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Spectropop - Digest Number 713



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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Christmas song?/Quoting everybody
           From: Javed Jafri 
      2. Re: "Just Another Guy"
           From: Lindsay Martin 
      3. Craig Douglas, Forrester,Hayride,  more
           From: Country Paul 
      4. Castanets; Y & the Castanettes
           From: Mike Edwards 
      5. Darlene Love
           From: Scott 
      6. Battle Of The Bands: Cliff vs The Times
           From: Mike Edwards 
      7. Re: Quotes
           From: Richard Willliams 
      8. The Times / Just Another Guy
           From: Norman 
      9. RIP Zal Yanovsky
           From: Marc Miller 
     10. Re: R.I.P. Zal
           From: Tim Viney 
     11. Roger Scott & James Hamilton
           From: Mike Edwards 
     12. Classic Gold/Emperor Rosko
           From: Mike Edwards 
     13. Ronnie Spector's Xmas Party
           From: Spectropop Team 
     14. Re: Darlene Love "I Love Him Like I Love My Very Life"
           From: Mick Patrick 
     15. Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton
           From: Richard Havers 
     16. Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton
           From: Simon White 
     17. Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton
           From: Paulus247 
     18. Norma Tanega
           From: Mike Edwards 
     19. The magic will set you free!
           From: Steve Harvey 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:37:38 -0500
   From: Javed Jafri 
Subject: Re: Christmas song?/Quoting everybody

> Stewart Mason:
> We can't forget Reunion's "Life Is A Rock (But the Radio Rolled
> Me)" ...try though some of us might.

Rat Pfink:
> Although that one didn't really quote anybody, it just did a lot
> of name checking...
> RP

Actually the song did quote a few song titles towards the end.. 
Do Da Do Da, Good Vibrations, Surfer Girl and Help Me Ronda (or was 
that Little Honda ).......and then a bit of self quoting for Joey 
Levine : Yummy Yummy followed by Sugar Sugar.  I want to Take You 
Higher is in there somewhere as well as a riff from Baby I Need Your 
Loving. Quite an accomplishment. What other record mentions all this 
plus Kama Sutra and Mott The Hoople?

