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Spectropop - Digest Number 786



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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Tico; Motor City and similar US labels
           From: Country Paul 
      2. Re: The Balladeers
           From: Bryan 
      3. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
           From: Simon White 
      4. Spector sessions?
           From: Marc 
      5. The Forum and the Spectropop range
           From: Don Lonie"
      6. Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman......
           From: Bob Hanes 
      7. Re: Forum / (Les Baxter's) Balladeers
           From: Ron 
      8. Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
           From: Leonardo Flores 
      9. one Kama Sutra answer
           From: Tom Taber 
     10. Motorcity Records / Drum Machines
           From: Leonardo Flores 
     11. Re: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
           From: George Leonard 
     12. Re: Tico notes....
           From: George Leonard 
     13. Re: Spector sessions?
           From: Alias 
     14. Artie Ripp
           From: Mike Edwards 
     15. Charlatans Know
           From: Steve Harvey 
     16. Eddie Rambeau music
           From: Michael Edwards 
     17. Rocky Fellers
           From: marshalrd 
     18. Eddie Rambeau's fan club URL
           From: Michael Edwards 
     19. Re: Motorcity Records
           From: Shawn Baldwin 
     20. Ian Matthews; Lovelites; Grads; Spree
           From: Country Paul 
     21. Re: Charlatans
           From: Leonardo Flores 
     22. Re: Surfer Girl / Four Freshmen
           From: Brian Chidester 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:43:29 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Tico; Motor City and similar US labels Re Mambo Gee Gee - The Story Of George Goldner & Tico Records: http://www.spectropop.com/tico/index.htm Minor glitches aside, the complete work (which I've read) is very scholarly and thorough, and up to the usual Spectropop standard in my opinion. I think the major connection to this list is obviously George Goldner, the label's founder. Goldner also founded Rama, Gee, End and Gone, all 50's powerhouses. Does this mean we're going to embark on a doo-wop and early r&b discussion? Personally, I'd cheer if we did - there are some astonishingly great artists on all those labels, many of whom are the roots of Spectropop's main interest. The Motor City Records information is fascinating to this American who had never heard of it before. Was any of their product issued on American labels? It sounds like something similar to what Ambient Sound and Classic Artist Recordings (in the 80's and 90's) did for doo-wop era artists - gave them some new material to record (and older stuff to re-rerecord) and give them a fresh shot in the market. Only one such song was a major hit: the Capris' "Morse Code of Love" in '82. But what a record. And the Capris story itself is fascinating - two major hits, both accidents. The first, "There's A Moon Out Tonight," died on a small label called Planet; the master was bought for $50.00 (salvage fee?) by a collector who had fallen in love with it, and who arranged its re-release on Old Town three years later. In the Four Freshmen discussion, has anyone heard their beautiful version of "Old Cape Cod" (mid-60's)? The 45 got some airplay and, I assume, sales in New England. Sort of Freshman do the Beach Boys doing the Freshmen - and a treat. Dan Hughes: > "Hot Smoke and Sassafras"] ...had a 31-second intro. I loved playing a > 30-second voice-only PSA over the intro. Start the turntable, hit the cart > machine, and listen to the nice lady talk right up to the post. I worked with a guy who talked over the entire 1:45 intro to John Mellencamp's "I Need A Lover." Every time. Cute. And I didn't know they were Demian on ABC. How was that album? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:21:39 -0800 From: Bryan Subject: Re: The Balladeers Bob Rashkow wrote: > The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for > Del-Fi? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine > sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range, undoubtedly, but they > did a great job with their adaptation of "Morning Star", a kind > of spin-off from Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me. They never made a > dent in the charts, did they. Sad. Al DeLory, Joe Van Winkle and Fred Darian were Del-Fi's group, (Van Winkle/Darian co-authored and produced the million-seller "Please Mr. Custer.") According to my information, their album, ALIVE-O, had five songs that received airplay, but not enough to chart (I could be wrong about this, but don't have that information if they *did* chart). However, the Balladeers never made a personal appearance or appeared in concert. "Morning Star"/ "Tom Gets The Last Laugh" Del-Fi 4123 August 1959 "Turtle Dove"/ "Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4127 October 1959 "Hurtin'"/"Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4138 December 1959 "Tom Dooley" Unreleased 1959 "Roll Call Company 'J'"/"Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4138 March 1960 ALIVE-O: "Alive-O!," "Bells Of Laredo," "Callin'," "Cindy," "Hey! Fifi," "I'll Wait For You," "Poor Little Turtledove," "Whistling Thru Rome," "Morning Star," "Tom