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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Page sessions
           From: James Botticelli 
      2. Re: Telephone / Superman Songs
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      4. Missing Time-Life titles
           From: Charles G. Hill 
      5. Re: Jimmy Page sessions
           From: Steve Harvey 
      6. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Steve Harvey 
      7. Re: Reparata on the line
           From: Robert 
      8. The 5 Royales
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      9. Re: Jimmy Page etc
           From: Norman 
     10. Rock on Rye
           From: Stratton Bearhart 
     11. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Eddy 
     12. Re: Telephone songs
           From: Paul Woods 
     13. Re: Gary & The Hornets
           From: Lapka Larry 
     14. Mark Wirtz
           From: Dan Hughes 
     15. Re: Shirley Ellis
           From: S'pop Team 
     16. Josie & the Pussycats
           From: Stuffed Animal 
     17. Re: Detergents /  Ronnie Dante
           From: Laura Pinto 
     18. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Phil Chapman 
     19. Re: What Is Rock & Roll
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     20. Re: What Is Rock & Roll?
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     21. Re: Page sessions
           From: Scott Swanson 
     22. Re: What Is Rock & Roll
           From: Phil Milstein 
     23. Re: Even More Telephone Songs
           From: Mark Frumento 


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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:24:29 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Page sessions Phil Milstein wrote: > I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's session > work. I know one or two have trickled out over the years, but those > have unfortunately passed me by. Can anyone tip me to the top-level > details of any such comps? Eagerly awaiting a hearty dose of that > pipin' hot guitar, Phil, don't know of comps, but Big Jim Sullivan's Sitar CD on RPM (I think) has some work he did with "Little" Jim Page. Noteworthy track: "Pageing Sullivan". It's around. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:35:08 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Telephone / Superman Songs Patrick Rands wrote: > Can't forget the wonderful (and I think un-mentioned thus far) > Kinks song - Party Line. It has a ringing phone and a British > voice answering "Hello, who is this speaking??" Making Ray, Dave & crew the first artists to qualify on both the telephone and Superman lists! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:59:55 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update The new Record of the Week now playing on Jack's Home page http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm is The New Society "(I Prithee) Do Not As For Love" RCA. A lot of votes for this and I'd guess it will be enjoyable to many. Nice but I'd have voted for Rod! (If the free voting Rod fan would like to get in touch, off-list I'll sort something out.) Next week's vote should be interesting - one of my favourite 45s, The Concords' "Should I Cry" - produced by Feldman-Goldstein-Gottehrer - against The Fashions' "Baby That's Me" - I'd like to know if anyone has any producer/ arranger information on this 45. Both records just credit Nitzsche as co-writer with Jackie DeShannon. I've not included many 'cover' versions of Jack Nitzsche's compositions (mainly to save filling his discography with 100s of recordings of "Needles And Pins") but these two are rather special. If you missed the KHJ Radio jingles first time round, #2 - The Blockbuster is now playing. http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/jacknitzscheradio.htm Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:56:46 -0600 From: Charles G. Hill Subject: Missing Time-Life titles Thus spake Andrew Jones: > Don't get me wrong, I'm satisfied with the 34 I've got, > but I would still like to know what the other six were, > just in case I decide to search for them. The catalog > numbers of the missing six are: 2RNR-03; 2RNR-09; > 2RNR-12; 2RNR-15; 2RNR-31; and 2RNR-34. If you still need > more info, contact me off-list and I'll tell you what CDs > I do have. Thanks! Thirty-four? Forty? So far as I know, there were _51_ titles issued in this series, and there may have been others. All six listed as "missing" are single-artist compilations, as follows: 03 - Beach Boys 1962-1967 09 - Everly Brothers 1957-1962 12 - Supremes 1963-1969 15 - Frankie Valli/Four Seasons 1962-1967 31 - Ricky Nelson 1957-1972 34 - Roy Orbison 1960-1965 I have all of these except the Orbison. There are two other single-artist compilations, both devoted to Elvis (Elvis Presley 1954-1961, #06, and Elvis the King 1954-1965, #25). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Jimmy Page sessions There was a double bootleg of Page sessions that I still have. It came out on vinyl in the 80s. I think a semi-legit release came out on CD and was available as an import. Some of the tunes on the double lp didn't make it to the CD. I remember liking the tune "Get Aload of This". I think a cover of "My Baby Left Me" was on it too. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Telephone Songs Department S's "Is Vic There". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:36:40 -0000 From: Robert Subject: Re: Reparata on the line My poser: > On what single was Reparata's voice actually recorded through a > telephone? Simon White: > Weather Forecast? Thanks to Ken on the West Coast and Simon for playing along. Nice job, Simon. The spoken parts in Weather Forecast were recorded through a phone. As I recall, Reparata sang those lyrics through a pay phone in the hall outside the studio. Robert -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:21:20 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: The 5 Royales Will the circle be unbroken? Not. I'm sure everyone who hasn't been sleeping under a rock knows this, but I just discovered it and want to share this new found knowledge with Spectropoppers just in case there are others who have also been asleep at the switch. The noted (that's an understatement) writer and producer of numerous Motown hits, Clarence Paul was one of the original 5 Royales, R&B monsters of the early 50's. Real name is Clarence Pauling. Another member of the 5 Royales was Clarence's brother, the late Lowman Pauling who has writer credit on Dedicated To The One Love, Baby Don't Do It, Think---all major R&B hits of that era. Some itch on my memory tells me Lowman Pauling also wrote an early Ray Charles hit, and possibly a hit for The Clovers. Now there's a group that deserves more notoriety and rememberance than they seem to get. I mean they did the original One Mint Julep for heaven's sake. For all I know, maybe that's the Lowman Pauling song I have in mind. I'll take help on what those blank spots might be, from anyone who knows. Thanks. Anecdotally, Hank Ballard and The Midnighters were originally The Royals and had some minor success with that name, but had to change because of the conflict with the 5 Royales. Looking for some more details about the Five Royals, I found this link which is worth checking out: http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/The%20Artists.html Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:33:18 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Re: Jimmy Page etc re Jimmy Page sessions: Carrying on the Normie Rowe thread, I believe Jimmy Page was included in on his British sessions. re Telephone Songs: Okay, I will be the brave Aussie that puts forward Jimmy Little's "Royal Telephone"! Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:47:03 -0000 From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Rock on Rye Thank you Mike. I wondered what Wittgenstein did when he wasn't philosophising. On a serious note, I think the problem of how many kinds of music come under the umbrella of 'rock n' roll' is inadvertantly dealt with in the open concept theory... And perhaps a simpler musicological approach might just point out as in the case of all folk music/oral traditions that music transforms over time. Blues music at source in the case of R&R. Stratton Bearhart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:18:22 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Telephone Songs How about Donna by 10cc. I believe there's also a phone-bit on Pink Floyd's The Wall. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:19:11 -0000 From: Paul Woods Subject: Re: Telephone songs My favourite: "Tell Her I'm Not Home" - Ike and Tina Turner. Was that really Ike on the spoken lines on that song, incidentally? Paul Woods -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lapka Larry Subject: Re: Gary & The Hornets On Gary and the Hornets, I have never seen a comprehensive discography on their output, which I assume is almost wholly their Smash singles from about 1966 to 1968. Can anybody help? Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:20:11 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Mark Wirtz May have been mentioned here before (likely), but while checking out something else I came upon a nice review of Mark's CD: http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews-oct2002-1.html About the 4th review from the bottom of the page. ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:33:13 -0000 From: S'pop Team Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis David Bell wrote: > Re: http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/ ...Whoever is > responsible for illustrating Phil M's review with her > picture sleeves and particularly with the sheet music for > The Puzzle Song has produced a stunning display. Those pix do look great, don't they? But it's own-up time here at S'pop Towers. A few of them were purloined from another website. Take at look at their original location at: http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/shirley1.htm You'll find it a very worthwhile click. The S'pop Team Spectropop: Spectacular! Retro! Pop! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:48:06 +0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Josie & the Pussycats The 28th issue of Cool And Strange Music! Magazine is out now, featuring the true story of Josie and The Pussycats featuring the remarkable Patrice Holloway and the delicious Cheryl Ladd. It was written by yours truly, with invaluable assistance from the Pineapple Princess, Miss Laura Pinto, and the unofficial fourth Pussycat, songwriter extraordinaire Sue Sheridan! Get your copy now! It's a must for girl-group enthusiasts, if I do say so my damn self . . . and after reading it, if any of you out there with reissue label connections are in the mood to create a definitive Patrice Holloway/Josie and The Pussycats CD compilation for the general market (unfortunately, Rhino's recent CD is a limited-edition release), let no one dissuade you!!! Stuffed Animal PS: Log onto http://www.archiecomics.com/coverpage.html for information on the nationwide talent search to find the new Josie and The Pussycats! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:10:57 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Detergents / Ronnie Dante Rashkovsky wrote: > Leader Of The Laundromat - The Detergents: My failing > memory tells me that this was a Paul Vance written and > produced item with Ronnie Dante as the Detergents. Can > someone confirm? I know that Vance did several of these > parody records. One had Johnny Cymbal as lead singer. > Does anyone have that title for me? Can't help you with the Johnny Cymbal track, but you are correct about the Detergents. Paul Vance/Lee Pockriss wrote "Leader" and all the other songs recorded by The Detergents. The trio consisted of Ronnie (Ron) Dante, Danny Jordan, and Tommy Wynn. Danny sang lead on "Leader." A few years later, the team of Vance/Pockriss would also bring us a group called the Cuff Links and a Top-Ten hit called "Tracy." The debut LP was also entitled "Tracy," and the "Cuff Links" initially were just one guy overdubbing his vocals some eight or nine times. That guy, of course, was Ron Dante! Coincidentally, if any of you have seen it, there's a TV commercial for Yoplait currently airing that features another Vance/Pockriss composition, "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka-Dot Bikini." The lead vocals on the commercial? YUP--Ron Dante again! Speaking of the Detergents and the Shangri-Las, I came across a rather obscure single via eBay about a year ago by the former entitled "I Can Never Eat Home Anymore." Apparently, the Detergents weren't finished with the Shangri-Las after cutting "Leader." Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:28:55 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Just look up there... is it a bird?... is it a plane? No, it's Jimmie Cross with "Super Duper Man" (Red Bird 042). Another extended family member is "Superman's Big Sister" by Ian Dury, with some wacky strings from Ivor Raymonde. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:43:45 -0800 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll I'd side with Richard Havers as to "where it comes from" and "what it is". My immediate thoughts were Cab Calloway & Louis Jordan who provided quite a bit of roll as opposed to rock, Fats Domino doing "The Fat Man", the R'n'B of Lloyd Price, lots of the stuff Hank Williams did had a swing, oh so many components. As an aside, I notice we retained the "rock" but what about the "roll "? After a few hours torturing my brain here goes.... Elvis Presley--------------Hound Dog Jerry Lee Lewis------------High School Confidential Little Richard-------------Long Tall Sally Hank Williams--------------Lovesick Blues Buddy Holly & Crickets-----Oh Boy (not Pop to my ears) Jimmie Rodgers-------------Honeycomb Les Paul& Mary Ford--------How High The Moon Frankie Laine--------------Jezebel Lonnie Donegan-------------Rock Island Line Lloyd Price----------------Lawdy Miss Clawdy Chuck Berry----------------Roll Over Beethoven Duane Eddy-----------------Rebel Rouser Johnny Ray-----------------Cry Etta James-----------------Roll With Me Henry Dion & Belmonts------------I Wonder Why Ruth Brown-----------------Mama He Treats Your Daughter Mean Sam Cooke------------------Touch The Hem Of His Garment Ray Charles----------------What'd I Say Link Wray------------------Rumble Clyde McPhatter------------Without Love Right that concludes the