "Where Did You Come From" and "It's A Beautiful Day" which could have been top 10 in 1967! They did it all, and got nothing from it. Quite a shame. Hope you guys keep the Chicago comments going. I love it! Any WLS/WCFL commentary???? Take care all, Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:51:59 -0000 From: JJ Subject: Re: Gordian Knot Patrick Rands wrote: > The 1960s Gordian Knot LP is worth picking up... but it > has never been reissued on CD. If anything for the awesome > artwork which shows the group tied up with huge pieces of rope! > I love songs about Merry go rounds and it's got one of those :) **"Carraway Stream", "Year of the sun" = FAB! JJ/Sweden -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:06:31 EDT From: Scott Subject: Re: Gordian Knot Patrick Rands: > It just seems you are not coming from a soft rock > aficionado perspective which gives your reviews a certain > pedestrian (read as rock-n-roll) slant. On the Canterbury Music > Festival review you only seem to like their upbeat songs, a sign > that you aren't into the more delicate introspective side of soft > rock/sunshine pop. I'd beg to disagree. I am a big fan of the genre and if you poke around some of the other offerings on my website you'd see that I give some excellent (personal) reviews to LPs such as The Cuff Links, The Free Design, Graham Gouldman Thing, Lt. Garcia's Magic Music Box, etc. etc. The comments on my site reflect my opinions - nothing more. My thoughts were that I would try to provide an objective opinion to folks who were willing to spend a decent amount of their hard earned money on an LP. From a personal perspective, I get tired of reading the same old dealer hype. In this case you apparently like an LP that I thought was boring (Gordian Knot is one of the few LPs I've ever given a single star to). I'm sure we'd find examples where the opposite was true (I like it, you don't), as well as case where we both agree on an LP. > As for the prices, you might be right - especially if the LPs are > as clean as you claim. I did a search at past ebay auctions and > the Gordian Knot LP sold for anywhere between $9.99 to $31.00 - > many of the auctions had multiple bids too. Prices are subject to endless debate. A price is only as good as what a person is willing to pay. As for using eBay as a pricing guide ... well I occasionally buy and sell on eBay and I can't even begin to explain the mysteries associated with ebay sales prices. One week something is hot, the next it's not. I've seen LPs sell for way more than they are worth. I've seen LPs sell for a fraction of their worth. On ebay it seems to be a mixture of timing and luck. Again, the key factor is what is a person willing to pay. No doubt $350.00 is a lot of money for a record and I can tell you that I would not pay this much for an LP. That said, in terms of rarity and condition the Canterbury Music Festival may well be worth the asking price. It was a sealed copy that has been opened and only played once to make a CD copy for personal use. Good luck finding another original, let alone a copy in this shape. I respect your opinion on pricing and will tell you that I am no expert. Of course, as a consumer you have the ultimate power to keep your wallet in your pocket. Even though I've only been selling records for a couple of months, there seems to be a market for folks selling quality material at fair prices. Take care, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:47:42 EDT From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Re: Warren Schatz George Ritter writes: > I noticed your thread and wonder if you might know where > veteran producer Warren Schatz is working these days. Band > members of a group (Banchee) he produced 35 years ago are > looking for him. I'm sorry, I have no idea. Possibly you could try BMI or ASCAP or SESAC, they may be able to forward a message. I have also copied this to someone who may be able to help. Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Shirley Mick Patrick wrote: > ...take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named > Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964: I prefer her remake of the Earls tune - "Verg, Verg, Verg; Verg-Verg Vergessen"!!! Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:45 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Rose Garden Thanks Jeff Glenn for setting me straight on the LP title of The Rose Garden's song "Till Today" which I had mixed up with "Here's Today" (their own Atco 45) and had wondered if it was same as Brian Wilson's "Here Today" (the B-side of "Darlin"") Whoa--do I need to be any more confused!!! :--{{{ OK, now for some serious eye-rubbing...is it Today or Tomorrow?? Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:10:19 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The one and only Cher John Rausch wrote: > Unfortunately I missed the NBC broadcast of the CHER Final > Tour, which aired tuesday past. I missed it as well, but I DID catch her last Final Tour... there's always another one around the corner..... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:24:45 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Beatles Anthology DVD trouble Hi all, I just got my Anthology DVDs and they have some troubles. The audio ranges between slightly out of synch to wildly out of synch. Also the menus flicker. Anyone else had a copy with similar faults? I loved the new mix of "I Am The Walrus" despite. Richard http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:04:48 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Re: Warren Schatz George Ritter writes: > I noticed your thread and wonder if you might know where > veteran producer Warren Schatz is working these days. Band > members of a group (Banchee) he produced 35 years ago are > looking for him. Warren Schatz co-produced, The Real Thing, one of the truly finest jazz vocal albums, for my friend Nancy Marano and her one-time partner, Eddie Montero. I know Nancy keeps in touch, even though the last time she worked with Schatz was in 1988. I will contact her tomorrow to find out Warrens' current whereabouts. Bill Reed www.pinkywinters.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:30:46 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Re: war songs etc. Fellow S'popsters: Has anyone compiled a list of the "War" songs that have been bandied about these last few weeks? I'd love to have the list. Also: What about a song list of "Politics As A Bad Thing?" Stuff like "Won't Get Fooled Again" (I am always surprised when I find out that a lot of people didn't notice that the band had all just piddled on the obelisk on the cover of that album). ...or maybe happy stuff like armageddon songs (Eve Of Destruction). peace, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:51:58 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Independence for All I guess you COULD say there was a "Peoria Sound." The Warner Brothers mentioned earlier were from there, I have their cute little Destination label song "Please Mr. (Ed) Sullivan" but they did several others on at least 2 other labels as well. Third Booth were from that area too, their "I Need Love" (DYNAMO rocker from summer '68!) made it to LA's Independence label too. Midwest bands, British bands hoping for more US exposure--guess you could say that this was truly an "indie" label! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:34:46 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames Clark (Besch not Weber!!!), re Super CFL--as a youngster I was MADLY in love with the late Barney Pip. Looking back he could get extremely obnoxious, but so could Lujack, tho I always suspected 89 WLS wasn't quite as "hip" as Big 10 was. Typically, Barney sent me an autographed picture of him at the mike, addressed to "Bobbi". (If he'd only known!) Picked up "Face The Autumn" (The Family on USA) on a hunch at Raffe Simonian's store on the NW Side last week. Knew it had charted here in Chicago. And didn't it all come back to me. G R E A T R E C O R D! ! Heard it constantly when The Box Tops and Lulu were fighting for the No. 1 slot in the fall of '67. I remember thinking it was a commercial the first time I heard it. I thought they were singing something like "Autos.....Hasty Autos!" or some such gobbledy-gook!! Check out Jeff Glenn's Lost Juke Box for another presumed Chicago groovy psyke-sound by a band on Cadet called The Truth: "I Can" b/w "A Day Like Today"..... Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:53:14 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Stride Subject: Re: The Montanas Thanks to Clark, Norman, David and all the others for the info on the Montanas. It's nice to know that there are others out there that love thier stuff, and perhaps weve tempted a few into checking them out. Thanks Again Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:42:17 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Chicago scene A few Chicago related points... Although they are often derided by garage purists, the American Breed recorded some wonderful music. One track no one's mentioned so far is their version of Goffin/King's "The Right To Cry". Nothing like Erma Franklin's classic version discussed here recently, the Breed play it a lot straighter - similar to say, the Monkees doing Goffin/King on "Sometime In The Morning". And while the whole world goes soft pop mad, it would do well to check out their fourth and final album, "Lonely Side Of The City". Complete with Roger Nichols and Paul Williams credits, it's a real case of soft-for-soft's-sake. For me, the pick of the Buckinghams catalogue is the superb "Time & Charges" album (available at www.sundazed.com).I'm a recent convert to this album and can't believe there isn't more fuss about it. James William Guercio was in full boy genius mode at the time and he dressed up the band's beat combo sound in the most amazing orchestral arrangements. Nearly every track begins with a beautiful, poignant melody and Guercio scatters jaw dropping moments of musical dexterity all over the place. Early Randy Newman spotters will need Saturdays Children's "Leave That Baby Alone" and as for the more rocking side of things, surely the Del-Vetts "Last Time Around" is one of the most thrilling records of all time! Both are also available at Sundazed, on their "Oh Yeah!" compilation. Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:40:43 -0000 From: Stephanie Subject: Re: RIP Little Eva > Sad to read yesterday of the departure of Loco-Motion > legend and S'pop star, Little Eva. > http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1863950 She had been battling cervical cancer...RIP....I love her song "Turkey Trot" and "Swingin' On A Star" with Big Dee Irwin.. Stephanie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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