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Spectropop - Digest Number 720

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Toni Wine & Ellie Greenwich
           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Re: Matt Monro
           From: Mike Edwards 
      3. Re: nrbq / softly / teacho
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: music & emotions revisited
           From: Nick Archer 
      5. Re: Girls Who Wear Glasses
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: Condello, Bobby Paris, radio,  Petty Booka, Philadelphia stuff
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Re: Elvis covers
           From: Eddy Smit 
      8. Re: Carrie Nations
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      9. re: The Shaggy Boys
           From: colorcoat 
     10. Re: Lovin' Spoonfuls
           From: Martin Roberts 
     11. Best Version of Santa Claus is Coming to Town
           From: Mark Frumento 
     12. Re: more everlys... and my Christmas review... sorta
           From: albabe 
     13. Re: Elvis covers
           From: Phil Milstein 
     14. ecology finale
           From: Erik 
     15. Cleverly
           From: Steve Harvey 
     16. Re: Toni Wine & Ellie Greenwich
           From: James Botticelli 
     17. The Much Missed "Gob Harp"
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     18. Paris Sisters on Cavalier
           From: Phil Milstein 
     19. Re: nrbq / softly / teacho
           From: James Botticelli 
     20. seasons greetings
           From: Alan Gordon 
     21. Re: The Arock - Sylvia Soul Story CD
           From: Mike Edwards 
     22. Re: The harmonica and the Beatles
           From: Steve Harvey 
     23. A Stereo Gift For You
           From: Jack Madani 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:54:31 -0000
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: Toni Wine & Ellie Greenwich

Questions, questions!

In the very early 1970s, Toni Wine and Ellie Greenwich co-
wrote two excellent songs for the Rock Flowers; "Gettin' 
Together" and "If You Loved Me Once". Ellie subsequently 
recorded her own versions of both on her "Let It Be Written, 
Let It Be Sung" LP on Verve. But who sang the original demo 
versions, Toni or Ellie? Did the two ladies collaborate on 
any other songs? And is it true that they sang backups 
together on "Candida" and "Knock Three Times" by Dawn? Oh, 
to have been there!


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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:20 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Matt Monro Peter Lerner writes: > ...the background music was Matt Monro's "Softly as I leave you". > Never a track I liked ..... until now" Very good observation, Peter. I didn't see the TV show but I know and like this song. George Martin produced it and the orchestra was conducted by Johnnie Spence (US release was Liberty 55725). It was covered in the US in 1964 by none less than Frank Sinatra who also used the song as the title track for an album in the same year. I have heard it said that Matt was the British Sinatra, but on this track he leaves the "guvnor" standing. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:53:53 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: nrbq / softly / teacho Matt Conway wrote: > ...are we taling Joey Spampinato of NRBQ fame? Joey Spampinato (under his original NRBQ name of Jody St. Nicholas) indeed plays on both sides of The Dickens 45. However he was not an official member of the group. Peter Lerner wrote: > another, without dialogue, the background music was Matt > Monro's "Softly as I leave you". Never a track I liked > ..... until now. The juxtaposition of visuals and music > was worthy of the best movie directors - in my humble > opinion anyway. If I'm conjuring it accurately, Goulet's was the biggest version of that song in the U.S. I think of him as the ultimate lounge singer (as differentiated from Sinatra's self-described saloon singer) and "Softly ..." one of his ultimate performances. On yet another matter, I noticed in reading Toni Wine's brief bio at her website this past week that she had been discovered by Teacho Wiltshire. As I and a few others had shown some interest in Teacho here recently, I'd like to ask Allan Rinde if he could ask Toni to elucidate a bit further on him. We've logged a fair amount of his professional credentials, but have learned little about him personally. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:10:33 -0600 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: music & emotions revisited I was just out driving and heard the Poppy Family, "Another Year, Another Day" ON THE RADIO. Not commercial radio, of course, but the Vanderbilt University station WRVU. A great song with a Christmas touch. I guess miracles do still happen. Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:24:45 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Girls Who Wear Glasses Phil Milstein wrote: > Were there both British and American Girls With Glasses? And even more importantly, did guys make passes? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:01:50 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Condello, Bobby Paris, radio, Petty Booka, Philadelphia stuff Roland, thank you for the Condello info. I vaguely remember some Hub Kapp & the Wheels records crossing my desk in the past, but nothing about them. Also, Simon White, many thanks for the Bobby Paris link. I had no idea he was Puerto Rican - the Chattahoochie 45 is total sunshine pop to my ears, nowhere near the soul sound of his other work, which I am not familiar with. Read the WPTR radio post with interest; yes, they were a northeast powerhouse. If you're interested in radio, traces the history of WDRC, Hartford, a 50's-through-70's regional powerhouse. There's also a page on crosstown rival, WPOP, the perennielly underpowered-but-spunky competitor. There's lots more radio stuff, including extensive airchecks (even a couple of mine!) at the site's creator's home website, (Tell webmaster Ed Brouder that Country Paul sent you!) I just received Petty Booka's "Summer Breeze" CD from the Benten label in Japan; there are a couple of nice tracks on it, especially the one I previously knew, the exquisitely delicate "I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend" (yes the Ramones composition, but totally reinvented). The CD needs more listening; there's more going on than first hearing reveals. Also, I spoke to list member Frank Lipsius at Jamie/Guyden, and am looking forward to the "Twang Gang" CD of Lee Hazlewood productions on J/G.. Check the discographies at to see what these prolific labels released and distributed. Between J/G, Cameo/Parkway and Chancellor, the music world revovled around Philadelphia quite extensively in the 50's and 60's. Speaking of Philadelphia, I ment a fellow today, probably about 60 or so, via mutual friends who was one of the early "regulars" in the dancing contingent on American Bandstand. I'd rather not share his name because I didn't get permission, but he's definitely the real deal. It's hard to remember, even if one was alive at the time, but when the show was starting, it was a pretty radical thing, and the "regulars" were a closely-watched club in certain circles. Since I'm off for a week, and I'm still not caught up on all the posts of the past two weeks, please tolerate my late-to-the-party comments after the holidays. May Santa smile upon all of you, and we'll continue this is 2003 - hopefully with a NYC Spectro-party, too! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:37:12 +0100 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Elvis covers Erik R. Bluhm: > Didn't Frijid Pink do Heartbreak Hotel as well? John Cale did an incredible version of it on his Slow dazzle album. Steve Harvey: > Now who did "Burning Love" first, Elvis or Arthur Alexander? Arthur Alexander's version was released before Elvis'. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:05:08 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: Carrie Nations The "Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls" soundtrack is also essential for the always excellent Strawberry Alarm Clock and the Sandpipers beautiful theme tune - a really soft slice of soft pop. Obviously this album is well overdue a reissue - it's not surprising that bootlegs of it and things like "Barbarella" have been knocking about for years. I just hope that when it does, someone makes the effort to include some of the superb incidental music (presumably by Stu Phillips) that didn't make the original album. All the Best, Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:45:08 -0700 From: colorcoat Subject: re: The Shaggy Boys From: Andrew Jones > I have before me one of my most recent vinyl acquisitions: a United > Artists promo 45 of "Behind Those Stained Glass Windows" by The Shaggy > Boys. I have not been able to find out any more about this group, but > the song is written by T. Michaels and V. Gorman (the same guys who > helped write the Shangri-Las' "Dressed In Black," I presume) and > produced by Michaels, Gorman and Morton (Shadow, I presume). Anyone know > anything about this group or this record? Were the Shaggy Boys just a > nom-de-disc for Michaels & Gorman (and maybe Morton, too)? Thanks. I posted an inquiry about the Shaggy Boys to the Garage66 Yahoo list back in 2001. Hope the following thread helps puts some of the missing pieces together on this band. Ted from myself: Earlier today, I went and saw Dennis Miccolis (the original keyboard player of the Buckinghams) and his band perform "good time-great oldies" at a desert casino about 15 miles south of Phoenix. Between sets, I was speaking with the lead singer Vinnie and he mentioned he was in a mid-60s band called the Shaggy Boys (and also a later incarnation of Spiral Starecase). He said the Shaggy Boys had some singles on Kama Sutra and an album released by Mercury. According to Vinnie, they were part of the Long Island, NY scene along with the Young Rascals and Vagrants. Between the casino clang, he mentioned something about Wes Farrell and how they almost had a shot at "Good Lovin'" before the Young Rascals made it famous. Jeff Lemlich responded: I'm aware of two singles by the Shaggy Boys. One (on United Artists) is titled "Behind These Stained Glass Windows" and is more baroque-pop than garage, but not wimpy. Really gorgeous in a Tokens kind of way (the late60s "Intercourse" era Tokens, not the early 60s "Lion Sleeps Tonight" period). I've seen another Shaggy Boys single, I believe on Red Bird, which may have been a Kama Sutra production (although not actually appearing on that prolific label). I'm not aware of an album by them, but I'm more of a singles guy, so I can't say with certainty about that. and then Tony "The Tyger" Sanchez replied: Yeah Jeff, I have that one on Red Bird. I think it's called "Stop the Clock", I 'd have to dig it up to make sure. It's just standard Brit invasion sounds but more on the pop side, nothing too special. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:52:18 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: Lovin' Spoonfuls Made it, still in time to add to the Spoonful's covers; The Duprees had a back to back release on Columbia 43802, "Didn't Want To Have To Do It' wr Sebastian and "It's Not Time Now" wr Sebastian & Yanovsky. All the Dupreees Columbia's were Karma-Sutra Productions; wonder if this influenced the choice of song writers?! 'Names' to be found on their Columbia releases include Ripp, Butler, Melrose, Butler, Sherman etc. in the main the music/vocals continue their very pleasant vocal harmony style from the Coed label days. The one side to contain that extra sparkle is a wonderful Drifters - Jay/Americans inspired track "Around The Corner", also on Columbia wr. Randazzo-Weinstein-Hart-Mershel-Barberis, arr.& cond. Sherman, pr. Ripp. Martin P.S. Just got my PC back from the repair shop, all but my email is working fine, so apologies if I've not replied to any letters I haven't read yet! Until I can get this sorted I'll be using another server. Happy Christmas! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:17:32 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Best Version of Santa Claus is Coming to Town I've really thought about this but I've come to the conclusion that The Four Seasons may just be on top here. I'm sure there is a lot of Spector/Crystals bias but its a close call for me. Can anyone else throw their two cents in? There has to be another classic version. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:24:10 -0800 From: albabe Subject: Re: more everlys... and my Christmas review... sorta Steve Harvey: > Both Sides of An Evening I always thought was their weakest. Sure sounds great to me... but then, IMHO, they sing like a couple of friggin' (can I say that in here?) birds no matter what they do. > There has been nothing new in that series so I'm beginning to wonder > if they have stopped it. I hope not. The digital transfers sound very clear and full, and the liner notes are quite nice. Great package. > The ones you want are In Our Own Image and Two Yanks In England. I'm with you 100% on half of that comment. Only half because I haven't heard the "In Our Own Image" album. "Two Yanks..." is a fantastic album. I have a tape of that one that a friend made me a few years ago. Amazing arrangements. > Wish they'd put out The New Album. I haven't heard that one. What period is it from. Thank you very much for your knowledgeable imput, Steve. There's some interesting info in the liner notes of the German 2fers. They basically say that Don started his depression period right around the time of their fourth album on WB, and was only half hearted in his efforts for some time after that. I still like it a lot. As an aside (and a very short review): I love finding "ancient" material that I never heard while growing up, from those musical people I liked in my long past youth. As an example, The Rascals box set from Rhino is fantastic. I've always loved their singles, but I was too involved with all that "free-form" hippie peace rock, folk and jazz stuff to give them serious contemplation. The box set is a bit redundant in that it has the best of the Rascals stuck in amidst the playing order, which is otherwise included in the separate albums. The music is fabulous. The songs are inventive, and for the most part, very tightly arranged. Blue-eyed soul before it was considered as such... i think. I heartfully recommend it to any one that may have missed it, but loves Hall & oates. happy holliDAZE, albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:31:21 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Elvis covers > > Now who did "Burning Love" first, Elvis or Arthur Alexander? > Arthur Alexander's version was released before Elvis'. Is this musica-able? If so, is there someone who can come across with it? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:57:47 -0000 From: Erik Subject: ecology finale Thanks to everyone who came up with ecolgy song ideas. I've put together quite a few good ones along with some timely sound bytes. I still need help finding the following tracks. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Erik Cuff Links - Mr. Big Nilsson - The Most Beautiful World in The World, Pretty soon There'll be nothing left Quicksilver - Fresh Air 5 Man Electrical Band - I'm A Stranger Here Brady Bunch - We Can Make The World A Whole Lot Brighter Steve Forbert - Good Planets Are Hard To Find David Ackles - Subway To The Country Albert Hammond - Down By The River Verdelle Smith - Tar And Cement Jack Traylor - (any ecology songs) Danny Holien - (any ecology songs) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Cleverly Alan, Yeah, I'd like the [Everlys] 2fers to continue, but it's been at least a year since the last one came out. You're in for a treat if you've never heard "In Our Own Image". Pretty solid tunes selection throughout. It was released within three months of "Two Yanks..." as well. The New Album was released only in 1977 in the UK and was unreleased material, sounds like mid to late 60s. There was another album called "Nice Fellas", or something like that, on Magnum in the UK, and was unreleased tunes too. I agree, the boys could sing whatever and make it sound great. However, they were signed to Warner Bros. not only as a recording act, but as actors too. "Both Sides....." always sounded like Warner Bros. were prepping them for doing soundtrack. Love Karvitz was a tune that Warner Bros. must have owned the rights and was pushing big time. Dean Martin did a version and it was on one soundtrack at least. They have released their early country LP which has the great "This Is the Last Song", I think Sonny Curtis wrote it. However, that is the same price as the 2fer and only has a couple of 'bonus' cuts which were released legit elsewhere. They did two LPs of covers of soul and early rock stuff, in the 6ts. One, I think it was "Oh Boy", has the same damn intro that would later appear on the "Last Train To Clarksville". Somebody in the Monkees camp must have been an Everly fan. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:48:02 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Toni Wine & Ellie Greenwich Mick Patrick wrote: > In the very early 1970s, Toni Wine and Ellie Greenwich co- > wrote two excellent songs for the Rock Flowers; "Gettin' > Together" and "If You Loved Me Once". I've never heard either, unless the "Gettin' Together" was a reworked Tommy James, but instinct tells me that YES, these are probably great. And BTW the A-Rock/Sylvia comp you were in on. It's Big City Castenetia! BTW, do you have a day gig?~! Jimmy Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:56:59 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: The Much Missed "Gob Harp" Whilst listening to The Beatles 1st album "Please Please Me", I began to wonder where the idea for using a harmonica (mouth-organ) came from. Did The Beatles ever use one pre "Love Me Do" on live performances, or was it something that came up in the studio? I have heard differing stories of why Lennon picked the instrument up, one was after hearing Bruce Channel's "Hey Baby", another that they liked the playing of Max Geldred, a harmonica player on a radio comedy show called "The Goons". The harmonica seemed to be very popular around 1962/64, not just as a blues instrument or a Dylan attachment. So here's a small list of tunes where the mouth-organ plays its part. Love Me Do ----------------------------- The Beatles Please Please Me ----------------------- The Beatles From Me To You ------------------------- The Beatles I Remember You ------------------------- Frank Ifield Hey Baby ------------------------------- Bruce Channel Laugh Laugh ---------------------------- Beau Brummels Island Of Dreams ----------------------- Springfields How Can I Meet Her --------------------- Everly Bros Sealed With A Kiss --------------------- Brian Hyland If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody --- James Ray Please feel free to add to this list. Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:37:17 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Paris Sisters on Cavalier Now playing at musica, "Zorch Boogie" by The Paris Sisters (Cavalier 828), the flip (or vice versa) of last week's "The Bully Bully Man". The lyrics of both were based on Red Blanchard's radio humor show, which was a huge hit in the Bay Area in the mid-'50s, especially with the kiddie set. Happy listening, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:43:11 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: nrbq / softly / teacho Phil Milstein wrote: > Goulet.... I think of him as the ultimate lounge singer I'd submit Wayne Newton and Dean Martin...and Jack Jones a distant second. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:33:08 -0800 From: Alan Gordon Subject: seasons greetings I heard that, with all the cheer and sober-thinking this world could use right now, Santa has enlisted some extra-able aid for this year's giving. The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy and even Fred the patron saint of San Francisco city-parking has come out of retirement to give Saint Nick a very needed hand. So don't be surprised to find a presents in the strangest places under your pillow, being a good place to start. I just wanted to thank everyone that's associated with this group. What with all the requisite and superfluous duties of life, this is a very special place to hang out. It may not be the bar where "everybody knows your name..." but it's pretty darn close for me. Because I feel close to you folks, even though I only know one of you by face, I wanted to share a little remembrance from my ancient past. This was a typically moonstruck stream-of-conscious-ness that I wrote in my diary. I use the word "share" with a very 50's/60's inclination as opposed to the more politically correct 80's/90's solipsism. I hope this isn't presumptuous of me. I'm a recovering catholic (cathliholic), so, besides the manic frenzy of consumerism that permeates our "entitled" culture, the holiday season still has lots of cool childhood and adolescent memories for me. The midnight mass in a dark church with all the back-lit tacky but beautiful 1950's stained glass, glowing from the beaming headlights of the arriving cars just outside the church; in the grainy wooden vestibule, hundreds of candles lighting the arriving patrons from waist level, like those old horror movies, adding an almost spooky quality to people's faces; the priests in their colorful and metallic-fibered robes, appearing like primitive but lofty alchemists, and the alterboys in their requisite black garb, both looking like pagan ritualists; the stations of the cross, signifying one of the many sad processions in the history of man's idiotic, fearful, ignorant behavior; and the Latin which I personally think is the coolest part being recited like ancient magical incantations praying for understanding in a better world. It now seems so wiccan-ish witch-pagan-like cool. I think the Solstice is a wonderful holiday (read: full of wonder). I can only imagine with incredible awe, early man realizing on this day so many years ago, that this oncoming freeze was not the end of the world. The guy who envisioned that winter was just part of a bigger repeating sequence of events, had figured out a truly amazing thing: The cycle of life on Earth. December 21rst is the day that, anything just short of a global Armageddon, is the bench-mark, the "been-running-up-this-damn-hill-and- am-just-about-to-go-over-the-summit" point where the days will now inch themselves the tiniest bit ahead to the day that is just slightly longer than the day before. December 22nd is the first day in 6 long months that the daylight hours, rather than losing a little precious nurturing sunlight every day, start making that small step forward to longer days. Just a minute increment in this world-wide amazing cycle towards the time when the days get even longer and warmer, the flowers bloom vibrant warm color in a fertile land, the crops grow prodigal once again, and fruit fill the trees and bellies of ancient man. Life goes on. Safe holidays. peace, Al Babe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:23:50 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: The Arock - Sylvia Soul Story CD Jimmy Botticelli writes: > BTW the A-Rock/Sylvia comp you were in on. It's Big > City Castenetia! Indeed it is, Jimmy. At last we get super CD quality versions of: Tutti Hill - "He's A Lover", and Garret Sunders "A Day Or Two" Great uptown R&B, but that's not all. When the compilers were going through the tape boxes they pulled out a plum: Junior Lewis' "Which Way". This was not released nor were any of Junior's Arcock/Sylvia recordings. He picked up his, albeit small, fan base from "Forty Days And Forty Nights" (Columbia, 1962) and "Where Do I Go From Here" (Scepter, 1964). "Which Way" has already been played twice on the Popcorn Oldies' Show and I cannot tell you how good it is to hear this coming out of the speakers. It is already testing well in Belgian markets but then they know a thing or two about early 60s R&B. Mike Edwards [Check out: The Arock-Sylvia Soul Story, UK Kent, CDKEND 212] -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: The harmonica and the Beatles I think in Hunter Davies' book from '68 he mentions Lennon getting a mouth harp from a bus conductor as a kid. Delbert McClinton was the harmonica player for Bruce Channel and they did meet the Beatles on tour in England. I'm sure "Hey Baby" had something to do with the inclusion of the harmonica. I remember Paul talking about how they were looking for next big sound, calypso now fading away, and decided that it would be something with a harmonica. I think "Please Please Me" had a guitar intro until George Martin rearranged it and wanted it to start with harmonica. However, it might have been another early tune from that same era. Just heard that story last Saturday. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:15:15 -0500 From: Jack Madani Subject: A Stereo Gift For You Sitting here with my foot swathed in bandages and only mildly aching. Surgery a success! But the doctor wouldn't bite when I asked him if I would be able to play the violin after the operation..... Anyhoo, will be getting back to the spectropop digests in a few more days. Meantime, playing at musica is a Christmas Gift For You--in stereo. As if you all don't already have it. Peace on earth, or as the Red Baron said to Snoopy, Merry Christmas, Mein Friend! Jack -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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