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Spectropop - Digest Number 800

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Ian Chapman 
      2. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Telephone songs
           From: Stewart Mason 
      4. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Antonio Vizcarra 
      5. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: David Coyle 
      6. Re: Message #10,000
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      7. Re: Telephone songs
           From: Phil Milstein 
      8. Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich/(deep breath...)/Gary & The Hornets
           From: David Coyle 
      9. Re: Superman songs
           From: James Botticelli 
     10. Re: Superman songs
           From: Tom Taber 
     11. Re: The Dixie Cups on the line...
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     12. Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson?
           From: Steve Stanley 
     13. WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL?  You tell me.
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     14. Re: Superman, Telephones, etc
           From: Bob Rashkow 

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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:38:17 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Rex, If we're talking of the extended Superman Family, there's always Graham Bonney's "Supergirl". This is 70s, but with a neo-60s sound [or "cheap", as Phil would probably call it :-)] - the fab "Superman" by Glamourpuss, a group made up of five beauty queens. Anyone remember their appearance on Top Of The Pops?! And maybe we should give an honourable mention to Lois Wilkinson of the Caravelles, who became Lois Lane after going solo in the mid-60s. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:45:59 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Ian Chapman wrote: > If we're talking of the extended Superman Family, there's > always Graham Bonney's "Supergirl". If Ian can go that route, then I can too -- I believe The Fugs had a song titled "Supergirl" as well. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:14 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Telephone songs Andrew Jones: > Also, Frank Zappa included an actual phone call as a track > on one of his Mothers of Invention albums (can't remember > which one right now). It's on Side One of the classic WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY. On the LP, it's banded as part of the track "Bow Tie Daddy," but on CD, it's given its own index number and titled "Telephone Conversation." The participants are Suzy Creamcheese (Pamela Zarubica) and someone named Vickie. Another example I can think of is Side One of R. Stevie Moore's DELICATE TENSION (1979), which includes a phone conversation about RSM between Irwin Chusid and a caller to his WFMU radio show between "Zebra Standards 29" and "You Are Too Far From Me." And as long as we're talking telephone songs, we can't forget Meri Wilson's coy novelty hit "Telephone Man" from '77 or thereabouts. Stewart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:55:47 -0000 From: Antonio Vizcarra Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Los Bravos, the spanish group who had a huge hit in the United Kingdom and the USA in the 60s with "Black is Black", released the song "Como Superman" (Like Superman) in 1969, which is included on their album "Ilustrisimos Bravos". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Don't forget "Superman" by the Clique, produced by Gary Zekley, recorded in 1967 and remade a couple decades later by R.E.M. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:16:55 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Message #10,000 Congrats on your 10,000 messages and 800 members as well as the seamless continuity upon Jamie's passing. Michael Rashkow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:22:15 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Telephone songs Stewart Mason wrote: > And as long as we're talking telephone songs, we can't forget > Meri Wilson's coy novelty hit "Telephone Man" from '77 or > thereabouts. Or "Hello, Central," from, like, 1906 or so, a song so popular that it spawned an entire, decades-long genre of follow-ups and imitators. Then there was Effie Smith, who in the '50s specialized in a series of ghetto raps using mock phone calls as her M.O. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich/(deep breath...)