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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
                   http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm
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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Oldies Quiz
           From: Dan Hughes 
      2. Re: Doodles Weaver
           From: Richard Havers 
      3. Re: Sony Music update
           From: Scott 
      4. re:Tandyn Almer Davon Publishing Demos & Fading Yellow
           From: Harvey Williams 
      5. Re: Seasonal Similitude / The Newbeats
           From: Simon White 
      6. Re: Northern Soul Cover-Ups
           From: Phil Milstein 
      7. Re: Shake A Tail Feather
           From: James Botticelli 
      8. Re: The 4 Seasons' Bacharach/Dylan lp
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      9. CD vs. Ink Debate
           From: Steve Harvey 
     10. Re: Penny Valentine
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     11. Re: Radio Caroline
           From: Peter Lerner 
     12. Re: Life "off wheels"
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     13. Re: The two Penny Valentines
           From: Lou Bova 
     14. Re: The two Penny Valentines
           From: Phil Milstein 
     15. Re: Oldies Quiz
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     16. Re: Penny Valentine
           From: Phil Chapman 
     17. Re: Cover-Ups / 4 Seasons
           From: James Botticelli 
     18. Re: 4 Seasons / Bob Crewe
           From: Mike Miller 
     19. Re: 4 Seasons' No Surfing Today
           From: Billy G Spradlin 


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Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:07:25 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Oldies Quiz

I receive this quiz periodically.  It's pretty tough--see which songs you
can identify.  Maybe the Spectropop group can become a team and win the
competition....

Golden Oldies Lyrics Quiz #192 (GOLQ192) 
Welcome to edition number 192 of the Golden Oldies Lyrics Quiz series,
the NAVAIRHEADS quick-turnaround attempt to prevent a gap in January
'03.  The quiz contains no special themes, but may be harder than usual.
One of our goals was to avoid using songs from previous quizzes, but we
found the pickings very slim among songs that charted within the top
twenty, so we have a number of mid-low range songs that have not been
previously used.  Our higher-charting songs are repeats.  We have a
pretty even mix among all years and chart position blocks 11-40 and
41-100, with a couple of stumpers for the "big guys". If you do not have 
the official GOLQ Rules (a posted copy of the rules should follow a 
posted copy of this quiz on most sites), you may use your web browser to 
read them at: http://theworld.com/~marc/golq/ E-mail (DO NOT POST) your 
answers to me at ; make sure to e-mail early, 
as there are often delays.  I will acknowledge receipt of entries via 
e-mail. Good luck to all!

Tom and Rick ("The Falk") (pilliontj@navair.navy.mil)
 
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Golden Oldies Lyrics Quiz #192
Recordings #01-25 were from 1956 through 1968
Due 5:00 PM EST, Friday, January 31, 2003
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Like wedding bells, bride and groom
We'll have the perfect honeymoon
#01) 
 
You say you won't be seeing me again
You say we're through
I wouldn't want to see the sun rise tomorrow
If I knew that to be true
#02) 
 
My love is like a star, my darling
Shining bright and clear just because you're near
#03) 
 
Oh Willie was the rovin' kind, so tall and passing fair
>From Mandolay to Frisco Bay, they knew him everywhere
Ten thousand women worshipped him
#04) 
 
Could it be that you've found someone new
Am I just a memory
Tell me please, I have to know
It means everything to me
#05) 
 
No other lips could satisfy me
Baby, Baby, don't deny me
My hungry arms long for your charms
#06) 
 
You're the kind of woman that grows on me       
You're the kind of woman that sets me free
#07) 
 
Our senior year and our one big sin
Was the senior skip when we were all turned in
But darling mischief had to come, but now it's gotta go
#08) 
 
Why girl do you believe a lie girl?
Why don't you see you're my world?
Believe me when I say to you 
I love you only  
#09) 
 
I feel like cryin diein', what can I do
I feel like prayin' sayin' I'm glad we're through
#10) 
 
Can it be wrong caring for you the way I do?
It can't be wrong sharing with you the wanting, the longing of loving,
belonging
#11) 
 
There were blouses with print roses, 
Checkered shirts and white levis
There was a frying pan
And she would cook their dreams while they were dreaming
#12) 
 
Give me your hand when I've lost the way
Give me your shoulder to cry on
Whether the day is cloudy or gray
Give me your heart to rely on
#13) 

You and me were gabbin' away
Dreamy conversation, sittin' on the hay
#14) 
 
