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Spectropop - Digest Number 741

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Neil Sedaka / All The Words In The World
           From: Brian Grey 
      2. Goldmine Mag: Market Beat
           From: Mike Edwards 
      3. Re: Northern Soul and the importance of flock wallpaper in Indian Restaurants
           From: Simon White 
      4. Re: The 4 Seasons
           From: Mike Miller 
      5. Re: Sorry, more Lovey Kravezit!
           From: Scott Swanson 
      6. re: Four Seasons
           From: John Lang 
      7. Re: Fading Yellow
           From: Cedric 
      8. Re: Second Hand (Spector) Love
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      9. Re: Fading Yellow
           From: Mark Frumento 
     10. Re: No Surfing Today
           From: Mark Frumento 
     11. Re: The 4 Seasons
           From: Leonardo Flores 
     12. Re: 4 Seasons
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     13. Help required
           From: Ray 
     14. Re: 4 Seasons B-side hits
           From: Mick Patrick 
     15. Re: Second Hand (Spector) Love
           From: David Bell 
     16. Re: 4 Seasons websites
           From: Stuart Miller 
     17. The Metropolitan Soul Show
           From: Simon White 
     18. Holy Mackerel appeal
           From: Barry Vaughan 
     19. Story of Them
           From: Hans Ket 
     20. Re: mastered backwards
           From: Jack Madani 


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:05:29 -0800 (PST)
   From: Brian Grey 
Subject: Re: Neil Sedaka / All The Words In The World

Thanks, Tom for your help. Your guess of 1962 is right on.   
A futher answer by Mike Edwards on this thread states it was 
recorded Feb 9th 1962, but not released until on the album 
in 1977.

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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:26:35 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Goldmine Mag: Market Beat Cathy Barnaby has a Market Beat column in the Jan 24th edition of Goldmine and she discusses the current state of CD reissues with Mike Dalgaard, the dealer principal of Rock Classics. Mike makes some interesting observations: "Nothing really interesting has come out recently and lots of collectors in their 50s and 60s are getting out of the market. American record companies abandoned the 50s/60s reissue market more than three years ago. That's what happens when you have accountants making marketing decisions instead of music people. Our figures indicate that there were almost 35% less reissue titles available this year than there were two years ago." What surprises me is that this decline is taking place as Internet familiarity and use is increasing. No, I don't mean mp3 file swapping, I mean the ability companies now have to reach their targeted consumer base easily – the financial institutions have figured it out, as we get 3 e-mails a day asking us to refinance. Any marketing exec armed with a twelve-year-old kid can find thousands of targeted customers. Make that a sixteen-year-old kid and you've got millions! Wouldn't it be nice to open Outlook Express one morning and find an e-mail from Universal Music Group informing us that they have a Reflections compilation CD available for sale? Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:55:48 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Northern Soul and the importance of flock wallpaper in Indian Restaurants James Botticelli wrote: > One essential ingredient of pure "Northern" is often said > to be the ubiquitous tambourine a-la-Motown. And don't forget > the Vymura! Apparently Vymura--a record label removing > substance--was used by some over the top jocks who didn't > want their rare 45s glanced at while they spun atop the > steel wheels at the infamous "all-nighters". Never heard that one! I always thought Vymura was a wallpaper. I doubt any Northern Deejay would try and remove a label. They used to put paper over them so you couldn't see it - hence the term "cover-up". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:56:04 EST From: Mike Miller Subject: Re: The 4 Seasons Four Seasons/Frankie Valli connections: Confirmed backups: Kokomos - both singles by the Kokomos on Gone and Josie records are the 4 Seasons with a different lead singer added in there. Frankie Valli is also in there, as he can be clearly heard on all 4 songs. Possible lead singers are: Bob Crewe/Matthew Reid /Kevin McQuinn or John Corey (aka: Johnny Saber) or yet another anonymous voice - no one seems to know. But positively it is the 4 Seasons with a Bob Crewe production. Matthew Reid - any song by Matthew Reid (actually David C. L'Hereaux) on ABC or Topix and possibly the Scepter single feature the 4 Seasons on backup vocals. Later in the 1970s Reid reappeared in Canada as the disco singer D.C.LaRue. He also recorded singles on Decca and Philips, but I have not heard them, so I do not know if the 4 Seasons appeared on the tunes. Lenny O'Henry (real name: Daniel Cannon) - Valli and the Seasons appeared on his northern soul gems on the Smash label from 1961, "Mr. Moonlight"/"Burning Memories" - for those who have not heard these songs, I advise you to find them and give a listen. 