/Gary & The Hornets I, too, am into Dave Dee and company, although their stuff is hard to come by in the States. There is a skimpy 14-track compilation on Collectables, but I also found an 18-track comp on Fontana (UK) which is still by no means complete. I would love to find a more comprehensive retrospective of their work. They are much maligned for their overall poppiness, and oddly enough passed off as a British Monkees. But they had some very well-produced hits with a heavy beat, deft touches of psychedelia, wit and a bit of lasciviousness. I recently found a US Fontana LP from 1965 called "England's Greatest Hits," which includes the Americanized version of "Bend It," which completely turns an invitation to sex into a new dance craze that apparently never caught on, especially to those fans who might have gotten ahold (no pun intended) of the original version. After Dave Dee split in 1968 to forge a solo career, the rest of the group, popularly known as DBMT, put out a few more interesting tracks, including "Mr. President," a song I'm surprised the current anti-war protesters haven't taken up as an anthem. I think they've since reformed at various times with and without Dee. On another note, I have three Gary & The Hornets 45s on Smash. I have an interest in them because they were an Ohio band. All of the a-sides were covers of current teenybop fare (or younger than that, considering the oldest member of the group was 12). I have no idea whether any of them went on to do anything famous. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:09 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Superman songs Rat Pfink wrote: > The Kinks - (Wish I Could Fly Like) Superman Superman by Herbie Mann -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Superman songs Did anyone mention the wretched "Superman", almost-the-same-song-as "Vehicle" by the Ides of March? Great Caesar's Ghost! Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:11:52 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: The Dixie Cups on the line... Simon White wrote: > Now what about some rekkids that start with or contain telephone calls? ELO - Telephone Line 10cc - Dont Hang Up Conway Twitty & Loretta Lynn - As Soon As I Hang Up the Phone They Might Be Giants - Ana Ng Bernadette Carroll - The Hero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:25:01 -0800 From: Steve Stanley Subject: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson? Ever since the Chris Lucey Rev-Ola reissue surfaced, I've been getting a lot of inquiry into why the LP was released under the name "Chris Lucey" and not Bobby Jameson. After all, Jameson wrote and recorded the tunes.... It wasn't until after I had written the Lucey liner notes that I discovered the truth - I've recently spoken to Chris Ducey. Hope this entertains those interested: Bobby signed with Surrey Records, a sub-label of Randy Woodıs, Mira Records. His debut LP, "Songs of Protest and Anti-Protest," was released here in early 1966 under the alias of ³Chris Lucey,² and in the U.K. as "Too Many Mornings" by Bobby Jameson. As if this weren't confusing enough, the label on the disc itself listed the artist as ³Chris Ducey.² As it turns out, Chris Ducey was actually a wholly separate individual who arrived in Hollywood in 1965, a singer/songwriter in the folksy Dylan mode who, along with Craig Smith, released an excellent single in 1966 under the name Chris and Craig (³Isha² b/w ³I Need You,² Capitol 5694). In 1967, the duo morphed into a band known as The Penny Arkade and recorded a still-unreleased album with then-Monkee Mike Nesmith. Somehow, jazz trumpeter/arranger/composer Jack Millman heard some of Duceyıs solo material and asked Ducey to come over to his office so he could record him. Ducey explains: ³I went to Jackıs office and sang all of my original tunes at the time with only a guitar for accompaniment ‹ there were no overdubs save for the sound of his secretary's typewriter on several tracks. Jack surprised me one day and said he wanted to release those tracks as an album, and sent me some papers to sign. Then I heard he had already printed the covers while I was being selected for an ABC television pilot, The Happeners.ı Because of my contract with ABC and because Jack and I had no deal,ı my attorney contacted him with a cease-and-desist order. Jack had a retouch of the covers, turning the Dı in Ducey into an L,ı and commissioned Bobby to record new tunes around my titles: his songs, my titles. That's fact. I was in my archives lately and I found a reel-to-reel copy of that office session.² (Unfortunately, former Teddy Bear and original Songs of Protest producer Marshall Lieb is unable to comment; he passed away a few months before these notes were written.) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:25:08 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL? You tell me. In honor of the 10,000th message, I am moved to pull a loose thread and see how far it unwinds, to wit: What is Rock and Roll? (if there is such a thing) And even more interesting to me, why is Rock & Roll and who is responsible for it. Taking first things first, I posit this conundrum: How can Elvis, The Beach Boys, Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, Duane Eddy, all of the Brill Building and 1650 Broadway and every Brooklyn and Harlem and Long Island talent, The Beatles, The Allman Brothers. Motown et al, Neil Diamond, The Stones, U2, Springsteen and anyone else you care to throw into the mix-----how in the world can they all fit under the same