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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Ron Dante/Barry Manilow/Yellow Van
           From: Laura Pinto 
      2. Re: Knickerbockers/Standells
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Re: Brian Wilson etc
           From: Dave Marshall 
      4. More Tony Hatch Questions...
           From: Jeffery Kennedy 
      5. Re: Ronnie Dante: "Poor Boys"
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Paul Revere and the Raiders/The Association
           From: Larry Lapka 
      7. Re: Ron Dante maybe?
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      8. Re: Julie Grant: "Then Only Then"
           From: Syd Kreft 
      9. Re: Al Jardine
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     10. Re: Julie Grant: "Then Only Then"
           From: Michael Robson 
     11. Brian doing it again
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     12. Patsy Ann Noble
           From: Norman 
     13. Connie and Tony
           From: David Bell 
     14. Re: Where The Action Is/Raiders
           From: Mary S. 
     15. Re: Brian doing it again
           From: Phil Milstein 
     16. Re: Where The Action Is
           From: Mikey 
     17. Al Jardine
           From: Kingsley Abbott 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:07:04 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Ron Dante/Barry Manilow/Yellow Van Ken Silverwood: > A question: Who are Ronnie & The Dirtriders/ Yellow Van RCA > 10651/ c1976, I believe it to be Ron Dante & Barry Manilow, > am I correct? Yes ... Ron Dante AND Barry Manilow are correct. Here are Ron's comments on "Yellow Van": "That song is a Manilow arrangement with Barry playing piano. Barry had to go out on the road right after the tracking session so I did the backgrounds with some NYC studio singers. Always had fun singing like the Beachboys and this song gave me the chance." Thanks, Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:43:15 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Knickerbockers/Standells David Coyle wrote: > I've seen numerous low-quality clips and complete > episodes of "Where The Action Is." While I love Paul > Revere & The Raiders, the Knickerbockers made for a > pretty good house band when the Raiders were on the > road. The Standells also frequently served in that role. Ironically, I'll bet that the same musicians played on many records released under all three of these groups' names. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:08:45 -0500 From: Dave Marshall Subject: Re: Brian Wilson etc Mary S: > I wonder if the lawsuit that Mike Love brought against Al > has prohibited him from doing any Beach Boys materials, > as well as taking the Beach Boy name away from him? Try this page. http://www.californiasaga.com/ Al has been doing shows with members of old 60's surf bands like the Sufari's the last I saw, some public some corporate. The lawsuit was about the use of the name, Beach Boy's Family and Friends, not specifically about the material although the manner of the performance was used as evidence in the case. There are at least 5 boots circulating of Al Jardine live material. Owen wasn't really active too long (pregnancy I believe). He had a great sound with Carnie and Wendy but never really was able to establish any significant touring even before the lawsuit. The lawsuit didn't help by any means. Carnie and Wendy announced they were going to work on Wilson Phillips material, but nothing has popped up as of yet. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:45:03 -0000 From: Jeffery Kennedy Subject: More Tony Hatch Questions... I've loved the recordings Tony Hatch made with Petula Clark for many years, and they all still sound so great. The arrangements are spectacular, I think. It's hard to choose a favorite, but I particularly love the strings on Clark's cover of "What Now My Love" when they sort of "mimic" the sound of stars tumbling. Hatch also worked with other singers I like, including Francoise Hardy ("Catch a Falling Star" - with the Breakaways very recognizable in the background) and Connie Francis ("Love Is Me, Love Is You" and "Roundabout"). I've heard a rumor that Hatch recorded several tracks with Francis, but only these two were released by MGM. Is that true? And did he do any recordings with Hardy besides "Catch a Falling Star"? Seems like Charles Blackwell was the English producer she worked with most. Jeffery Kennedy San Francisco -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:18:15 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Ronnie Dante: "Poor Boys" Mick Patrick: > Our beloved quartet of Shangri-Las may have been *the* angels of > angst, the most melodramatic of myrmidons, the loneliest of lorelies > and the quintessential queens of carnage, but they did not have the > world of teen torment entirely unto themselves. In fact, boys have > feelings too, as S'pop favourite Ronnie Dante (he of the Detergents > and the Archies) proved with his stupendous Shangs-like death-disc > "In The Rain". This great platter was written by Richard Rosenfeld, > arranged by Bert Keyes, produced by Stanley Kahan (aka songwriter > Bob Elgin), engineered by Brooks Arthur and released on Musicor 1090 > in 1965. (When else?!) I have asked someone capable of such technical > matters to have it posted to musica. Laura Pinto: > Thank you so much for playing it. I have a copy of "In the Rain" > on tape, and the sound quality is dreadful. The 45 seldom appears > on eBay, and when it does, I usually get outbid. > > Here are Ron's comments on "In the Rain": > > "What I remember about this session is that we recorded it in the > same studio the Shangri-las recorded in and used an arranger who > worked for Redbird records and used the same engineer who did most > of the girl groups at that time. I did the vocal in one take and > thought we had a good chance to have a hit with this one." Hi Laura, or am I allowed to address you as Pineapple Princess? A foul sounding cassette, you say? Poor baby! I borrowed "In The Rain" from a friend of mine over 20 years ago. Luckily for you I never did return it. This fact has tormented me every night for two decades. Serves me right, I guess. Thanks for the