2 very early northern soul gems - a very rare record!! The 4 Seasons may appear on the O'Henry songs "Saturday Angel"/ "Across The Street" from 1963 on Atco, another pair of early northern soul gems. I have no valid reason why these songs were not huge hits, except that there was so much good music being released at this time that a lot was overlooked. The songs were re-released later in the sixties ('66-'67) but fared worse than the first time (actually the record charted in 1964). The Seasons also appear on many of the ABC releases by O'Henry. The High Keyes (High Keys) featured Troy Keyes on lead along with the "High Keys". Various records were released by this group in 1963-64 on Atco. Crewe productions, Calello arrangements - the 4 Seasons appear on all of these recordings. This is later; after they had already hit the big time, they continued to do backup vocals for Crewe records. It may have been happily or reluctantly, no one knows. The best of these sides is "Daddy Ohh Long Legs" and "Don't Leave Me Now". I believe that Troy Keyes is also Lenny O'Henry. I will stick my neck out here and say that Valli/Gaudio/Crewe might have gotten the idea for the falsetto lead from Daniel Cannon (O'Henry), because he worked in the 50s with Donnie Elbert, who was the first of the lead falsetto singers (for the doubters: listen to "Believe It Or Not" by Elbert. This was years ahead of "Sherry". Well, thats all for tonight for me!! I will continue with more in a few more days !! Mike Miller, doowopdaddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:59:58 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Sorry, more Lovey Kravezit! > This has to be one of our more bizarre threads but I'm afraid > I can't resist adding to it... Well then, I may as well add my 2 cents too... "Lovey Kravezit" was also recorded by The Bachelors -- everyone's favorite MOR trio from Ireland -- and released on their 1966 album "Bachelors' Girls" (every song on the LP had a different girl's name in the title). There's a priceless comment on the album's sleeve: "We don't apologize for including Miss Lovey Kravezit, Dean Martin's secretary in 'The Silencers.' She is the swinging crazy chick in our bevy of beauties. She affected us all very much, particularly Jimmy Page and his guitar solo." I wonder what exactly they meant by "affected"? ;-) Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:06:17 -0800 From: John Lang Subject: re: Four Seasons I agree: "Candy Girl" is just marvellous with that riveting electronic glissando. Also loved "Teardops" and their version of "Yes Sir, That's My Baby" from the first album ("Sherry", I think). John Lang -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:04:20 -0000 From: Cedric Subject: Re: Fading Yellow Kingsley Abbott wrote: > Now a question - the current RC reviews Vols 2&3 of compilations > called Fading Yellow on the Flower Machine label. They appear > to be US pop harmony from the late 60s (Vol 1 being UK stuff) > - they sound our sort of stuff - does anyone have them or know > where to get them?? I trawled around London today without > success. Someone please tell me more!! Hi Kingsley, I have all three volumes and they're fantastic! Actually there's no big difference between the US and the UK stuff: the selection here is pure (melancholic) pop psych. I don't think it qualifies for sunshine pop or even harmony pop but i'm sure you'll like it. To get them, the easiest way is to contact the man behind the project, a gentleman named Jörgen "JJ" Johansson at Happy new year from France! Cedric -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:41:04 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Re: Second Hand (Spector) Love Monophonius wrote: > There are questions about Spector's involvement with the Connie Francis > record (he did co-write it.) There are no producer credits on the label. > The track is never included on Spector compilations. I once read an interview > with Paul Case (Hill and Range publishers) who said Spector produced a > version of the song which Connie didn't like. It was too slow or something. > She then went to Nashville and got it cut using Owen Bradley's session > players (including Floyd Cramer). It sure sounds like it, but no one in > Nashville has ever said they played on the record or taken any credit for it > as arranger, engineer, etc. I read a Goldmine Interview with Connie and she said the same thing, so case closed. I talked to a Connie Francis expert a few years ago and ask if the Phil Spector version would ever be issued. He said probably not unless someone like Bear Family wants to include it on a set. Anybody out there with a demo to post to Spectropop? Phil obviously includes Second Hand Love because he wrote it, but it is not a Spector production. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:30:40 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Fading Yellow Kingsley Abbott wrote: > Now a question - the current RC reviews Vols 2&3 of compilations > called Fading Yellow on the Flower Machine label. They appear > to be US pop harmony from the late 60s (Vol 1 being UK stuff) > - they sound our sort of stuff - does anyone have them or know > where to get them?? I trawled around London today without > success. Someone please tell me more!! I have all three volumes. A co-member of another Yahoo group I'm on puts them out. I'm not sure I'd call the material "harmony" as in the Ripples brand of harmony pop... more soft/sunshine pop if I can, but for a brief moment, use those subjective terms. They are, for sure, excellent compilations of very obscure material. I prefer the first volume, being partial to UK sounds, but all three are worth getting if you are into that vague category of music called pop psych. Get them from the nice people at Freak Emporium: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:49:53 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: No Surfing Today I don't find the 4 Seasons' "No Surfing Today" among any of my CDs. Was it ever put on a CD. If not, can anyone play it to musica? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:55:36 -0000 From: Leonardo Flores Subject: Re: The 4 Seasons Yes, my favorite band has got to be the 4 Seasons and Bob Crewe group of people. First off I have to give major props to all the wonderful articles that the Yahoo 4 Seasons group as well as Ken Charmer and the official Unofficial 4 Seasons website as well as Mick Patrick and Mike Miller for having such wonderful record collections and well written articles about Crewe/ Valli and comapany. If you haven't read the Charles Calleo Article on the site, it is one of the finest interviews I've ever read on Rock and Roll! Thanks for keeping it alive! The world of Bob Crewe and the 4 Seaons is a monster to collect. The 50's Crewe/Slay material is still somewhat of a mystery to me as they did a ton of material. Between Bob Crewe's Labels alone (XYZ, Topix, Perri, Dynovox, Dynovoice (bell), New Voice, Dynovoice(Dot), Crewe, CGC and Maxwell) numbers in at 153 singles, that's 306 songs! That doesn't count the solo Crewe, 04 Seasons, Swan, Vee Vay, unreleased, "lost" records, LP's etc. Take a gander on BMI of the songs Crewe wrote, over 1000 listed. I always play a heavy set of Seasons and Crewe at Are you ready Now is still very popular with the Club. Maggie Thrett Soupy, the Invitations What's Wrong With Me Baby, Opus 17, the Pround One, The Night, give Her Up baby, are very popular and out here in LA I've one of the very few who spins these songs. I believe Bob Crewe/ 4 Sesaons were a very big influence on the Northern Soul sound. Quite funny I had a lot of these records before I even heard the Term Northern Soul and it was quite good that there so many other records with that "sound" I love so much. Valli was such a great singer of our times. He can sing anything and make it his own.....what a career! Cheers, Leonardo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:38:30 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: 4 Seasons Peter Lerner wrote: > My fave Seasons track? No question - "No Surfing Today". > It was the B-side of one of their 60s singles. Radio Caroline > (North) used to play it to death. Beautiful arrangement - > great vocals. "No Surfing Today" was the B-side of "Dawn", and a rebuttal to the Beach Boys LP track "Sufers Rule" (where they sing "4 Seasons, you better believe it"). Plus its another parody of the "death discs" (Tell Laura I Love Her, Last Kiss) that were popular at the time. (Frankie's "surfer girl" gets killed"). My personal favorite 4 Seasons B-side is "Huggin' My Pillow", recorded as a LP track for 1964's "Rag Doll" LP but later wound up as the B-side to 1966 "I've Got You Under My skin". If you look at the Seasons catalog its also amazing they didnt have any "flip hits" (though I have read "Connie-O" was a regional hit). Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 05:03:08 EST From: Ray Subject: Help required Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Phil Spector Masterpiece Vol 3 CD? A mini disc or cassette copy will do. I will buy or trade. Let me know at WINNIE1757@AOL.COM -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:36:20 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: 4 Seasons B-side hits Original Message from Billy G. Spradlin: > If you look at the Seasons catalog its also amazing they didnt have > any "flip hits" (though I have read "Connie-O" was a regional hit). Yo Billy, For the record, the following 4 Seasons B-sides all charted: Soon (I'll Be Home Again) - VJ, #77, 1963 Marlena - VJ, #36, 1963 That's The Only Way - VJ, #88, 1963 You're Nobody Till Somebody Loves You - Philips, #96, 1966 Something's On Her Mind - Philips, #98, 1969 Fabulous group, the 4 Seasons. MICK PATRICK (Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles 1955 - 1996 always at his side) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 05:24:01 EST From: David Bell Subject: Re: Second Hand (Spector) Love In the Bear Family box set, Kissin', Twistin', Goin' Where The Boys Are, which includes 2 versions of Second Hand Love, one a single track vocal and the other double tracked, the accompanying booklet says, "This Top 10 recording (it reached # 7), is alleged to feature either Spector or Floyd Cramer on piano and though Connie's vocals were laid at A & R (Studios in NYC), the backings, assumedly, were from Nashville." The sessionography lists