umbrella? Is it all Rock and Roll? Can't be! Cannot stand scrutiny by anyone with good sense and/or any taste or knowledge. They all can't be contained within the same circus tent, let alone under the same umbrella. And what do you do with people like: Aretha, Ray Charles, Gene Pitney, Dionne Warwick, Kiss, The Mamas and Papas, Billy Joel, Elton John,Grateful Dead, etc., etc., --you name your own and each one you name is more likely than not to fall into numerous other meaningfully different styles and types of music. So, group---what does it mean? How do we parse it, what do we call it? Certainly Reggae is Reggae, and Rap (gag) is Rap, and Blues (thank God) is blues. But is "Rock and Roll" "Rock and Roll?" My vote is no. No such thing. No more than all Classical is simply Classical as opposed to Baroque, Chamber, Symphonic, Operatic, etc. That is the first question, food for thought and (I expect) some very strong opinions----and that thought then goes to this, which is less of a dilemma and far more fun. Assuming that there is such a thing as Rock and Roll select the 10 most important seminal influences--by artist and song, or by either one. By seminal influences, I mean who and/or what set the first standards that defined the music we call R&R. Just to start the ball rolling, here without much thought is a list that didn't require much thought and probably reflects that fact. But it makes no difference if I'm on the money or not--what I am hoping for is that we will hear from all 800 members of the group; and that the Spectopop Team of talented webmeisters will keep a tally of the responses, which at a certain date will lead to an announcement of the 10 most important seminal rock and roll records. In no particular order, here's a few suggestions. Please keep in mind that I am very old, grew up listening to R&B, and therefore am stuck way back in time and place. 1. Bill Haley and The Comets - Rock Around The Clock 2. The Chords - Sh-Boom 3. Elvis Presley - Baby Let's Play House (or Blue Suede Shoes) 4. Fats Domino - Ain't That a Shame 5. Little Richard (he 'da man) - Long Tall Sally (or others) 6. Chuck Berry - Maybelline (or Sweet Little Sixteen) 7. The Charms - Hearts Made Of Stone (longshot but I love it) 8 Jerry Lee Lewis - Whole Lotta Shakin Goin On 9. The Penguins - Earth Angel 10. Hank Ballard/Midnighters - Work With Me Annie I'm sorry--10 just isn't's some more that have to be considered: 11. Roy Orbison - Dream Baby 12. Frankie Lymon - Why Do Fools Fall In Love 13. Buddy Holly - That'll Be The Day (or Guess It Doesn't Matter Anymore, even though it is Paul Anka's tune) 14. Five Royals - Dedicated To The One I Love (one of the few songs to be a hit 3 times.) 15. Conway Twitty - It's Only Make Believe 16. Gene Vincent - Be Bop A Lula 17. Huey Smith and The Clowns - Rockin' Pneumonia 18. Sonny Till & The Orioles - Crying In The Chapel 19. The Drifters - Pick One (Save The Last Dance is mine) 20. Johnny Cymbal - Mr. Bassman (I may be biased here) The world is waiting for your responses. Not best, not biggest hits, not famous---seminal. Go get 'em guys and gals. Personally I can't wait to see what comes from others. Rashkovsky the late Michael Rashkow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:37:11 -0500 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Superman, Telephones, etc Larry Lapka, I only have these on vinyl but I have Gary/Hornets "Baby It's You" b/w "Tell Tale" (which I like infinitely better--great bubblegum song!) on Smash. As for DDDBM&T, outstanding pop from UK. Currently I have "She's So Good/Bend It" on a Fontana 45, a Fontana early hits P (with Hideaway, Hold Tight, You Make It Move etc.) and their Time To Take Off LP (which of course includes Zabadak, Mrs. Thursday and Where From, Where To? but does not unfortunately contain Okay, aster Llewellyn, Sun Goes Down, etc.) Groovy stuff. Richard Havers: Haven't heard Rupert Holmes' Our National Pastime, but I do love some of the tunes he penned in the late 6Ts and early 7Ts. One such was Jennifer Tomkins by The Street People (of which he was also a member if I'm not mistaken), a sort of would-be protest tune that dented the top 40 right at the beginning of the Scary 7Ts. Superman songs: Super Man (Ides of March, summer 1970) Very similar to "Vehicle" only Peterik yells "Great Caesar's ghost!" instead of "Good God in Heaven..." Songs that include telephone calls: I've got 2, first from within the Spectropop range, the one and only Edd Byrnes' "Like, I Love You!", a very endearing, very ginchey cool-cat conversation between Kookie and the girl of his fantasies. (1960, of course) And from 1976 altho there is a connection: "Without Your Love (Mr. Jordan)" by Charlie Ross (formerly Charles Ross Jr of Eternity's Children) in which both husband and wife are revealed to be having an affair--pretty topical for its time, I think, didn't do too badly on the C&W charts (right after the CB craze died down!) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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