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Spectropop - Digest Number 849

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Montanas
           From: Norman 
      2. Re: Rose Garden
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      3. Re: Merseybeat wannabes
           From: Lindsay Martin 
      4. RIP - Edwin Starr
           From: Michael Edwards 
      5. American Breed/Cryan Shames/Montanas/American dreams
           From: Clark Besch 
      6. Re: Gordian Knot
           From: Patrick Rands 
      7. Adam Faith
           From: Michael Edwards 
      8. Rose Garden now in musica
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      9. Susan Maughan Jazz Records?
           From: Jeffery Kennedy 
     10. Re: The Montanas
           From: David Coyle 
     11. Re: The Cryan Shames
           From: Tim Viney 
     12. Re: Montanas
           From: Dan Hughes 
     13. Kind of a remix
           From: Charles G. Hill 
     14. Re: Cranking up the speed
           From: Laura Pinto 
     15. probing Proby
           From: Phil Milstein 
     16. Buckinghams
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     17. The Liquid Room 4/6/03
           From: David Ponak 

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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:45:43 +0930 From: Norman Subject: Re: Montanas Re: Rob Stride The Montanas I had never heard of the Montanas until I was given a set of those great hits of the sixties CDs, you know the ones re-recorded by one or more of the original group (usually the one member who couldn't sing). I was surprised to hear how well regarded they are in the USA. John Woodhouse runs a great site dealing with British groups from Birmingham (Midlands of England). He runs it out of Canada and it is really worth a look. There is a very "groovy" pic of the group featured at: Re: Ciao Baby Didn't Lynne Randell have the penultimate version of that song? Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:34:28 -0700 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: Rose Garden Bobster: > Didn't "Here Today" actually show up on the 'Next Plane To > London' LP? Would love to get the 45 that never got on there, > all the same. Jeff G, this is same title different song from > the Brian Wilson composition, right? The Gene Clark song "Till Today" is on the LP, while the group original "Here's Today" is the B-side of the non-LP 45. "Till Today" is early country rock similar to several songs on Clark's contemporary WITH THE GOSDEN BROTHERS LP. "Here's Today" - IMHO their best track - has a bit of a jazzy feel and some nice guitar work (think of a folkier version of "Undun"). I'll post both sides of the non-LP single as space allows. Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:44:51 +1000 From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Re: Merseybeat wannabes Then there was the Melbourne band who called themselves The Flies. Kind of appropriate for an Australian summer, I guess. From what little I heard of them, they weren't half bad, and featured Ronnie Burns, who went on to a successful solo career and can be heard on Nuggets II singing a Brothers Gibb song, "Exit Stage Right". Lindsay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:18:57 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: RIP - Edwin Starr As I am sure most of you are aware Edwin Starr passed away on April 2nd. Some of his songs truly met the definition of Spectropop; "Stop Her On Sight", Headline News" and the Shades Of Blue's "Oh How Happy" being solid examples. We are currently playing the Shades Of Blue's "Lonely Summer", which Edwin wrote, at Eddie Rambeau's fan club site. You can all listen at: An extensive tribute to Edwin can be found at: Congrats to Rik Williams and his team for a fine job done in preparing this. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:21:36 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: American Breed/Cryan Shames/Montanas/American dreams Wow, what a deal! 3 of my fave 60s bands mentioned in one page!! Number one, I wrote the CD liner notes for both the American Breed and Cryan Shames CDs spoken of in these pages. The Cryan Shames were my favorite 60s band growing up in the 60s (outside the Fab 4). David Coyle did a great job of describing them in short form. They are still performing--and even more cool, performing all their 60s 45s!! J.C. Hooke still fronts the band from booking and original membership. Altho' Tom Doody (original lead singer) still performs with them occasionally, long-time Chicago DJ Bob Stroud now sings lead--and they sound great! Hooke is phenomenal on percussion for them still! If you get to Chitown, I suggest you see them. You can listen to Bob Stroud's 20 year running Sunday Morning radio show, "Rock 'n Roll Roots" on from 9-noon central time. You'll hear the Chicago area hits of the day fer sure! Which brings me to the American Breed Varese CD. The stereo versions of Breed songs were chosen for the CD in all cases. "Bend Me" does suffer from the stereo