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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Everlys
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. Re: < < < < Party Talk > > > >
           From: James Botticelli 
      3. Re: sly Sly/Everlys vs. Matt Helm
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: 4 Seasons' update
           From: Mike Edwards 
      5. Re: Remains, Ronettes, long oldies, r&b originals, more
           From: Country Paul 
      6. Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
           From: Mary 
      7. Re: Jive 5
           From: David Feldman 
      8. Re: Clinger Sisters / Johnny Cymbal
           From: Patrick Rands 
      9. Re: Watering down lyrics
           From: Frank 
     10. Re: Seasonal sounds
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     11. Re: sly Sly
           From: Simon White 
     12. Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:13:54 -0800 (PST)
   From: Steve Harvey 
Subject: Re: The Everlys

Paul:
> ...the horrendously punny and sexist "Lovey Kravezit", which even the EB's 
> couldn't save despite a valiant effort.

Dino, Don and Phil and a soundtrack couldn't make it a hit. I think somebody at 
Warner Bros. had the publishing rights and was determined to make money off it. 
Probably threatened to kill the Everlys' film career if they didn't do more 
tripe like it. Don and Phil opted to stick to music instead of films after that 
one.



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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:26:06 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: < < < < Party Talk > > > > Elisabeth's S'pop Party setlist: > It may be winter outside ('Nettes & Elisabeth) > Walking in the rain (Elisabeth) I'm wondering Elisabeth, have you ever considered covering Barry White's "Walking In The Rain (With The One I Love)" by Love Unlimited? Into "It May Be Winter Outside", both Love Unlimited and Felice Taylor's, then into "Walking In The Rain"? Just a thought... JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:30:14 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: sly Sly/Everlys vs. Matt Helm Simon White wrote: > Loathe as I am to impart this info....the A side, "Danse A La Musique", was a > Northern Soul play. Is that a French-language version of Dance To The Music, or something more sinister? Country Paul wrote: > Steve Harvey...the horrendously punny and sexist "Lovey Kravezit", which even > the Everlys couldn't save despite a valiant effort. Could either Steve or Paul clarify this reference a bit further? "Lovey Kravezit" was the surrogate Miss Moneypenny in Dean Martin's Matt Helm series. I'm curious to learn what the Everlys had to do with any of that. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:42:16 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: 4 Seasons' update Andrew Jones writes: > I don't know if any of the other Seasons were involved in this, but I have an > old promo 45 (on the Smash label!) of Frankie Valli, "You're Ready Now" > b/w "Cry for Me." Both sides are produced by Bob Crewe, Side A is written by > Crewe-Gaudio and Side B by Gaudio, and it sounds just like an average Four > Seasons single except that the background singers sound more like overdubbed > Frankie than the other Seasons. Andrew, thanks for putting this great 45 out there on Spectropop where it belongs. I always thought that girl session singers backed Frankie on this one. Released in 1966, it got to # 112 in the US and even lower in the UK. But it didn't rest there: "the great North West (of England) took it to heart and played it religiously every Saturday." It was reissued in the UK and "was arguably the first Northern 45 to chart based on regional demand": it reached # 11 in 1971. The quotes are from Kev Roberts' "Northern Soul Top 500" and he goes on to say that "in terms of real commercial Northern, this possibly is the forerunner of a generation, and although scorned by purists, if it were not for such sides the scene might never have flourished." Rex Strother writes: > Can anyone tell me ANYTHING about Kool Cad & The Tailfins? Sorry, Rex. Martin Roberts has cited some tracks on which the Seasons sang back-up and I have some questions: "Pollyanna" (not the Classics IV song). The Crewe-Gaudio song was recorded by John Corey on VJ in 1962 with the Seasons on back-up. Was this the same song as by Even Mitchell on Mala in 1963? Vic Thomas on US Philips "Down The Stream To The River" and "Napoleon Bonaparte" (both 1964). He was backed by the 4 Evers as you indicated. I have not heard the other titles you mention: Evan Mitchell "Dirty Lies"/" I'll Wait"; the Rays "Are You Happy Now"/"Bright Brown Eyes"; 4 Kings "One Night". (You know what's coming next). If it's not too much trouble could you play some of these to musica? They sound fabulous. Finally, I would urge all members to write in re: the 4 Seasons. After all everybody has a few favorite Seasons' songs, so let's start the New Year right (the New York Jets did). Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 02:05:12 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Remains, Ronettes, long oldies, r&b originals, more JB wrote: > Barry & The Remains are now reunited for touring purposes and were seen a > couple of years back on their Maiden Voyage right here in Boston. They sound > EXACTLY the same as their legendary Epic LP of 1966. The Remains did the first high-volume high-energy rock show I'd ever seen - at Brown University's Spring Weekend in '66. Why Do I Cry had been a huge campus hit, and the band lived up to every expectation - and then some. Still a memorable experience! Deena Canale, thanks for the great retelling of the "Murray The K's Dancing Girls" story. I've read both the Ronnie Spector book and the Wolfman Jack autobiography (found in a cut-out bin in hardcover for only $1.99!). Both are must reading for folks on this list. Wolfie was quite the character.... BTW, I went looking for the "Cousin Elaine" photos at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst and got an error message. Is there another URL, please? Bill Craig, "House of the Rising Sun" as mrequently played on oldies stations today does indeed have a full-volume ending after a fairly long organ ride. If I remember, that was the "original" album version. The same happened (stateside, at least) with the Fortunes' "You've Got Your Troubles" - a longer almost full-volume ending was "added" to the "oldies" ersion. Yet, "Penny Lane" by the Beatles had that wonderful soprano trumpet ride at the end of the original pressing, only to be lost on subsequent 45rpm pressings (and restored on the "Rarities" album). This could be an interesting thread - variants on the hit versions. Anyone? Special coolness points awarded for Mike Edwards citing Freddie Cannon's FGG-written "What's Gonna Happen When Summer's Done." By now most of you know the Chuck Barris (author of Cannon's "Palisades Park") alleged biographical movie, "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind," has been released. Has anyone seen it yet? Is it worthwhile? Dan Hughes, the "Love, Love" you're referring to was a pre-rock 1950's song properly titled "That's All I Want From You." (In my head I hear the Ames Brothers doing it, but I may well be wrong.) There was also a circa 1958 version, retitled "Chi Wa Wa" [sp?] after the vocal group's backing chant released on the black-label Argo [later Cadet] with an accordion (!) backing; it was a small hit, but I forget the name of the one-shot group. (Help, anyone?) John Rausch: "I Wanna Do It," covered by the Strangeloves, was originally by Bobby Comstock & The Counts, Lawn Records, 1963 (dist. by Swan). Great frat party toon! (BTW, never knew FGG were the Sheep. It got a couple of plays in Providence, RI without any "financial support"!) All this Strangeloves/Sloopy talk makes me think that an album of original r&b versions of songs that became garage classics would be kinda cool. The Vibrations' "Hang on Sloopy," The Olympics' "Good Lovin'," Cannibal & The Headhunters' "Land of 1000 Dances," the Marvelows' "I Do" and the Marathons' "Peanut Butter" would be good places to start. Not covered like the others but still wonderful additions would be the Vibrations' "The Watusi" and the Olympics' "Dance By The Light of the Moon." Dan Hughes: Power Records was owned by SPC, the Specialty Plastics Corporation, a record-pressing contractor as well as label owner. I seem to remember some reissues of hits by the original artists on the same label as well. Almost caught up - but MEGO, so I go. Country Paul (burning the 2am oil) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:26:47 -0000 From: Mary Subject: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown Does anyone know or heard of Standing in the Shadow of Motown? It's a Movie... thanks..Mary -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 04:04:41 -0500 From: David Feldman Subject: Re: Jive 5 Kingsley Abbott said: > On the Jive 5, I'd love to see their later UA material out on CD - I have > the "I'm A Happy Man" album, which has long been a fave - great songs - no > filler there...also a very good line up of the group, with an especially rich > bass voice on it. One of the later real true Doo Wop albums, but with > sixties production/songwriting /production values! And I love their 1982 album, "Here We Are," on Ambient Sound (distributed by CBS), part of a series in which doo-wop groups tackled new and old material. I assume none of the albums in this series (the other particularly strong ones were the Harptones and the Capris) ever made it to CD. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:43:49 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Clinger Sisters / Johnny Cymbal I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I am trying to find a copy of the following Clinger Sisters 45 on Jo-Bee Records: Clinger Sisters Jo-Bee 1002 - A side: Bread and Butter; B side: ? I believe this 45 came out sometime around 1965-1966. I am also trying to locate copies of the following songs written by Peggy Clinger and Johnny Cymbal. Johnny Cymbal released a lot of music under many different aliases like: Derek / Milk / Taurus / Simonshy / Dallas / American Machine / Eye-Full Tower / Brother John I have been finding that he has sprinkled Cymbal-Clinger compositions on some of these releases. These are the tunes that I am looking for, for which I do not know the artists: All songs by PEGGY CLINGER/JOHNNY CYMBAL: * FEED ME * FLUFF * HEADS OR TAILS * ME LOVING YOU * ONE MORE MILE * PICTURES (aka PICTURE YOU PICTURE ME) * SOMETHING TO BELIEVE * STANDIN IN THE NEED OF LOVE * VOO DOO WOMAN * YOU BETTER THINK IT OVER If you have any information on these songs or have copies of these songs please let me know! :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:44:38 +0100 From: Frank Subject: Re: Watering down lyrics I guess you got a point, Richard, though I still feel that most of the pop hits from the 50's and 60's were ridiculously adapted in French. The advice to "Shop Around" (The Miracles) became an advice not to Shop Around. "(Girls) Were Made To Love" became stay faithful and don't look at all the girls... and so on. The idea was to make those lyrics as politically correct as possible. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:46:03 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Re: Seasonal sounds I seem to recall that the Seasons are on Scott Oberle's "Cupid's Poison Dart" - certainly sounds like it. Other Season soundalikes faves of mine include: Be My Girl - 04 Evers (anything of theirs is great) You're My Girl - Rising Sons She's My Girl - Coastliners Wait A Minute - Tim Tam & Turn Ons Arlene - Four Winds Cold & Frosty Morning - Concords Summer's Gone - Wild Things Baby Toys- Victorians (Massi's post 4S project) April - Rip Tides Cry Baby Boy - In Crowd Michelle - Dahills Playgirl - 04 Winds Give My Love A Chance - Deltas plus the Gaudio produced 70s Beverly Hills Blues Band's "Just Because"...plus the recently discussed 4S soundalikes CD that emerged. I hear talk of a Rhino 4S box set sometime soon - long overdue, but probably won't have too many unreleased songs simply as there were very few that weren't used at the time...shame! Kingsley PS re Spector/Pet Sounds influences...whilst Phil certainly influenced Brian massively and gave him some of his instrumental combinations notions, I would argue strongly that Brian's personal soundscape journey can be traced from as far back as Lana and Farmer's Daughter on the second BB album, thru to side two of the BB's "Today" album For real "Pet Sounds" in the making check out the amazing track to Glen Campbell's "Guess I'm Dumb" (recorded Oct 14th 1964) where almost all the PS combinations are being worked along with the Burt B influences which are at least as strong as Phil. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:13:45 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: sly Sly Phil Milstein wrote: > ..."Danse A La Musique"...Is that a French-language version of Dance To The > Music, or something more sinister? I cannot begin to describe it! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:41:59 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown Mary asked: > Does anyone know or heard of Standing in the Shadow of Motown? > It's a Movie... Hi Mary, This movie was the talk of S'pop some weeks ago. A gang of us went to see it in London. I searched the Forum Archives to find something for you to read. To read. Visit the URL below to see some of the results. It might also be worth searching for "Motown Documentary", "Funk Brothers" or "London Film Festival": http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=3139029a15576827&query=standing+in+the+shadows+of+motown The Spectropop site has an excellent search facility, I find. Click below and try it: http://www.spectropop.com/archive/index.html MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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