Gets The Last Laugh," "Hurtin'," "Durant Jail" DFLP 1204 - 1959 Bryan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:21:26 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com This Sunday 16th Febuary 2003 on Soul 24-7 7pm-9pm GMT http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW 2 solid hours of 60's,70's but mainly Northern, Soul This week - - - - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White I had a request for the playlist from last weekend's [9th Febuary] Soul 24-7 show: Look Back Over Your Shoulder - Archie Bell And The Drells I'm Gonna Love You - The Intrigues You've got your Mind on Other Things - Beverly Ann Too Many People - Bobby Goldsboro Shake Me Wake Me -Detroit Strings Going Down For The Third Time -Diana Ross and The Supremes Falling - Gabrielle Key To Your Heart - The Soul Generation You Cant Dress Up A Broken Heart - The Loveables I Cant Change - Yvone Baker The Shelter Of Your Arms - Bobby Sheen Fancy Free - Bob And Earl Hold On To What I've Got - The Ohio Players Easy Baby - The Adventurers Need Somebody - Marvin Gaye Love Having You Around - The Voices Of East Harlem Don't Want To be A Fool - Luther Vandross Jack In A Box -David Morris I Didn't Know What Time It Was - Cathy Carlson You Got My Heart - George McCrae No Deposit, No Return -Debbie Taylor I've Been Blessed -Martha Reeves And The Vandellas Say Something Sweet To Me - Jeanie Thomas I'll Never Need More Than This -Ike And Tina turner Good - Dee Dee Sharp You Can Count On That - Shirley Matthews And The Big City Girls Where Is The Love - Glenn Miller Somethings Worrying Me -Otis Redding Action Line -Dorothy Ashby Well Alright ! - Little Richard Stop Look And Listen - The Chiffons Better Use Your Head - Marion Ryan Comin Home Baby - Dee Dee Sharpe Comin Home Baby - The Soulful Strings Theme From The Other Side - Hoagy Lands [sic] Keep An Eye On Love - Ernestine Anderson Fire Alarm - The Lovetones True Love At Last - Hoagy Lands -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:31:28 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Spector sessions? Hello. I just (finally) got my hands on the Phil Spector Sessions bootleg CDs - absolutely, jaw-droppingly wonderful. My question: Is there a Spector "sessionography" which lists what was recorded when (not necessarily just for this stuff, but all of his sessions)? Marc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:47:16 -0500 From: Don Lonie" Subject: The Forum and the Spectropop range Bob Rashkow: > The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for > Del-Fi?? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine > sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range, I can't get over all this talk about The Forum, a record I happened to find a couple of years ago and took a chance on. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet and I know it's petty but the above comment about "outside the Spectropop range" inspired this. It's about how they looked. It's about the picture of them on the back of the record. I'd say they look a bit outside the spectropop range too, even if there is no such thing. It's a lounge act. The guy's wearing a tux and looks like a stand- in for Sandler and Young, if one of them gets sick. The two women are wearing long dresses - low cut - and have teased-up hair. In the liner notes, Les Baxter says the guy Phil Campos was a folk singer. Here's some nice purpleish prose: "With only a guitar accompaniment, he attacked the audience like a leopard and they loved it. He was gentle and they loved it - he was brutal and they loved that too". If I was a girl, that would give me goosebumps. Actually the vaguely S&M metaphor continues throughout the liner notes. The two women are referred to as "animal trainers" and one of them Riselle Bain is referred to as "another lady wielding a whip". Anyway that's for people who will never see the record. This reminds me of a fascinating discussion a couple of years ago about the relationship between hair length and sunshine pop. I have to think that The Forum put away the hairspray and the tuxedos after they took that picture. Don -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman...... > Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman...... .....legend! The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:48:38 -0000 From: Ron Subject: Re: Forum / (Les Baxter's) Balladeers Bob Rashkow wrote: > The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for > Del-Fi? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine > sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range, undoubtedly, but they > did a great job with their adaptation of "Morning Star", a kind > of spin-off from Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me. They never made a > dent in the charts, did they. Sad. I'm not sure if the Balladeers on Delfi were the same as Les Baxter's Balladeers who had an LP on Reprise in 1961. At that time their membership included Phil Campos of the Forum and Jerry Yester among others. In 1963 they had several songs on "Jack Linkletter Presents a Folk Festival" on GNP. By this time David Crosby was a member of the group. Ron -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:04:14 -0000 From: Leonardo Flores Subject: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers Hello all, I'm hoping some of you can help me out: Here are 4 records on my