being too wide and maybe not mixed well. But, it is the way it was originally mixed. The above-mentioned Bob Stroud has released thru his radio stations in Chicago over the past decade, 04 volumes of various hit original versions that were made for sale with proceeds to charity in the Chicago area. In those have come first time U.S. legit releases on cd of "L.A. Goodbye", "Superman" by Ides of March, "Little Miss Sad" by the 5 Emprees, "Midnight Hour" by Michael & Messengers, and "Summer Sun" by Jamestown Massacre among others! A nice mix of "Bend Me" with drums and vocals centered in stereo may be on upcoming volume 5, so cross your fingers, I guess. By the way, the Breed's first single "I Don't Think You know me" is quite different from 45 to Lp version. The 45 has little horns on it and fades at the end. The Lp has horns and cold ending. The Cd compromises (?) by having stereo Lp version fade like the 45. So, you never know what happens when Cds come out, I guess. As for speeding up songs, I agree with all the comments I read on the subject. One of the funniest is the great mid-70s 45 "Highfly" by John Miles that was a hit in Chicago. The DJ 45 had the mono side much faster than the stereo side of the same 45!!!! Maybe FM radio wanted slower versions and AM has always known for speeding up 45s. Funny they did it for you on the DJ 45 in this case!! I have loved the Montanas since 1968! What great powerful pop music!! Their 45s ran from 1964 to 1972! Much of their best and several great unreleased songs have shown up on a recent UK Cd which is still available from outlets. I suggest you find it and buy it! You won't regret it! I'm still wishing "Run to Me" will show up in stereo someday like "You've Got To Be Loved" has on a Dick Bartley compilation Cd. They did a great version of it for the BBC too live!! Is it me, or has the TV show "American Dreams" become a bummer to watch? So many negative social issues in each show. Yes, they happened, but all in such a short amount of time to one family?? Reminds me of the "Sixties" made-for-TV movie awhile back. Despite the Vietnam War, which has been touched on slightly in "Dreams", I had a great childhood in the 60s and didn't have all these things happening to my family! I like the Bandstand thing the best, I think. This past week, I could not tell what year I was in! Worst for dating music for the show that I've seen in the series by far. Mid-64, I guess? I liked the portrayal of the Zombies and Brenda Holloway, however, if she can be on this show, let's get Keith, Rose Garden and other mid-30s charters on there too! I like the show, but it needs to get back to a positive approach to the 60s. It wasn't all negative!! The Cryan Shames prove that!! Take care, Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:48:32 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Gordian Knot Scott: > I didn't think the review was that critical since it says > some nice things about the LP. The price is high, but as > far as I can tell, this is an exceptionally rare album and > this copy is in great shape. I couldn't locate a second copy > anywhere on the web ... Hi Scott, I suppose I should be more specific about what I meant about your reviews. It just seems you are not coming from a soft rock aficionado perspective which gives your reviews a certain pedestrian (read as rock-n-roll) slant. On the Canterbury Music Festival review you only seem to like their upbeat songs, a sign that you aren't into the more delicate introspective side of soft rock / sunshine pop. You also don't seem to even dig the Tokens. You totally slam the Gordian Knot LP (one star???). I think the best songs on that lp are way above "at least listenable". There's nothing wrong about where you are coming from, but it's what I meant when I said "grain of salt" and it's worth noting. As for the prices, you might be right - especially if the LPs are as clean as you claim. I did a search at past ebay auctions and the Gordian Knot LP sold for anywhere between $9.99 to $31.00 - many of the auctions had multiple bids too. Methinks someone needs to hop on a CD reissue if those were indeed people looking for the LP. I still think those prices are too high, considering how many copies of this LP are floating around. $10-15 seems more like it - but what do I know? In regard to the Canterbury Music Festival lp, you are right it is scarce, but $350 seemed pretty steep, I'd think it would be more around $200. It's a shame that the Canterbury Music Festival master tapes have disappeared, the cd was reissued in Japan recently from a vinyl source, from what I understand. I too write music reviews, but you have to realize that I love this stuff - check out my recent Rev-Ola reviews: :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:50:12 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Adam Faith The tribute to Adam Faith on this site states that: > He came through in the pioneering days of pop music and he > really was a big icon along with Cliff Richard - they were > the first wave of the British