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Spectropop - Digest Number 723

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
           From: Martin Roberts 
      2. Re: Toni Wine, Leslie Miller and Ellie Greenwich
           From: Stuffed Animal 
      3. Walking In A Winter Wonderland
           From: Martin Roberts 
      4. Re: Satisfaction etc
           From: James Botticelli 
      5. Re: Carrie Nations
           From: Paul Richards 
      6. Re: Everlys' two-fers
           From: Andrew Sandoval 
      7. Estelle and Nedra of the Ronettes
           From: Sean 
      8. At The Movies With Jack Nitzsche
           From: Martin Roberts 
      9. Oldies CDs
           From: Mike Edwards 
     10. Re: Satisfaction etc
           From: Alec Harvey 
     11. Re: Elvis covers - Burnin' Love
           From: Roger 
     12. Ronettes on tour with the Beatles
           From: Energy B 
     13. Re: The harmonica and the Beatles
           From: Richard Williams 
     14. Plagiarize it again Sam!
           From: Phil Chapman 


Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:38:32 -0000
   From: Martin Roberts 
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop

Jack Nitzsche's "Rumble" is the first winner of The Battle Of The 
Nitzsches and is the current Record of the Week now playing at: For those who don't 
know the track, it's a great gift for Christmas. Continuing the heads 
you win, tails you win theme, next week's choice is between Guy 
Mitchell and Jamie Horton. Phil C, has worked his Christmas magic on 
the latest Jingle, No.8 (Adventure), which is now available to hear 
on the Radio page.