voting for the Norwegian jury (Euro- joke), no room for lots of stuff, one or two last minute entries, Johnny Ray just had to be in there. Ken On The West Coast (ice pack against head) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:50:00 -0500 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll? Stuart Miller: > when Bill Medley starts ummming as they get to the > end of the fade..... Agreed, Stuart. I think it's a combination of Bill's velvety voice and the blissful chords he hits. It IS rather sexy. Our Telephone Songs thread has gone from the very specific to the very general: therefore not only Call Me by Chris Montez, but: Call Me Al Green Call Me Aretha Franklin Call Me Blondie And anyone for...?? Lonesome 7-7203 Hawkshaw Hawkins Bopper 4-4809 (not sure of this title!) Donna Dameron Both of which I am looking for on 45s. And now on to Rashkovsky's question. Geez you guys are such hard acts to follow!!! To the best of my knowledge "rock & roll" is primarily influenced by rhythm & blues and the country sound that eventually became rockabilly. So here goes: Top 10 Rock & Roll influences 1. Chuck Berry 2. Sam Cooke 3. Little Richard 4. Elvis Presley 5. Jerry Lee Lewis 6. Fats Domino 7. Willie Dixon 8. Dinah Washington (gotta get a woman in there!) 9. (arguably) The Beatles 10. (arguably) The Clovers/The Coasters (tie!!) Honorable mention goes to Gary-U.S. Bonds, whose "Quarter To Three" IMHO qualifies as one of the most STOMPIN' rock-n-roll records ever recorded, as well as having the best intro of any pop hit from about 1957-1965 or so.... Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:03:57 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Page sessions Phil M: > I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's > session work. I know one or two have trickled out over the > years, but those have unfortunately passed me by. Can anyone > tip me to the top-level details of any such comps? The most comprehensive Page-session compilation is an 8-disc Japanese bootleg titled "Jimmy Page Session Man". The next best choice is Sequel's "Hip Young Guitar Slinger" (NEECD 486, 2000), although that one is marred by the inclusion of several Immediate Records tracks that feature very little (if any) of Page's guitar playing (not to mention the fact that those songs have already appeared on about a million Castle/Sequel comps in the last two decades!). I really wish that Decca/Deram would follow Sequel's lead and release a Page-related comp of their own, since the majority of Jimmy's best session licks were laid down for Decca in 1964-65. Anyway, I have both of the aforementioned comps. Just drop me a line off list. Regards, Scott (resident self-proclaimed Jimmy Page session guru) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:15:26 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll Richard Havers wrote: > Interestingly the use of the word rock (and roll) in popular recording > goes back, at least, to the 1929 when Tampa Red's Hokum Jug Band cut > 'My Daddy Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll). In "Where Dead Voices Gather," his quasi-biography of transitional performer Emmett Miller, writer Nick Tosches dredges up what surely must be the earliest use of the term "rock and roll" on record, in a minstrel/ gospel session from 1910 entitled "The Camp Meeting Jubilee," credited only to Male Quartette. Fortunately the stunningly comprehensive folks at Document Records have put it on CD, on their "Earliest Negro Vocal Quartets (1894-1928)." I'll be happy to play it to musica, if interest seems to be there (and, being in the public domain, the track is deemed acceptable to be posted there). It's one of the strangest damn things you'll ever hear. Those interested in other early (though not THAT early) uses of "rocknroll" on record would do well to Google "Hoy Hoy" and "Saratoga Springs," which will hopefully produce a link or two to a guy there who sells a pair of homemade CDs of seminal examples of the form. The music is brilliant -- and, of course, rockin' -- but my only complaint is that he has mostly limited his selections to songs that not only exemplify rocknroll but also include some variation of the phrase in their titles, causing the comps to wear a bit more heavily than they needed to. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:25:45 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Even More Telephone Songs Don't know if anyone's mentioned Tony Hazzard's "Hello It's Me." I have his version but I think he wrote if for the Tremolos. Hazzard's version is repleat with telephone sounds and a phone coversation spliced throughout. Me being a sucker for Mr Jeff Lynne's songs love the two obvious choices by him: "Telephone Line" and "Calling America." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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