version of the pop music world. As with Cliff Richard, Adam's early UK successes met with indifference in the US. He didn't chart here until 1965 when "It's Alright" got to #31 as part of the British Invasion. No doubt some of the failure was due to a complete lack of consistency in the pattern of his US releases. His early US 45s were released on a diverse bunch of labels such as Capitol, Dot and Cub. His 1960 US album "England's Top Singer" came out on MGM with a note saying that "perhaps the best indication of his fame is the fact that in England he currently outsells the world-famous Elvis Presley by a considerable margin". Lack of us label consistency was also a problem for Cliff Richard and the Beatles prior to "IWTHYH". Some US artists did pick up on Adam Faith. Bobby Vee covered "What Do You Want" in 1959 and Fabian did the same with "Made You" in 1961. The latter (Adam's version, that is) is a firm favorite of respected UK DJ, Bob Harris. As everything Adam recorded is out on CD, none of his stuff can be played to musica. So let's give it up for Fabian and the Fabulous 4 as their version of "Made You" plays in musica as a tribute to the late Adam Faith. Enjoy and RIP Adam, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:17:05 -0000 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Rose Garden now in musica Both sides of the non-LP "If My World Falls Through"/ "Here's Today" 45 (Atco 45-6564, 1968) have been played to musica. Enjoy! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:19:33 -0000 From: Jeffery Kennedy Subject: Susan Maughan Jazz Records? UK singer Susan Maughan is probably best known for her cover version of Marcie Blaine's "Bobby's Girl." However, I recently noticed that two jazz LPs she recorded for Philips, "Swingin' Susan" and "Sentimental Susan," have been reissued on CD in Japan. I had no idea she made jazz records. Are these pre-"Bobby's Girl" recordings? Has anyone heard them? What's the word? Private replies are fine. Jeffery Kennedy San Francisco -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Montanas There was a CD on Sequel called "The Montanas: You've Got To Be Loved". Much of the CD is what we call "sunshine pop", while some of their earlier tracks are very Merseybeatish, particularly "Ciao Baby" and "Goodbye Little Girl". I guess they were one of those groups who really found their sound when they started getting into the harmony pop. The flipside of "You've Got To Be Loved" was "Declaration Of Independence", and said single was on the Independence label (red, white and blue with a snare drum on it, odd choice of label for a group that came late in the British Invasion era). In contrast to the a-side, it was an odd piece of psychedelia, matching Dylan-like wordplay with garage chords and a bit of country influence. Besides putting in their contribution to the British pop sound, their "That's When Happiness Began" was a prime example of "freakbeat", picked up by several American garage bands of the time. Not everything after "You've Got To Be Loved" matched that single's pop perfection, but they had a pretty good run. Not sure what happened to the various members after the Montanas split (ca. 1970), but I think the booklet for the set I have explains more detail than I can place at the moment. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:10:14 +0100 From: Tim Viney Subject: Re: The Cryan Shames David Coyle: >"Sugar And Spice" is a classic, of course, but a case, >I think, of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I still >prefer the Searchers original (written by Tony Hatch, >wasn't it?). Sugar And Spice was indeed written by Tony Hatch (under the psuedonym Fred Nightingale) for The Searchers as the follow-up to their UK No.1 "Sweets For My Sweet". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:23:59 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Montanas Bob Rashkow wrote: > The Montanas charted in the US with the marvelous "You've > Got To Be Loved".....but not nearly as high as it should.... Rob Stride: > If the Montanas charted it must have been very low because > they are not in Billboard's Top Forty Chart Book? The song peaked at #58 in Billboard in the spring of 1968. Probably woulda' done a lot better on a major label, but it was on Independence--which I've never heard of. It did get to #11 on WLS and #23 on WMCA.... ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:40:18 -0500 From: Charles G. Hill Subject: Kind of a remix Mike Edwards testifies: > I have always stuck with my 45 version of "Kind Of A Drag" > which was issued as a 45 on USA. The Bucks switched to Columbia > but I was always wary that a version of "Kind Of A Drag" that may > appear on Columbia albums would be a re-record. I could not > imagine anything topping that frenetic blend of lead vocals, back-up > vocals and organ that made it such an instantaneous and spectacular > 45. I didn't buy the Legacy CD that came out in 1991 for the same > reason. I just checked the reviews of that CD in and one > reads: > "Unfortunately, Columbia decided to re-mix the song, "Kind Of A Drag." > It lacks the punch of the original mix. Does anyone out there know > where I can find the original mix of their best song???" Columbia has never, to my knowledge, tried to pass off a remake as the original; however, the stereo mix that they issued upon acquiring the band's contract is decidedly weak, with horns blaring all through the instrumental break. The Legacy mix cuts those horns down to size and puts the organ back up front where it belongs. I think it still has more kick in mono, but this is the best stereo version yet. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:00:10 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Cranking up the speed Charles G. Hill wrote: > Didn't Andy Kim complain that Jeff Barry (or someone) > speeded up his Steed material? Not only were Andy's Steed recordings sped up (with Jeff at the production helm), but Ron Dante's Archies vocals and Robin McNamara's tracks as well. Robin guested on a local (for me) oldies station a little over a year ago, and he explained that the speeding-up process not only raised the pitch of the singers' voices but also cut down on the length (running time) of the 45s, making them more attractive for airplay. From what I've heard, Andy had one heck of a time when he was making personal appearances in those early days, because he sounded nothing like the Steed recordings. You can tell immediately by comparing, say, "Baby I Love You" with "Rock Me Gently," which came out 5 years later. Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:18:47 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: probing Proby Excellent P.J. Proby interview (from '97) available on ye olde WWW, at Key phrase: "By now Proby had so many hellhounds on his trail they were hunting in packs." Enjoy, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:00:49 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Buckinghams Even tho' my personal favorite of the Buckinghams' hits is "Back In Love Again" (coincidentally the last record of theirs to chart nationally--super intro!!!) I will Amen Mike Edwards re "Kind of a Drag", one of the most exciting records to come out in 1967 with superb harmonies and hypnotic driving sound dominated by that great organ. (Fuzz, Acid and Flowers offers referrals to several CD comps that celebrate "The Chicago Sound" of the mid to late 6Ts; it wasn't just the Shames, the Buckinghams, the American Breed, and the New Colony 6, of course) Rob Stride, you're right! "You've Got To Be Loved" only got to #58 (sigh) on the national charts. Which explains why I only got to hear it a couple of times on good old Super CFL--very exciting Spring that was. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:16:02 -0400 From: David Ponak Subject: The Liquid Room 4/6/03 The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), airs every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as streaming at The Liquid Room 04/06/03 (Only 2 hours do to the daylight savings time switch!) 1.The Association/Come On In Birthday (WB) 2.Chisato Moritaka/Tokyo Rush This Summer Will Be More Better(Zetima-Japan) 3.Heaven 17/We Don't Need This Fascist Groove Thing Penthouse And Pavement(Caroline) 4.Black Box Recorder/These Are The Things Passionoia (One Little Indian-UK) 5.Super Casonova/Sunshine Underground Eternity Now 6.The Coral/See-Through Bergerac Don't Think You're The First (single b-side) (Sony-UK) 7.The Walker Brothers/Deadlier Than The Male Portrait (Mercury-UK) 8.The White Stripes/I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself Elephant (V2) 9.Wire/Map Ref. 41N93W 154 (Restless) 10.Dimitri From Paris/La Vie Cruising Altitude (Victor-Japan) 11.Ananda Shankar/Jumping Jack Flash Ananda Shankar (WB) 12.Rotary Connection/Ruby Tuesday Rotary Connection (Cadet Concept) 13.Karminsky Experience Inc./Assignment Istanbul The Power Of Suggestion (PO-UK) 14.Nana Kinomi/Suki Sa Suki Sa Suki Sa 60's Cutie Pop Collection: Suki Suki Edit (King-Japan) 15.Jumping Jacques/Double Francoise Avalon (Petra Srl-Italy) 16.Cody ChesnuTT/Serve This Royalty The Headphone Masterpiece (Ready Set Go) 17.Kahimi Karie/Trapeziste Trapeziste (Victor-Japan) 18.Brian Eno/The Fat Lady Of Limbourg Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy (EG) 19.Seksu Roba/Moon Song Pleasure Vibrations (Eenie Meenie) 20.Marc Eric/Night Of The Lions Mid Summer's Day Dream (Rev-Ola-UK) 21.Sweet Robots Against The Machine/The End Of A Love Affair Towa Tei (Avex-Japan) 22.Bobby Hughs Combination/MC Arthurs Break Nhu Golden Era (Stereo Deluxe) 23.Emitt Rhodes/Come Ride, Come Ride The American Dream (A&M) 24.Chara/Beautiful Day Yoake Mae (Sony-Japan) 25.Lemon Jelly/Soft Nice Weather For Ducks (XL-UK) 26.Tom Jones/Promise Her Anything Lounge Legends (Universal-Germany) 27.Riviera/I See The Morning In Your Eyes (Strauss Remix) Sound Of Garden 2 (Philter-Japan) 28.Paul Williams/Mornin' I'll Be Movin' On Someday Man (Reprise) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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