quote from Ron about the session. Could you ask him if he can remember who the backing singers were please. I'd also like to know who sang the original demo version. And which came first, "Leader Of The Laundromat" or "In The Rain"? Two more different Shangri-Las pastiches it would be hard to find. In the meantime, you'll find the B-side, "Poor Boys", playing in musica now. The song was written by Bob Elgin and Bert Keyes; otherwise the label credits are the same as for "In The Rain": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:21:04 -0000 From: Larry Lapka Subject: Paul Revere and the Raiders/The Association I think that one of the reasons why the Raiders are pretty much forgotten is that Dick Clark refuses to release any Where the Action Is stuff legitimately. Sure, you can get bootlegs (I've got plenty), but I think if he would release the stuff himself, the Raiders might get the respect they are due. By the way, on another subject, I just found out that Collectors Choice Music will be releasing some of The Association LPs later this year. No word on extra tracks or just what they are releasing, but look for them later this year. Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:29:26 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Ron Dante maybe? Ken Silverwood: > A question: Who are Ronnie & The Dirtriders/Yellow Van > RCA 10651/ c1976, I believe it to be Ron Dante & Barry > Manilow, am I correct? Just got a nice sounding lift of the 45. I will play it to musica when some space frees up. I heard it was a one-shot single written/produced by Dante & Manilow, I wonder what the B-side was. As for the song, had the Archies lasted into the mid 70s, this is what they would have sounded like. Perfect Bubblegum! Ron sounds great and the record deserved to be a hit. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:33:57 +0000 From: Syd Kreft Subject: Re: Julie Grant: "Then Only Then" Mike Edwards: > "Then Only Then" is an excellent popcorn song. Julie Grant's > is a great version, which came out on UK Pye (1963) and saw > the light of day in the US on Dot. I have a lot of the Pye > compilation CDs from Sequel but don't remember this track. > Has it been issued on legit CD? Yes, there was a CD years ago with Julie Grant's complete output. Think it was on RPM. There's even better songs on said CD (e.g. a great version of "Everyday I Have To Cry", the Moodies' "Stop", "Come To Me" etc.) Syd -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:07:57 +0100 From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Al Jardine Mary S: > The current Al Jardine official website seems very bare, > and I think that he might just be touring with one or both > of his sons now (plus backup people, of course). Al's touring in various configurations, including an 'all-star' band with members of the Surfaris and the Rip Chords. He only seems to get a very small number of mostly corporate bookings though :-/ > I read something on the internet about Carnie and Wendy Wilson > getting back together with Chyna P. to re-form their group, > Wilson Phillips. Do any of you know anything about that? They've apparently been in the studio for a while. They're no longer performing with Al. > I wonder if the lawsuit that Mike Love brought against Al > has prohibited him from doing any Beach Boys materials, as > well as taking the Beach Boy name away from him? No - Al is allowed to perform Beach Boys songs if he so wishes, just not to use the Beach Boys name in his band name. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:18:04 -0000 From: Michael Robson Subject: Re: Julie Grant: "Then Only Then" Then, Only Then" is included on the only official Julie Grant CD currently available, "Count On Me - The Complete Pye Sessions" released on RPM 133. It's also available on Sequel's northern soul compilation, "Soul For Sale - Pye Northern Soul Chapter 2" (NEMCD 975). I've also got a French version by Nicole Josy - "La Vie C'est Toi" - on volume one of the less than official Marginal series of CDs, "Nous Les Filles", which tend to be very popcorn orientated. MICHAEL CLUNKIE VINYL JUNKIE (who occasionally buys CDs also) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:24:22 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Brian doing it again Interesting to read all the comments that Watson's initial points have raised - Thanks to Mark W for the most succinct offering! I pondered all of this for a bit I wrote about BW recently for the update to 'Back To the Beach'. His voice is certainly better that a few years back, and actually improved a year ago over the four nights at RFH. In June on his return it was even better - lighter, brighter, and most importantly more confident. When I spoke with him about two weeks before the June trip, I could hear right away that his voice was a tad higher, and that he was happy and relaxed. I reckon that now it is roughly where we may have expected it to be had we extrapolated from the 23 year old we all love - had he not messed up so spectacularly in the 60s and 70s. I look forward to Smile for a couple of reasons - to see if the increased cofidence is maintained - and to see which sections get included in the musical fare we are served. Brian should be OK about it all for one big reason - HE doesn't have to sift through the tapes and make the decisions - that job Melinda had delegated to the trusted band leader Jeff Foskett, whose musical integrity I for one will run happily with for this project. For me what will be fascinating will be how the well known songs (GV, H&V, Cabinessence) get used in a whole Smile Suite - how it all gets put together into a continuous piece. Which Instr sections will they use to give BW a 'breather'? Will they write new links? New pieces/songs? (Why not?) Brian has a band who can offer whatever is needed, and more besides. He will offer input when he sees how it is shaping. Remember that at first Brian didn't think they could pull off Pet Sounds... His confidence is greater now than for a very long time. Let him eat steak and join the preparations at an appropriate point, and I'll certainly be at the RFH to see what has been forged from Brian's original inspiration. It will undoubtedly be one of the most significant pop music events ever, and I don't use those words lightly... Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:25:18 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Patsy Ann Noble Hi Spectropoppers, I have noticed over the past few post the mention of Australian girl singers Lynne Randell and Patsy Ann Noble. Patsy, unlike Lynne, was Australian born. Being the daughter of Australian entertainer/comedian Buster Noble and choreographer Helen de Paul, she stepped straight into showbiz from an early age. She featured regularly on Australian TV, especially Bandstand (the local version) before going to England in (about) 1962. She recorded in England with Norrie Paramour between 1963 and 1964 for the Columbia label. As well as getting a lot of TV exposure in England she also fell into acting there including parts in Z Cars, Callan and the like. She later made the move to the US signing with William Morris Agency and getting parts in the Rockford Files, Love Boat etc., (I remember her a lot from the 1970s and 80s in a lot of American shows). Along the way Patsy Ann Noble was also known as Trisha Noble (maybe Americans would recognise this moniker), and of course Trish Noble. A fascinating chapter on Patsy Ann Noble is featured in John Byrell's "Bandstand and all that!" Including a humorous account of how Paul McCartney mistook Patsy's mom as the make-up lady! (1995, Kangaroo Press, Kenthurst, NSW). regards, Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:55:11 EST From: David Bell Subject: Connie and Tony I've looked up the details for Connie's recordings with Tony Hatch and have come up with the following information: 26 May 1965. Roundabout. 65-XY-443. Love Is Me Love Is You. (Take 1). 65-XY-441. Love Is Me Love Is You. (Take 2). 65-XY-441. Once A Day. (65-XY-442). Released on the Jealous Heart album. The session took place at Philips Studios, London. It must have been a split session as Connie then went on to record several German language tracks with another producer. Earlier in the same week she had been recording tracks at Abbey Road studios for her All Time International Hits album. Busy lady. According to my sessionography there were only 3 songs done with Tony Hatch....unless the man himself remembers differently. David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:59:00 -0000 From: Mary S. Subject: Re: Where The Action Is/Raiders Larry Lapka wrote re. Dick Clark's refusal to release "Where The Action Is" shows. Larry, have you heard any reason why DC is refusing to release these shows? I loved that program and used to see it on tv right after school. I enjoyed seeing Paul Revere and the Raiders, the "house" band. I would also love to see the shows from the series released because my all-time favorites, Nino and April were on the show once or twice. I don't see how it makes any sense for these shows NOT to be released since those of us who were around for the original shows are not exactly kids anymore, and eventually (since DC is apparently an eternal presence) there won't be anyone left who would be interested in it, since they wouldn't know who any of the performers were. Mary S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:12:18 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Brian doing it again For my two cents the main criterion as to whether Brian Wilson should or should not be performing again is whether or not he's happy doing so. This, of course, isn't really ours to gauge, but isn't his comeback at least in part an intellectual game anyway? By that I mean that our enjoyment of the musical results seems to demand qualifiers such as (to quote Kingsley) "extrapolate," as our ability to simply sit back and bask in the pure loveliness of the sounds he and his band are creating is mitigated for the many factors of which we are too well aware. My own opinion, based on the few times I've seen him on TV in the last couple of years, is that he's looked rather in pain, and a bit like a deer caught in the headlights, but if I were (hypothetically) to learn that he really wants to be out there, and is thrilled doing so, then I would be genuinely thrilled for him. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:22:24 -0800 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Where The Action Is Larry Lapka wrote: > I think that one of the reasons why the Raiders are pretty much > forgotten is that Dick Clark refuses to release any Where the > Action Is stuff legitimately. Sure, you can get bootlegs (I've > got plenty), but I think if he would release the stuff himself, > the Raiders might get the respect they are due. I can tell you what the problem is there. The original Quad video- tapes of "Where The Action Is" are gone. Erased. Zapped. This was done in the 1970s to save storage costs. The quad reels were HUGE and took up a lot of warehouse space. It was thought then, during the Disco era that no revenue would ever be derived from WTAI again. The low quality clips we have left all come from "Kinescopes". These were done cheaply as backups just in case. It was much cheaper to rent a kinescope machine than to run dual video, so most of the network shows were backed up this way. The "good" news is that a lot of the WTAI shows DO exist, albeit in Kinescope form. It's better than nothing. Same goes for "Hullabaloo". We have a few color videos left, but the majority of the shows exist in kinescope form. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:02:18 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Al Jardine A recent comment suggested that Al J wanted out of the Beach Boys Touring group because he didn't want to sing the old Surf/ car songs any more. Whilst his (occasional) stage shows do indeed feature more of the classy side of the BB's back catalogue, his recent recorded track 'PT Cruiser' certainly takes him fully back to the car sound with every drag song hook squashed in there! GTOO3 indeed! Billy Hinsche, who plays with Al's band, did say that there was one gig planned...April I think... Now, if Al was to record the great California Ecology album that he has deep within him somewhere, then maybe we could get a bit more excited. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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