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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Old business; "missed" tracks; Les Innocents; Wadsworth Mansion
           From: Country Paul 
      2. Re: Cranking up the speed
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Warren Schatz - message for Michael Rashkow
           From: George Ritter 
      4. Ciao Baby (Lynne Randell, The Montanas)
           From: Lindsay Martin 
      5. Re: Gordian Knot
           From: Paul R 
      6. New Colony Six and the Chicago sound
           From: David Coyle 
      7. I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
           From: David Coyle 
      8. Shames/Montanas
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
      9. Nancy Holloway
           From: Mike Edwards 
     10. Solitary Man
           From: Mike Edwards 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:14:19 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Old business; "missed" tracks; Les Innocents; Wadsworth Mansion Some references from prior posts: Mark Wirtz, the Spyderbaby track you posted on your website http://markwirtz0.tripod.com/mw/id32.html is really nice. He does indeed channel the spirit of Brian Wilson - and the song has a major hook for a chorus! ....Brett Berns, welcome out of the lurking zone, and thanks for turning us on to http://www.bertberns.com. Some superb info and excellent links. I never realized he passed away so young. Considering the monumental amount of classic music he was involved with, it seems his passing was much more recent; so much of his work has endured. I haven't checked out your sister's album, but will. Jeffrey Glenn: > there's a huge, glaring fault on the Rose Garden CD. There > was a post-LP single ("If My World Falls Through"/"Here's > Today" Atco 45-6564, 1968) which is the group's finest work > IMHO. These should have been added as bonus tracks. Atco did the same with Cross Country [the Tokens] - Their best track under that name was "In The Midnight Hour" (only on a 45 until the B. T. Puppy reissue - completer, but pricey, at http://www.thetokens.com. I also never understood why the Derek and the Dominoes 45 of "Tell The Truth" (same label) was not only not on the album, but was even pulled as a 45. This could actually be a possible thread - hits, "top tracks" or exceptional B-sides left off albums. I'd start with "Don't Pity Me" by Dion & The Belmonts, which didn't make it to a greatest hits collection until a long time after their other material had been reissued. Re: the Moulty thread - whatever did happen to the Barbarians, especially Moulty? Just curious.... Steve Fromm wrote regarding "Beatle fakes": > There were plenty of European fakes... The Rattles, for > example, were huge in Germany. Not to be confused with > The Ruttles... The Rutles (one T, by the way) were a satire, but like the best satire (in which I'd include them) they were as good at what they were satirizing. (OK - almost, in this case.) I'd like to put in a bid for a recent French group, Les Innocents and their remarkable album "Post-Partum" (Virgin, 1995). If the Beatles were together in the mid-90s and spoke French, they would have recorded this album. It's one of my favorites. (Other Les Innocents CDs don't quite have what this one does. "Post Partum" is a strong recommendation.) Dan Hughes: Wish I had the 45 of "Sweet Mary" to A-B with the LP, which I do have. I remember the album being very flat in its production, quite unlike the band live. Incidentally, the second generation of my band, Benefit Street, contained Carl Armstrong, who played bass for Wadworth Mansion after the album was released; and guitarist Leo Genereux, who wrote two songs on the album for them and also sat in with them - I don't remember if he was a regular member. I saw Wadsworth live once - great, high energy and funky! Even "Sweet Mary" really rocked out as opposed to "popped." By the way, Wadsworth Mansion is a real place - a historic house on College Hill (on the front cover) in Providence, where both our bands were from. The back cover is the long- abandoned but still standing Point Street railroad bridge; Benefit Street was and is a very hip street of 18th and 19th century restored - and expensive - houses. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:53:58 -0400 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Cranking up the speed Laura Pinto wrote: > Robin....explained that the speeding-up process not only > raised the pitch of the singers' voices but also cut down > on the length (running time) of the 45s, making them more > attractive for airplay. On top of that we must also factor in the fact that certain Top 40 stations played their 45s at about 47rpm or so, which must have pushed the higher-pitched areas into the frequency range of doggie whistles! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:51:17 -0000 From: George Ritter Subject: Warren Schatz - message for Michael Rashkow Rashkovsky wrote: > Associated Recording--THE businest demo place in NYC and also > where a lot of records came from. They were the best at mono > to mono to mono to mono O.D's . Also from that shop came > Warren Schatz. Good writer and producer. Hello! I noticed your thread and wonder if you might know where veteran producer Warren Schatz is working these days. Band members of a group (Banchee) he produced 35 years ago are looking for him. Many thanks for your help! Sincerely, George Ritter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Ciao Baby (Lynne Randell, The Montanas) Norman mentioned the 1967 versions of "Ciao Baby" by Australian Lynne Randell and British band the Montanas. In my never-ending search for the "original versions" of Australian pop songs, this is one of the tricky examples. For a start, although it was an Australian hit by an Australian singer, and is inevitably claimed sentimentally as "Australian", it was an Epic single recorded in the States, written by Larry Weiss and Scott English. My educated guess is that neither the Montanas' nor Lynne Randell's version is the "original", as I doubt that either actually "covered" the other, and it is more likely that the song was sourced from the publisher in each case. Lynne Randell's version is a familiar oldie in Australia, and the Montanas' version - which I never heard till last year - is quite different. The Montanas arrangement makes it reminiscent of the Fortunes' "You've Got Your Troubles", though the similarity never once struck me over decades of listening to Lynne Randell's recording. The Toys also recorded "Ciao Baby", in 1968, and - from what I can gather - in the UK (is that true?). Lindsay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:09:02 EDT From: Paul R Subject: Re: Gordian Knot I wish someone would re-issue this LP, the tracks I've heard ("Year of the Sun", "We Must Be Doing Something Right")are fantastic dreamy harmony pop. I can't believe anyone would give this LP a review of only 1 star considering the quality of these tracks alone. I also understand there is video footage of this group around but so far, I haven't had any luck in getting hold of it(the guy who has the footage of the group was also derisive of them - some people have no taste!) Paul R -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: New Colony Six and the Chicago sound Sundazed Records has done well in covering the earlier garage roots of the New Colony Six, but I think it's high time for a comprehensive overview of their later harmony-pop output, typified by "I Will Always Think About You" and "Things I'd Like To Say," their two 1968 hits and the songs they are best remembered for outside of Chicago. The American Breed, Buckinghams, New Colony Six, and maybe to a lesser extent the Cryan Shames are purveyors of the typical Chicago rock sound -- that blending of British beat with jazzy horns and a lot of experimentation. But the other "Chicago Sound" was typified by the garage punk/blues of the Shadows Of Knight, the Warner Brothers, the Little Boy Blues, Saturday's Children, and the Mauds. The Ides Of March seem sort of an archetypal Chicago band. Like the NC6, they started out as British beat wannabes, although more Beatlesque than the NC6, who mixed in some Stones and Them influences. Then they added the horns, but rhythmically they "brought on the funk" so to speak, a harder edge than other Chicago "horn bands" of the time. Thus, the Ides of the "Vehicle" days were virtually unrecognizable as the same guys who did "Roller Coaster" and "You Didn't Listen." Unfortunately, by the end of the '60s, Chicago, the group, came along and kind of homogenized everything that the bands that came before them had put down. In this respect, they were like the Eagles, who took an interesting, innovative musical genre, i.e. country-rock, and turned it into formulaic radio and chart fodder. Luckily, the revived interest in all things '60s pop kept the above-named bands out of total obscurity. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames One thing I miss about the original Cryan Shames CD on Columbia is that "I Wanna Meet You" immediately followed "Ben Franklin's Almanac," meaning the extended "freakout" at the end stopped suddenly, perfectly seguing into "I Wanna Meet You." Same feeling gotten from hearing "We Will Rock You" going into "We Are The Champions" by Queen, or "Fortunate Son" leading into "Travelin' Band" on CCR's "Chronicle," or "Yes It Is" leading into "I'm Down" on the Beatles "Past Masters" CD. There's something missing having to reprogram your CDs to replicate such perfect pairings of tunes... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:35:49 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Shames/Montanas Question for Clark Besch or anyone who knows - Is the Shames CD on Varese? Still available? I really enjoyed them when I got their singles in the sixties (they were issued in the UK on CBS), but I seemed to have missed the arrival of a CD. The Montanas Sequel CD is still in the new Sanctuary catalogue so should still be available to order - NEMCD 994 - very nice collection that includes their cover of Roger Nichols' 'Let's Ride' - one we also put on Ripples Vol 8. Tony Hatch wrote some fine songs trying to break that band, but sadly to no avail. He rated them highly I believe. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:15:32 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Nancy Holloway I received a request from a Belgian friend asking for some information on Nancy Holloway. It appears Nancy relocated from the US to France and specialized in covering early 60s US (and some UK) hits in the French language a practice she shared with Richard Anthony, Dick Rivers and Johnny Halliday, to name a few. She cut original French language material as well. Nancy had one US 45, "Big Noise From Winnetka"/"Chante" on London in 1963. Does anyone have any information on Nancy or know where we could find some. Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:16:59 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Solitary Man I am looking for a clean copy of Eddie Rambeau's version of "Solitary Man" released in the US on Bell 873 in 1970. Can anyone help? Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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