He'll only break your heart
And leave you standing out in the rain
#15) 
 
Guess I'll go back home, it's late
Maybe tomorrow night, but wait, what do I see?
#16) 
 
Oh the foes will rise with the sleep still in their eyes
And they'll jerk from their beds and think they're dreamin'
But they'll pinch themselves and squeal and they'll know that it's for
real
#17) 
 
Then one day I had my love as perfect as could be
She lived, she loved, she laughed, she cried,
And it was all for me.
#18) 
 
It's just like heaven being here with you
You're like an angel, too good to be true
#19) 
 
I practice every day to find some clever lines to say
To make the meaning come through
#20) 
 
Laugh at sizzling sidewalks
Don't step on the cracks
Old folks try to catch their breath
As children catch their jacks
#21) 
 
They stationed him at Pendleton, not far away
They cut off his big blonde locks, I'm told
#22) 
 
Every word, every sigh, every kiss dear
Leads to only one thought and it's this dear,
It's so good
#23) 
 
You've got his dreams
You've got his heart
You've got his baby
and girl it's too late to turn away
And start all over again
#24) 
 
They said neon lights were a beautiful sight
But how about the one blinking in my room all night?
#25) 
 
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Tie-breakers:
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Have I done so wrong that you won't take me back now?
I've tried to be strong, I hold my tears back now
But if you don't care about the tears I'll shed
Then let me go.
#T1) 
 
You walked out on me and you gave your love to him so willingly
Oh he'll hurt you so, I know he'll make you cry
Like April showers start to fall
You'll bounce right back like a rubber ball
#T2) 
 