Kama Sutra discography that I cannot find a release or records for: 202,230,233,258. According to the Tim Neely discography he sent to me the only one of the original five unreleased 45s I found is #260: J.C.W. Ratfink - "Hong Kong Flu"/"Silent Black Jack". I would have to assume that the Nikel Bags had a 45 as they had a LP on the label. The Charlatans were also supposed to have a 45 on Kama Sutra; was it assigned a number? The same with Jimmy Dean and the truly amazing third "lost" Goodtimes psych 45 "You're Just What I'm Looking For Today"/? On the LP side, has anybody ever seen the yellow label Outrage LP? I'm going to have to assume it was never released. Also inquiring if anybody has seen the Rosie's Boy 45 (KS 263) "One Way Conversation"/"If You Could See Yourself". Just don't want to be looking for ghosts. Cheers Leonardo Flores Uplandmod www.the45club.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: one Kama Sutra answer A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans 45 "The Shadow Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an actual release. While I have the floor, has anyone ever made a list of: 1) Groups that should only be named with "The" in front of their name [The The, for instance] 2) Groups that are ok either way [i.e. Beatles or the Beatles] 3)Groups that shouldn't have "the" as part of their name [i.e. Cream]??? Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:10:20 -0000 From: Leonardo Flores Subject: Motorcity Records / Drum Machines Hello, I have a Motorcity question: In attempting to recapture Motown-sounding music, why was the choice made to use a drum machine, or was it more or less in the spirit of capturing 70's era crossover? I do have the wonderful Ian Levine produced Doris Jones 45 No Way Out on UA. If Motor City was supposed to have either sound, it would be great to find some of those 45's on the label. For anybody not familiar with the label, the book Too Darn Soulful has some insight on the label. How 'Bout some top 10 Lists for Motorcity ? Any Cd comps for the label? Cheers Leonardo Flores http://www.the45club.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 03 13:13:52 -0800 From: George Leonard Subject: Re: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers Leonardo: > I'm hoping some of you can help me out...Just don't want to be looking > for ghosts. Dear Leonardo, I do want to look for ghosts. We were a Kama Sutra group, and it just struck me that if anybody can tell me what happened to Artie Ripp it would be Spectropop. Thanks in advance, George Leonard Conception and Choreograpy Sha Na Na -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 03 13:15:20 -0800 From: George Leonard Subject: Re: Tico notes.... Country Paul: > ...Radio Station WEVD is mislabeld as WVED. WEVD is one of the > oldest sets of call letters in New York, the station having been > named for Eugene V. Debs, the Socialist Party leader of the 1920's. Paul, good god! George -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:46:04 +0100 From: Alias Subject: Re: Spector sessions? > I just (finally) got my hands on the Phil Spector Sessions bootleg > CDs - absolutely, jaw-droppingly wonderful. Tell us more! What's on it? /Alias -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:14:14 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Artie Ripp George Leonard asks: > and it just struck me that if anybody can tell me what > happened to Artie Ripp it would be Spectropop. Artie Ripp was at Hollywood's Magic Castle on January 18th picking up an award for services to the bubblegum genre. He looked well. The organizers are now selling videos of the event: http://www.geocities.com/scramarama/magiccastle.html Artie might be on it and so might I, making it awesome value for $25. Seriously, Spectropop member and Scram magazine editor, Kim Cooper (also one of the 01/18 event organizers) may be able to give you some up to date info on Artie. Simon Say's Scram's website is at: http://www.scrammagazine.com/ Mike Edwards (just heading off to Lulu's) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:36:48 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Charlatans Know Tom Taber wrote: > A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans > 45 "The Shadow Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an actual > release. I got that record back in the 70s in a trade for a Dylan single with a ps. It is a promo so I don't know if stock copies made it out, but the djs exist. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:09:40 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Eddie Rambeau music The following titles are now playing in the music lounge at Eddie Rambeau's fan club site (go to Files>>Music>>): Bob Crewe Generation Concrete And Clay (LP: Music To Watch Girls By) Dee Dee Sharp Deep Dark Secret Eddie Rambeau Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely (new recording) Eddie Rambeau Summertime Guy (wr: Chuck "C.I.A." Barris) Marcy Jo & Eddie Rambeau Lovers' Medley Marcy Jo & Eddie Rambeau Those Golden Oldies Tracey Dey Hangin' On To My Baby These may be rotated soon so please take the opportunity to "listen" to them. They are songs either recorded or written by Eddie. Yes, I know about Bob Crewe but Frank Vidman is trying to show us how clever he is! Good thing too, because this is a great track from an LP that is crying out for a Collectors' Choice CD