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Spectropop - Digest Number 842

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Association Live
           From: David Ponak 
      2. Re: Scopitone questions
           From: Patrick Rands 
      3. Re: Fake Merseybeat
           From: Andres Jurak 
      4. Howdy Doody
           From: James Cassidy 
      5. Re: The Association at musica/The Gordian Knot/Fake Merseybeat
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      6. Re: Fake Merseybeat
           From: Antonio Vizcarra 
      7. Re: American Dreams
           From: Andrew Jones 
      8. Brill Building comic strip
           From: Richard Gagnon 
      9. Re: Action
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     10. Cash-In Records
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     11. Re: More Tony Hatch
           From: Peter Lerner 
     12. Re: Scopitone questions
           From: Jeffery Kennedy 
     13. Re: Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
           From: Doug 
     14. Association, American Beetles
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Tony Hatch/Mark Anthony
           From: Mike Edwards 
     16. Re:  Fake Merseybeat/Play The Other Side
           From: Jeff Lemlich 

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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:25:44 -0500 From: David Ponak Subject: The Association Live I've seen the current Russ Giguere/Larry Ramos version of The Association a couple of times and was surprisingly impressed. The execution and arrangements of the vocals were great. The first time I saw them was about 4 years at House Of Blues in Los Angeles. (It was a rather sparsely attended double bill with the Friends Of Distinction). My friend Gordon and I shouted out for "Goodbye Columbus" during a pause. Larry and Russ looked at each other, a bit bemused, and said, "gosh, we haven't played that one in ages." They then launched into a note for note perfect version of it on the spot. Amazing! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:32:10 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Scopitone questions Do some poking around at this site and you can find some scopitones for Michèle Richard and Jenny Rock, and some others too - Sometimes I really like the boring ones. Like in the case of Michèle Richard. It's just her in a convertible the entire time! Not very exciting, I know, but there's something about the idea that the scopitone maker thought that all you need is a car and a girl and one roll of film. Anyone know of any other scopitones online? :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:33:53 +0400 From: Andres Jurak Subject: Re: Fake Merseybeat David Coyle: >I never understood why people actually mistook songs >like "Lies" by the Knickerbockers and "New York Mining >Disaster 1941" by the Bee Gees for Beatles songs in >the '60s. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having been a >Beatles fan for all these years, but songs like these >don't sound that much like the Beatles vocally. All >four Beatles individually had/have distinctive singing >styles. I had the same surprise when I first heard 'Klaatu'. Who on Earth could ever think that these Canadian guys sing like the Beatles?! (to say nothing of the LS Bumble Bee...) Andres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:19:09 -0500 From: James Cassidy Subject: Howdy Doody Phil Reynolds wrote: > Here in Chicago, the lead singer of the Cryan Shames > (Tom "Toad" Doody) spoke with a phony Liverpool accent. If I had a name like "Toad Doody" I'd probably change my name before I changed my accent. Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:37:46 -0800 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: The Association at musica/The Gordian Knot/Fake Merseybeat David Coyle: > (sic)"At the show I went to, they introduced a song > as their very first record and immediately launched > into what was "One Too Many Mornings". Certainly the > highlight of the evening. Not long after that I found > the song on a Collectors Choice comp called "Buried > Treasure", which also featured the song's b-side, > "Forty Times". Since you have the Rhino anthology, you know that "One Too Many Mornings" actually wasn't their first single, that being their great take on "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" (Jubilee 45-5505, 06 /65). But the B-side - "Baby Can't You Hear Me Call Your Name" - wasn't included, so I've just played it to musica for your listening enjoyment. The two sides show that The Association's sound was fully realized by the time they recorded that first record. Great stuff! I've got another version of "Baby Can't You Hear Me Call Your Name" from around the same time by The What Four (B-side of Capitol 5449, 1965) produced by Steve Douglas and arranged & conducted by Jack Nitzsche! > Clark also produced one album on Verve for the Gordian Knot, > that was a very Association influenced band. One of their > singer/songwriter members was Jim Weatherly, who wrote "Midnight > Train to Georgia" and other hits, and had a few hit singles