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:07:53 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Doodles Weaver Jorgen Johansson wrote: > For many years I've been trying to find out if DOODLES WEAVER's > version of "Eleanor Rigby" was ever released as a 45. Doodles had a version of 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' (Hit 104) in 1964 but I can find no references to 'Eleanor Rigby' as a single. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:19:19 EST From: Scott Subject: Re: Sony Music update I think most folks long ago concluded that running a record label has nothing to do with music ... the goal is profit, profit, profit. If these companies could make money by taping the sounds of their recording artists having their fingernails slowly pulled out, you'd see a wave of CDs featuring screams. Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:45:10 -0000 From: Harvey Williams Subject: re:Tandyn Almer Davon Publishing Demos & Fading Yellow Randy asked: > A long time ago Alec Palao posted to this group about a batch of 15 > songs or so of publishing demos by Tandyn Almer. As I am listening to > a batch of of songs right now that seem to be from this same group of > songs, I'm wondering if Alec or anyone else can post a list of what > was on this demo lp. The songs you're listening to appear to be a different set than the Davon publishing demo LP which, surprisingly, does not contain Along Comes Mary. Here's the full listing: There's Gotta Be A Way I Get High Menagerie Of Man Face Down In The Mud Sunset Strip Soliloquy Alice Designs Find Yourself Anything you Want Escape! You Turn Me Around About Where Love Is Every Time I Take You Back To Me No Curt Boettcher involement on these recordings as far as I can tell, but I'd imagine he would have participated in a demo of 'Along Comes Mary' as he allegedly co-wrote it. Also, I just wanted to add myself to the list of those praising the Fading Yellow comps. Great stuff indeed (tho the mastering is pretty mediocre & the sleeve notes somewhat sketchy). I saw Vols 2 & 3 last week in Selectadisc on Berwick St, so go gettem. All the best, Harvey W -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:51:07 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Seasonal Similitude / The Newbeats Have we had The Newbeats as 4 Seasons soundalikes? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:30:41 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Northern Soul Cover-Ups Eddy Smit wrote: > Northern Soul Cover-Ups were to prevent other people from seeing the > label, is what I always heard. My understanding is that this practice was carried into the Northern scene from its origins in Jamaican clubs. True? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:23:04 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Shake A Tail Feather Simon White wrote: > the deejay played "Shake A Tail Feather"... I love the flip "Divorce Court"...blueprint for "Here Comes The Judge" as I recollect. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:16:41 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: The 4 Seasons' Bacharach/Dylan lp James Botticelli: > I was at a record shop today and picked up the Seasons LP doing > Bacharach and Dylan. I picked up a US copy last year for 2 and it was a real lo volume cut. I got a british copy a few months back and it sounds a lot better. Strange because usually the U.S. pressings are more gutsy. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: CD vs. Ink Debate Hey Poppers, Whatcha know, Jockomo about this. Got it off another email tree. People who use felt markers to write on CD labels. There are special pens for this, but according to a record store owner I know, if you use a regular Sharpie on CD or DVD, it pretty much halves its operational lifespan> because the acid in the ink will eventually burn through to the data surface. All this doom and gloom about CD's aside -- they are still far more reliable for long-term storage of data and music than commercial magnetic tape (as opposed to the professional grade used in recording studios). A few years ago there was a problem with certain CDs which had a picture on the actual CD rather than just words. The ink used at certain pressing plants eventually started to eat into the CD itself. This was traced to two particular (UK?) plants which then changed their ink formula. I have not heard of any further problems since then. I think almost every format has had problems - vynil discs wore away and at one point everyone thought tape would replace them, but tape stored in reels for long periods ends up with 'burn through' between the layers of tape on a reel. I think 30 years for a CD is pretty good, as being digital, once the format is replaced (long before 30 years I'm sure) we'll just transfer them over like we do with vinyl at the moment. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:04:55 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Re: Penny Valentine I was SO SO sad to read of Penny Valentine's death. She was to my mind, the absolute, no question, very best reviewer of the sixties. Thursdays with Disc were wonderful as she had the courage to rave on about decent obscure records, describing them in her own inimitable fashion of sometimes made-up words. She was a delight. She was also one of the first British journalists to visit Bruce Johnston at the Waldorf on his Pet Sounds 'ambassadour in tennis shoes' promo trip to London. Bruce, I know, remembered her very fondly. An original, a very lovely person, who will be missed... Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:57:49 -0000 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: Radio Caroline Thanks, Ken for saying: > Oh! Peter you just shook up my brain. I haven't heard or thought about > that track since I last heard it on Radio Caroline North. They really > used to play it to death, along with Charlie Rich "Mohair Sam". I now > have a beautiful pristine MP3 of it nestling near to me, it will never > fly away again. I feel so good about that! It's the sort of thing that makes Spectropop so special. And do you remember they used to play The Walker Brothers' "First love never dies" all the time, too? Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:13:02 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Life "off wheels" Mick Patrick writes: > Rashkovsky, how's life "off wheels"? Still opening boxes. Moving in. Can't fit all the stuff we had in storage into the house. Actually pretty weird. Too much room to wander around in. Nice area though. Lots of horses and golf courses. Hell, I should have saved that couplet. ...and how's your foot? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:26:50 -0500 From: Lou Bova Subject: Re: The two Penny Valentines Richard Williams wrote: > ...who was the Penny Valentine who recorded "I Want To Kiss Ringo > Goodbye", a 1965 Liberty single? Info gratefully received... Richard Havers replied: > Richard, I would think she is probably American. It came out in the US > as Liberty 55774 in 1964 with Show Me The Way To love You on the b-side. > More than that I do not know. Agree totally on your views about her > reviews.....a lady of good taste. The Penny Valentine in question followed in the footsteps of Marcia Strassman in the form of being an actress attempting a singing career. Marcia's single "The Flower People" (Uni 55006) was released in April 1967 and achieved regional airplay in California. She later went on to Television fame playing Gabe Kaplan wife, Julie, in the 1970's series "Welcome Back, Kotter"! As for Miss Valentine, she later went on to become student teacher Alice Johnson on the hit comedy socially relevant drama series "Room 222" which ran from 1969 - 1974. Lou Bova -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:06:12 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: The two Penny Valentines Lou Bova wrote: > As for Miss Valentine, she later went on to become student teacher Alice > Johnson on the hit comedy socially relevant drama series "Room 222" which > ran from 1969 - 1974. That was Karen Valentine. Perhaps she recorded under the name Penny Valentine, or else you're confusing two different people. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:23:51 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Oldies Quiz Dan Hughes' Oldies Quiz: > Why girl do you believe a lie girl? > Why don't you see you're my world? > Believe me when I say to you > I love you only "Playboy" - Gene & Debbe. > There were blouses with print roses, > Checkered shirts and white levis > There was a frying pan > And she would cook their dreams while they were dreaming "The Yard Went On Forever" - Richard Harris > You and me were gabbin' away > Dreamy conversation, sittin' on the hay "Rain On The Roof" - Lovin' Spoonful > He'll only break your heart > And leave you standing out in the rain "Shame Shame" - Magic Lanterns > Guess I'll go back home, it's late > Maybe tomorrow night, but wait, what do I see? "Oh Stop Playing This Pretty Woman Song On Oldies Radio Every 30 Minutes" by Roy Orbison > It's just like heaven being here with you > You're like an angel, too good to be true "Angel Baby" - Rosie & The Originals. > I practice every day to find some clever lines to say > To make the meaning come through "Something Stupid" - Frank & Nancy Sinatra > Laugh at sizzling sidewalks > Don't step on the cracks > Old folks try to catch their breath > As children catch their jacks "Barefoot In Baltimore" - Strawberry Alarm Clock > They stationed him at Pendleton, not far away > They cut off his big blonde locks, I'm told "Surfer Joe" by the Surfaris, dedicated to the late d.j. Roby Yonge > You've got his dreams > You've got his heart > You've got his baby > and girl it's too late to turn away > And start all over again "Storybook Children" - Billy Joe Royal, or Billy Vera & Judy Clay > They said neon lights were a beautiful sight > But how about the one blinking in my room all night? "Magic Town" - The Vogues Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:52:14 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Penny Valentine I was sad to read about the passing of Penny Valentine. In the 60s, I was heavily influenced by her reviews in Disc (and Music Echo), and consequently have many great records in my collection, some still with her cut-out reviews tucked inside the sleeve. Penny was one of the first members of the Phil Spector App Soc I ran while I was at school, and she was very helpful, although we never met. Many years later, I saw a review of the first album I produced (a stiff, sales-wise) as "best overlooked album of the year", and was really made up to read that the reviewer was none other than Penny Valentine. Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:36:52 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Cover-Ups / 4 Seasons Phil Milstein wrote: > My understanding is that (the "cover-up") practice was carried into the > Northern scene from its origins in Jamaican clubs. True? Not sure...but Jamaica was documented to be the founding land of DJ culture according to the EXCELLENT tome "Last Night A D.J. Saved My Life". It covers the Bluebeat/Ska period, Northern Soul, The New York Jet Set Discotheque period of the Mid-6T's, etc etc. The Rolling Stones credit early 60's DJ's with turning them on to the music they later began playing live. Me: > I was at a record shop today and picked up the Seasons LP doing > Bacharach and Dylan. Richard Hattersley: > I picked up a US copy last year for 2 and it was a real lo volume > cut. I got a british copy a few months back and it sounds a lot better. > Strange because usually the U.S. pressings are more gutsy. Mine is a U.S. Phillips stereo copy and sounds fine. The record is quite good in fact. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:47:52 EST From: Mike Miller Subject: Re: 4 Seasons / Bob Crewe Don, the question that you bring up, "would the 4 seasons have been anywhere near as good, or as big, had they not teamed up with Bob Crewe", is a very interesting question, certainly not the first time that someone has brought it up, but one that should be addressed. Crewe was one of the top producers of the sixties, I'm sure that most people would agree with this. And certainly the 4 Seasons were one of the top acts in music during the sixties, especially the first half. Yet neither really get the kind of respect that one would think they earned. But maybe they do not deserve the same kind of respect that the Beatles or Rolling Stones have. I think that each, Crewe and the Seasons, must have been very good for one another in their own way. With the Seasons, Crewe had a strong backup vocal group who he used on all his experimental recording sessions during 1961-62. and the Seasons had a Crewe, somebody to guide them, somebody who was willing to take musical risks, when others were afraid or didn't have the contacts and knowledge that Crewe had at the time. By 1961, Bob Crewe had personally tried his hand at just about every singing style himself, in his quest to become a famous singer. I think Crewe needed the Seasons himself, because once the hits started, Crewe was earning lots of cash, and this gave him the needed capital to start his many labels, and his services became highly in demand. I will say that actually, he probably earned much more than the Seasons, because he was the named producer and frequent co-writer of many of their recordings. So, all in all, I think that the arrangement that Crewe and the Seasons had, was good for both entities. Without the Seasons success, there would be no Crewe Records or Dynovoice Records, or such a high demand for his services. Crewe also had a lot of good music people around him such as Charlie Calello, Sandy Linzer, Denny Randell, Herb Bernstein, etc, etc. Those guys had to be huge for Bob Crewe. mike miller, doowopdaddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:18:14 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: 4 Seasons' No Surfing Today Mark Frumento wrote: > I don't find the 4 Seasons' "No Surfing Today" among any of my CDs. Was it ever put on a CD. It was on the "Born To Wander" album and the OOP "Rarities Volume 1" from Rhino. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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