reissue if they haven't already done so. There are a few more items on this fan club site so please take a look round and add some comments. Mike Edwards (now looking for that big 45 by Hal Miller on Amy from 1964. It's the one called "On My Own Two Feet") -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:10:27 -0000 From: marshalrd Subject: Rocky Fellers I read an archived message regarding the Rocky Fellers that noted lil Albert and Eddie are alive and well and working in the music biz in Hawaii. Just wanted to give an update. My father-in-law is Tony Maligmat and he too is alive and well and working in the Carson, Long Beach area of California. Junior is retired and living in Carson. Dorotao, ("lolo" the dad, creator and manager of the Rocky Fellers) passed away in late 1995 or early 1996. Albert just returned to Hawaii after several successful years as a band leader in Las Vegas. The boys are just four of a family of 10 kids. Everyone of the girls could have pursued a singing career of their own had they chosen that direction. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:25:59 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Eddie Rambeau's fan club URL Sorry, I forgot to add this. It all goes down at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rambeau_fan_club/?yguid=67449765 Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:49:27 -0600 From: Shawn Baldwin Subject: Re: Motorcity Records Leonardo: > How 'Bout some top 10 Lists for Motorcity? My Top Ten Motorcity: 1) Mary Wilson - Oooh Child 2) Martha Reeves and The Vandellas - Step Into My Shoes 3) Former Ladies Of The Supremes - My Forever Came Today 4) Martha Reeves and The Vandellas - Angel In Disguise 5) Susaye Greene - Free 6) Brenda Holloway - In My Life 7) The Former Ladies Of The Supremes - Crazy About The Guy 8) The Velvelettes - Needle In A Haystack 9) Mary Wilson - Don't Get Mad Get Even 10)Martha Reeves - Number One Shawn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:24:58 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Ian Matthews; Lovelites; Grads; Spree Had a treat tonight - my sweetie and I cuddled up for Valentine's Day with some favorite Ian Matthews tracks of yore. In particular: "Seven Bridges Road" and "Old Man At The Mill" from "Valley Hi" (Elektra, 1973). Oddly enough, I also found an album by Steve Young, composer of "Seven Bridges Road" (the LP is the same title) on Blue Canyon, BCR 505, 1975, featuring the cream of then-contemporary session players. Young's version is much more country and more "lonesome." Matthews' just sparkled! He has recorded an amazing roster of songs. Usually one or two sound as though they were rehearsed and groomed to be the leading tracks or singles, and it's interesting how - at least on this and "Some Days The Bear Eats You..." - so many of the rest sound like studio jams; and there's something a bit off on each - a tempo, a wrong chord, too many folks jamming at once. Nonetheless, I still think ol' Ian is an overlooked gem. By the way, there's a website(of course) at http://www.iainmatthews.com. (Note the extra "i" in his first name.) The bio shows he's been fairly busy if not commercially successful. Now back to our regularly-scheduled era.... Re: The Lovelites Story, http://www.spectropop.com/lovelites - what a treat! The song's pretty darn nifty, too. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very much looking forward to Charlotte O'Hara and Bonnie & The Treasures, particularly since discovering the deliciously Spectorian Jerry Riopelle -produced, Gary Zekley/Riopelle-penned "Close Your Eyes" a couple of years back. The Grads' "Everything In The Garden" is not immortal but very nice - I actually discovered it in my collection, but it must not have registered, as I hadn't played it in years (same reaction as Mary S.). David Ponak, I note that you played the Polyphonic Spree "Hanging Around" from "The Beginning Stages Of." What track is that? (They're only numbered on my copy.) And again I wonder - what's the scoop on them? Are they a cult? A religion? A legit group? A put-on? All of the above? Seeing them live only confused rather than illuminated the issue. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:26:43 -0800 From: Leonardo Flores Subject: Re: Charlatans Tom Taber: > A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans > 45 "The Shadow Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an > actual release. Steve Harvey: > I got that record back in the 70s in a trade for a Dylan > single with a ps. It is a promo so I don't know if stock > copies made it out, but the djs exist. Hello, Is it a yellow label Kama Sutra? Anyway can you send me a scan of both sides of that very rare 45? Thanks! Leonardo Flores http://www.the45club.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:14:12 EST From: Brian Chidester Subject: Re: Surfer Girl / Four Freshmen Doc Rock wrote: > Hanging together after a recording session, the Four > Freshmen asked Brian to write a surfing song for THEM. > So BW wrote "Surfer Girl." But he reneged and kept it > for himself. Was Brian hanging around with the Four Freshmen during the Candix recording sessions? Because there is a version of "Surfer Girl" that dates from the pre-Capitol demos. Where did you get this information from? BC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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