and > albums on his own. It also is worth checking out. Yes, if you like The Association you'll love the Gordian Knot LP. If you belong to the pop45group yahoo group, The Gordian Knot's "You Still Thrill Me, Babe" - the mono 45 mix - is currently posted in their equivalent to musica. > The zine "Garage And Beat" features a recurring column > by the editor called "Unifying Order Of The Universe," > in which he frequently writes about these "fake > Beatles" that were released on myriad LPs and knockoff > 45s. One of my favorite such numbers is "You Got Me > Bugged" by the Buggs, which appeared on the famous > "Beetle Beat" LP (under a different title, something > like "Mersey Mercy"). Unlike so many others of its > ilk, it does have a killer British beat sound to it. I just picked up another of these LP's called THE LIVERPOOL BEAT by The Weasels (Mercury/Wing MGW 12282, Mono, 1964). As these things go it's pretty good, with competent covers of "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "She Loves You", "From Me To You", "I Saw Her Standing There", and "My Bonnie" along with Merseyfied versions of "This Little Girl Of Mine", "Danny Boy", "Corrine, Corrina", "Swanee River" (yeah, I know The Beatles recorded this, but at the time the people involved wouldn't have known it), and "Greensleeves". This last one is pretty cool and will definitely make this year's Christmas comp! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:53:39 +0200 From: Antonio Vizcarra Subject: Re: Fake Merseybeat Andres: > There were two groups in the 60s - The 'American Beatles' > and The 'Canadian Beatles'. I never listened to their music > (alas!), but it seems that they tried to copy the Beatles > sound, otherwise they wouldn't choose such names... Hi Andres Well, I have listened to the American Beetles and they were really bad!!! I remeber an interview they did for the Spanish press in 1965 where they declared that they were the real Beatles and that the Beatles from Liverpool had copied their image and sound. Well, judging from the records the American Beetles released at the time nothing could be farther from the truth. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Re: American Dreams My big question about "American Dreams" is: What's gonna happen when Bandstand moves to L.A.? Is the family gonna move to L.A., too? Will Meg run away to L.A.? Or will the show always take place in that brief time period in Philly? I guess we'll just have to watch and see. About Scopitone: Anybody see a Scopitone clip called "Love Being Here With You," by one January Jones (no relation)? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:56:27 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: Brill Building comic strip Well, folks, I'm happy to say that I'm finally done working on my little 4 page comic strip on the (very condensed) history of the Brill Building, for publication in Danny Hellman's "Legal Action Comics volume 2". Nothing you folks don't know, but I've put some work into the durn pictures, at least. I'd be honoured if anyone had a look at the results and let me know where I've succeeded (and failed). It can be found, in downloadable Acrobat pdf format, on my website at: Thank you! Richard -- *********** "Elle avait toutes les qualités que je déteste, et aucun des défauts que j'adore" ************* S.A. Steeman, Brelan d'As -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:29:40 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: Action Phil Milstein wrote: > Judging only from a variety of non-contiguous clips, >I am vaguely haunted by the structure of Where The >Action Is...It seemed to always position its musical acts >along some kind of waterfront, with segments introduced >off-camera by the voice of Dick Clark...there's >something inherently strange about the mandatoriness of >all these waterfront clips... Yeah, that's exactly what I thought - I found the whole thing quite bemusing. On the episodes I've got the most responsible adult around is Paul Revere! Is it the case that the footage Phil and I have seen has had a lot of the between song banter cut out? That would explain the absence of Clark on camera. Watching the excellent video clips at last night I did see a clip of "Action" where Clark was on camera interviewing the band. As for those waterfront shots - watching Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels mime to some of their small club - condensation dripping down the walls - R&B while sailing around some "Swingin' Summer" resort on a pontoon boat was a strange experience indeed! Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:02:16 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Cash-In Records A while ago we had a Lovin' Spoonful tribute record at musica (The Distant Cousins "Mr. Sebastian") and of course, some of us Spectopoppers spend more time listening to Beatle novelty records than actual Beatle records. I was wondering - was there ever a novelty record inspired by the Monkees? In a huge bout of wishful thinking I've managed to convince myself that someone must have recorded say, a "Don't Draft My Darling Davy" record. Does anyone out there know of any kind of Monkee cash-in? Or, for that matter, any other records dedicated to medium-sized artists like the Spoonful? Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:48:41 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: More Tony Hatch Michael wrote: > "Forget Him", written by Tony Hatch, reminded me that > Tony wrote under two pseudonyms, Mark Anthony and > Fred Nightingale." I had always assumed that the Mark Anthony, who crept into the NME Top 30 in 1960 with "Why Didn't You Tell Me" was indeed the singing Mr H. Was I correct? Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:00:18 -0000 From: Jeffery Kennedy Subject: Re: Scopitone questions Patrick: > Do some poking around at this site and you can find some > scopitones for Michèle Richard and Jenny Rock, and some > others too - Wow! That's a great website! So much French pop music, so little time! You can see more Scopitones here: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 02:24:21 -0000 From: Doug Subject: Re: Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea Larry Lapka: > Lastly, tonight, with very little on TV, I watched a movie > I hadn't seen in years, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. I > knew Frankie Avalon was in it, but I had totally forgotten > that he sung its theme song! Honestly, it was pretty bad, > but I was wondering if anyone knows where I might be able > to get this tune. Was it ever on an album? It's so bad that > it's intriguing. Here you go: Doug -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 19:20:01 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Association, American Beetles Phil Reynolds: > ...the Association Admiration Aggregation at > - It is wonderful, > with biographies, snapshots, chat rooms, updates, > and real time video and audio of almost all > their television appearances and releases. > It's well worth the effort and time to visit. > The fun is that they have either audio/video of > their unreleased material as well as concert > appearances with obscure songs (ie: Elton John's > "Take Me to the Pilot" and more). Great site, indeed. The obscure stuff is pretty fascinating - I like the 1983 (New Memories" LP) remake of Dean Martin's "Memories Are Made of This" (at least until the fade). It reminds me of Billy Swan's undeservedly obscure "P.M.S." - "Physical, Mental, Spritual" - not the other PMS! Also interesting to discover a cover of Judee Sill's "Ridge Rider" (Hexagram 16 LP, 1971), although the original is still the greatest. I also appreciate "Baby Can't You Hear..." on musica; I remember playing it on the radio when new (not a lot, but someone in Providence, RI heard it besides me!). Antonio Vizcarra: > Subject: Fake Merseybeat.... > Are there any other American groups who pretended to be from > England and that tried to cash in on the Merseybeat craze > that swept America in 1964? Any bands recommended? Not quite an answer to your question, but I always had a soft spot for the American Beetles (talk about chutzpah!) on Roulette with "Don't Be Unkind", about as Mersey as it gets without being there. Anyone have any info on this group? Re: Timmy Brown, "If I Loved You" - very good Spector-lite production, but in doing this particular song, what were they thinking?!? My first impression was of a Bobby Rydell outtake. Ashley: "Skip Bifferty"?!?!?!? (or am I showing my ignorance again?) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:00:19 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Tony Hatch/Mark Anthony Peter wrote: >I had always assumed that the Mark Anthony, who crept into >the NME Top 30 in 1960 with "Why Didn't You Tell Me" was >indeed the singing Mr H. Was I correct? A great question for Mick to ask Tony. I do not know but the reference I looked at for the song shows a Marke Anthony on UK Decca. I wonder if the "e" means that he was a person other than the Tony Hatch Mark Anthony. Tony's "Look For A Star" credited in the US to Mark Anthony came out at around the same time Mark with an "e" made the NME top-30 in the UK. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:45:52 -0500 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Fake Merseybeat/Play The Other Side Andres Jurak wrote: > There were two groups in the 60s - The 'American Beatles' > and The 'Canadian Beatles'. I never listened to their music > (alas!), but it seems that they tried to copy the Beatles > sound, otherwise they wouldn't choose such names... The American Beetles were originally the Ardells (aka The R-Dells) from West Palm Beach, Florida. Their name was changed while they were touring South America at the height of Beatlemania. By 1966 their name was changed again, to the Razor's Edge. It was then that they had their biggest hit, "Let's Call It A Day Girl". Their story is in "The Book". Re: Play The Other Side > And muchas gracias from me to Phil as well. "Beep" was the > only song I didn't listen to in its entirety. After about 3 > minutes or so, I had to go on to the next track! Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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