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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:42:08 +0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Re: Toni Wine, Leslie Miller and Ellie Greenwich Mick Patrick: > In the very early 1970s, Toni Wine and Ellie Greenwich co-> wrote > two excellent songs for the Rock Flowers; "Gettin' Together" and > "If You Loved Me Once". Ellie subsequently recorded her own > versions of both on her "Let It Be Written, Let It Be Sung" LP on > Verve. But who sang the original demo versions, Toni or Ellie? Did > the two ladies collaborate on any other songs? And is it true that > they sang backups together on "Candida" and "Knock Three Times" by > Dawn? Oh, to have been there! Allan Rinde: > As Toni remembers it, neither of these two songs were written with > the Rock Flowers in mind. "Gettin' Together," in fact, was written > for a potential TV show of the same name. They also wrote one other > tune, "The Palmist," which Toni thinks Ellie recorded, although it's > not on either her Verve album or her UA album. Both of these LPs, > along with three bonus tracks, were reissued on one CD by Raven > Records of Australia in 1999 [ ] > which is still in print. If the exchange rate still holds, you can > probably order it cheaper (including shipping) direct from Raven. > Toni sang the demos for these songs. As for Dawn, the backgrounds for > Candida and the entire first album were done by Toni, Jay Seigel of > the Tokens, and Robin Greon. Tony Orlando has gone on record as saying Ellie Greenwich sang backups on "Candida" and "Knock Three Times" with Toni Wine (this was before Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent were hired as his onstage partners). However, Ellie has said she doesn't remember doing this session. Rumor has it that Toni is actually singing the backgrounds with Leslie Miller. I wonder if people have been confusing Leslie with Ellie in some cases? Leslie also sang background on some Archies recording dates, something Miss Ellie has also (erroneously) been credited with. Stuff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:39:22 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Walking In A Winter Wonderland Guess this deserves a mention; one of the 'funny' papers, The Sunday Express gave over the cover of it's S:2 magazine to Phil Spector, The ic is Phil in his Santa suit, same shoot, different pic, to the one on the S'pop members page. The caption reads 'Exclusive interview', "Walking In A Winter Wonderland; PHIL SPECTOR; The Recluse Who Made Christmas Rock". Inside a two page spread, the usual pics, Ronettes, Crystals, Phil behind the Gold Star mixing desk, etc. The interview by Chris Goodman is fairly pointless, Phil coming over as pretentious and arrogant with Chris displaying mock outrage at Phil's behavior. Good to have Phil Spector getting this attention though. How is the Christmas LP doing sales wise? Anyone keep up with the pop charts? Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:28:44 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Satisfaction etc Jeff Lemlich wrote: > An argument can also be made about the influence of "It's The Same > Old Song" on the Stones' "Under My Thumb"... Add "Black Is Black"...that particular combination of notes is the essence of garage rock IMHO -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:03:41 EST From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Carrie Nations Stu Phillips' autobiography 'Stu Who?' is a great read, with fascinating chapters on the Carrie Nations, Colpix, The Marcels, Battlestar Galactica etc. Paul (Admin Note: Stu Phillips has a Spectropop page devoted to him: - The spectropop Team) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:56:01 EST From: Andrew Sandoval Subject: Re: Everlys' two-fers The next Everlys sets are mastered but the artwork is not done and there are no dates scheduled. The Kentucky shop will take your money and hold it, but what's the point? They won't get the product to you any sooner than any other shop. andrew sandoval -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:08:33 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Estelle and Nedra of the Ronettes Does anyone know the complete list of songs that Estelle and Nedra sang on out of the Ronettes and Crystals songs? So far the only ones I know are... (with Ronettes) 1. Be My Baby 2. Why Don't they let us fall in love 3. I Wonder 4. Do I Love You 5. You Baby 6. How Does It Feel 7. You're My Everything (with Crystals) 1. Mashed Potato Time (Estelle) 2. Parade of the Wooden Soldiers (Nedra) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:59:51 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: At The Movies With Jack Nitzsche One of the biggest lines of questions I get sent about Jack Nitzsche is his film music. I'm far removed from being a film buff and wonder if other 'poppers might be able to help with the latest couple of questions I've received: 1. 9 Weeks - Has any of Jack's music from this been released and what is the name of the piece that repeats throughout the movie? 2. Streets Of Gold - Main theme title? [I'd guess Streets Of Gold!] There are some great music scores on some of Jack's films and I've plans for a 'movie' "Battle of the Nitzsches' coming soon. Watch this space! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:28:37 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Oldies CDs Has anybody noticed the slowdown in the release rate of oldies' CDs by the big companies, particularly in the US? In the early 90s the big companies set up labels for oldies, such as: EMI Legendary Masters' Series Polygram/Mercury Chronicles Sony Legacy Warner-Reprise Achive. We had some great releases (and probably none finer than the Mercury double CD girl-group compilation) but they seem to have dried up. This seems strange given that companies can easily find their niche markets cheaply by means of the Internet. It appears as if label bosses prefer to lease their product to specialist oldies' labels such as Rhino and Collectables. How successful has this been? I haven't purchased a Rhino CD in years and don't tend to regard them as an oldies' label any more. Collectables seem to have a basic disregard for their audience their releases are threadbare in terms of track selection and packaging. They also seem to limit themselves to doo-wop. Other labels such as Sundazed, Taragon and Varese Saraband do a better job but even they do not put out compilation CDs and their release schedules are pretty thin. The UK has come to our aid with Ace/Kent releasing some excellent recent compilation CDs (Golden Age Of American Rock N Roll, Where The Girls Are etc). See For Miles, Sequel, Westside and RPM are others that have pitched in but they tend to concentrate on one artist or the independent US labels such as Roulette. My point is that big labels such as Capitol, Reprise, Liberty, UA, Columbia and Mercury have back 45 catalogs brimming with surf, girl- group and garage rock items and I see no attempt to put these out on CD. As the years go by and the baby boomers join that big 45 maker in the sky you wonder if these 45s will ever see the light of day. Well, a New Year brings new releases, so we can hope! Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:53:36 -0000 From: Alec Harvey Subject: Re: Satisfaction etc And isn't the Stones' "Under Assistant West Coast Promo Man" really Buster Brown's "Fanny Mae" with different words? The only reason I can think of that the composers of "Fanny Mae" wouldn't get a songwriting credit would be if "Fanny Mae" is a version of some in-the-public-domain blues song - who knows? The Stones apparently performed "Fanny Mae" too. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:12:36 -0000 From: Roger Subject: Re: Elvis covers - Burnin' Love Phil Milstein wrote: > ..."Burning Love"...Arthur Alexander's version...Is this > musica-able? Phil, Arthur Alexander's version is on the "Rainbow Road - The Complete Warner Brother Recordings" CD that came out in the mid '90s. Not sure if its still in print, but fairly easy to find. I can try to play the original version by Dennis Linde, the guy who wrote it, to musica if you're interested? Roger -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: Energy B Subject: Ronettes on tour with the Beatles According to Ronnie's biography, her cousin Elaine filled on for her during the Ronettes 1966 Tour with the Beatles. Are there any live or promotional shots from that time in existence showing Elaine as part of the group? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:40:53 +0000 From: Richard Williams Subject: Re: The harmonica and the Beatles Re the original post: I believe that would be Max Geldray, not Geldred, who played on The Goon Show. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:24:22 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Plagiarize it again Sam! [from my two penn'orth] > > was ALO who played The Supremes' "My World Is Empty > > Without You" to Mick & Keith in order to 'influence' the > > writing of their next hit "Paint It Black"............. Seems it's still an 'influence' on some: Currently being played on the radio here in the UK is a track called "Dreaming Of You" by The Coral. Every time I hear it, I just can't help singing along with "My World Is Empty Without You", it fits so well. It can't be played to musica, but is available as a mobile phone ringtone at I read somewhere that MWIEWY was Motown's first foray into two-bar rhythm patterns, and that Phil (or Jack) had this in mind when working on the arrangement of "River Deep...". The early session takes appear to bear that out. JB: > Add "Black Is Black"...that particular combination of notes is > the essence of garage rock IMHO I've always paired those: "Under My Thumb" reflects "It's The Same Old Song", "Black Is Black" refers to "I Can't Help Myself". As they say, it's made round to go round. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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