the producer as Danny Davis. I'd love there to be a Phil Spector produced version of this song but I've never heard of one. Bear Family do a thorough job on their recordings and Richard Weize is meticulous at locating all tracks before issuing a box set. I have friends who work for Connie and they insist that no Phil Spector produced version has ever been found and that they doubt such a recording exists. Only 3 or 4 songs have never been found in the archives that Connie has recorded and she kept meticulous studio session notes of everything she ever did. Please, somebody, prove me wrong and find this alleged recording! David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:30:23 -0000 From: Stuart Miller Subject: Re: 4 Seasons websites Following the current thread regarding Frankie and the Boys, those who are interested may like to know of the following sites: - The Unofficially Official web fan site. The convoluted title is a reflection of the current difficulties in the relationship between the group and their fans. I would mention this one first as I co-own it with my partner Frank Rovello. We attempt to bring current news, tour information etc. as well as detailed discographies, old articles, photos, interviews, etc. The interview with Charlie Calello that Leonardo mentioned can be found on our site. Message posting board as well. Web site growing continuously. - The site mentioned by Martin Roberts and run by Chameleon and others, and also the group's longest serving presence on the web by far. Very strong on obscure articles, cuttings etc. as well as current input. A labour of love, they have managed to keep going despite some very adverse conditions at times. - A defunct web site but a fairly active message posting board. Worth a look-in. Martin - you mentioned "OK biographies" to be found on the web. We are currently in the process on our site of trying to write definitive biographies of all the principal players in the 4 Seasons history. This is not an easy process, is very slow going, and to do the job properly depends heavily upon the co-operation of the individuals concerned, as you might expect. We are getting there gradually and I hope the final results will be worth it. As an aside to this, the Seasons have had a intended Broadway musical of their life stories in the pipeline for some time now, but there are constant difficulties with scripts and so on. Stuart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:38:28 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show This Sunday 12th January 2003 on Soul 24-7 7pm-9pm GMT at: The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW, 02 solid hours of 60s, but mainly Northern, Soul. This week - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White. And as an added bonus this week - leading up to the Metropolitan Soul Show - Sunday from 4-7 GMT, three hours of Soul, Disco, Boogie and some other stuff from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Any requests before Sunday please. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:42:51 -0000 From: Barry Vaughan Subject: Holy Mackerel appeal Does anyone have the Holy Mackerel album for trade, or something? Desperate to hear it...Thanks! BV68 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:32:59 +0100 From: Hans Ket Subject: Story of Them > Had to use my casting vote with the Record of The Week and the > winner is...Them - I Am Waiting - Happy Tiger. Arranged by Mr. > Nitzsche, who knew how to arrange a Rolling Stones record! Thanks for the opportunity to listen to Them's "I'm waiting" for the first time in my life (It's a pity that last 25 seconds of this song seem to be missing). I think it's one of the convulsions of a band with a confusing history, but who recorded a lot of great R.& B classics (feat. Van Morrisson) some produced by Bert Berns. After Morrisson left, various "Thems" soldiered on releasing their products as "Them", "Belfast Gypsies" or "Freaks of Nature" depending in what country you bought your records. One of the lineups recorded a great "weird" freakbeat album in Skandinavia with producer Kim Fowley. This "Them" must be the American Connection specialising in "garage" and "psychedelica". Jack Nitzsche states: "Sometimes they put the name on both sides of the record, but that doesn't mean I did it" Does this suggest that Jack did remember arranging the other side (A side?) of this 45? Is this the same song as Charlie Rich's "Lonely weekends" also recorded by "George Bean" (1963) produced by Andrew Loog Oldham. May I suggest "Lonely weekends" as a candidate for one of the next "record of the week" at Jack Nitzsche At Spectropop? Hans Ket -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:13:03 -0500 From: Jack Madani Subject: Re: mastered backwards Phil Milstein writes: > "Pow-Wow", the mastered-backwards flip of the 1910 Fruitgum Co.'s > "Indian Giver", is a garage-pop version of "The Howdy Doody Theme". > I realize this may sound like an early (or late) April Fool's joke, > but it is the fact, Jack. Okay, Phil. Thanks for the update. But don't worry, I never doubted you. <:-B Kcaj. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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