Javed



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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:31:04 +1000 From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Re: "Just Another Guy" Phil wrote: > I have a version of "Just Another Guy" on an Australian release > by the Times, whoever they may be? The Times were from Perth (capital of the state of Western Australia). I'm not familiar with them, but I notice that their song "Glad Not Sad" charted in Melbourne at #40. I've always thought Cliff's version of "Just Another Guy" is one of his two or three very best tracks, one of those songs you can't believe was a B-side. (Lindsay's First Law of Spectropop: any much-cherished masterpiece that you think everyone else in the world has overlooked will eventually be mentioned in Spectropop.) In Sydney, the A-side charted at #7, and it was a #1 in the UK. However, Thomas J. Guest's Melbourne chart book lists it the other way round, as a double-sider at #9: "Just Another Guy"/"The Minute You're Gone". Ah, we Victorians always did have an ear for a fine pop song! Lindsay in Oz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:34:31 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Craig Douglas, Forrester,Hayride, more So far behind - so much to catch up with.... Frank Lipsius, thanks for the "Twang Gang" notes; wrote to you off-list and will be ordering. Jenny Luvver wrote: > Craig Douglas had quite a few hits on the UK charts in the > early '60s, most of them cover versions....I've never heard of > "Love Her While She's Young", though. London (US) 9611: "Danke Schoen"/"Love Her While She's Young", wr. Singleton, Roosevelt Music BMI, 1963. Haven't heard it in a while, but I remember it was very pleasant. "Danke Schoen" wasn't to my ears. Smokey Roberds mentioned Les Baxter - I have a very scratchy 78 of the astoundingly beautiful "Love Theme from 'The Robe'" on Capitol. Is this available on CD? JB wrote: > At the end [of 'Finding Forrester'] is a bright and breezy > rock-steady version of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" coupled > with [What A] "Wonderful World"....It made half the kids cry > it was so beautiful, to say nothing of the moistening mine > own eyes did. Anyone know who sang it???? < I loved it so much I bought the album! [Columbia CR 85350] (The recording was also used in a commercial for quite a while - I don't remember the product, but how could one forget the performance?) The artist is Israel Kamakawiwo'ole, originally released in 1993, apparently by The Mountain Apple Company/Big Boy Records of Hawaii. I can't remember the source of this, but he was one of the deans of Hawaiian singers, and he passed away within the last couple of years. Kingsley, thanks for http://www.revola.co.uk. I'd could buy up about half their catalog in one sitting. Might start with the Sandy Salisbury demos.... Apologies for misidentifying Atco as Colpix on Toni Wine's "Sisters of Sorrow" and for upsetting Dan re: my Bobby Russell comments. (Many records, many tastes.) One more on Russell: I remember a song by something like the Saturday Morning Cartoon Show called "Hayride" - sort of bubblegum, and quite catchy. Was that a Russell-Cason project too? More soon, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:21:49 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Castanets; Y & the Castanettes Brian Davy: > Yolanda & the Castanets - "Meet Me After School" > The Castanets - "I Love Him" > Both good songs, but are they the same Castanets, or > different Castanets altogether? Hi Brian, If you can play Yolanda to musica we might be able to apply the audible test and make an informed guess. The Big Book lists: Yolanda & Castanettes: Meet Me After School/What About Me on Tandem from 1961, and Castanets: I Love Him/Funky Wunky Piano on Tcf 1 from 1963. Each group appeared to make only one 45 each. Given that and the timespan between releases, they could well have been different groups. I have the Castanets on the M&M CD, Touch The Wall Of Sound Vol 1, and it's nice g-g sound arranged by Morty Craft. I have asked this before, but if any of our members who live in Japan have any information on Japanese dealers who might sell M&M and A-Side CDs, would they please write in. Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:07:07 -0000 From: Scott Subject: Darlene Love I was wondering if anyone knows where Darlene Love released "I Loved Him Like I Love My Very Life" I am sure I have heard this song by her but can't seem to find it it my collection. Was it on her LP that sold only on a cruise ship? (That sounds funny, but I believe it's true... please correct me if I'm wrong). Thanks, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:57:47 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Battle Of The Bands: Cliff vs The Times Nice entry from Phil Chapman: > I have a version of "Just Another Guy" on an Australian release > by the Times, whoever they may be? Also a b-side, with more or > less the same arrangement. Did they cover Cliff, or the Neil > Diamond demo? ....Incidentally, the A-side is a cover of Elvis' > "Tender Feeling", sung in soundalike fashion (to the tune of > "Shenandoah"), over a quasi-Shadows track. Thanks for playing the Times' "Just Another Guy" to musica, Phil. The arrangement is very similar to Cliff's even down to that slowed down ending and the lead vocals. The guitar backing track reminds me a little of the Ev's "Walk Right Back" in places. Who did it first? I don't know, but I can only imagine that with Cliff's A-side, "The Minute You're Gone" selling boatloads of copies in Cliff's territories (i.e. everywhere except the US), some enterprising individual flipped it over and thought that there may be the makings of a hit record. Cliff definitely has the better version with the full talents of Music City, USA behind him. What I don't understand is why Neil Diamond didn't step into Jeff, Ellie or Bert's office and say, "If you're looking for album tracks, I have this song". Maybe there's more to it? Yes, I would love to hear "Tender Feeling" by the Times. Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:11:18 +0000 From: Richard Willliams Subject: Re: Quotes I like it when quotes are used imaginatively, to enrich the meaning of a song. One of my favourites is by Springsteen: "Summer's here and the time is right/For racing in the street." A double quote, actually, because the music is based on the riff from "Then He Kissed Me". It works because the sombre mood of the song (by contrast with the source materials) says something about what it was like to grow up in the time between the early Sixties and the middle Seventies, about the death of innocence and the onset of adulthood. Actually it always makes me think of Paul LeMat's character, John Milner, in American Graffiti: the last American hero, fading into history. ("The Promise", a variation on the same theme, brings to mind Dennis Wilson and James Taylor in the great Two-Lane Blacktop.) Richard Williams -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:02:20 +1030 From: Norman Subject: The Times / Just Another Guy The Times covered "Just Another Guy" in 1965. This was the Western Australian group Terry Walker sang with prior to joining Glen Ingram and the Hi Five. He later joined the Strangers and covered Tony Burrow's "My Melanie Makes Me Smile". In 1965 I would fancy that the Cliff Richard version was sourced rather than Neil Diamond's. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:31:35 -0500 From: Marc Miller Subject: RIP Zal Yanovsky A Reuters' obituary for Zal Yanovsky can be found in the articles area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/articles/Zal%20Yanovsky.txt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:09:53 -0000 From: Tim Viney Subject: Re: R.I.P. Zal "Do You Believe In Magic" is one of my favourite singles from 1965. I can remember the first time I heard it - it made me rush out and buy it. Great guitar break. Tim -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:11:10 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Roger Scott & James Hamilton Those residing in the UK in the 70s may recall an oldies show on Capital Radio (broadcasting from London) hosted by Roger Scott. For the most part, Roger's music was supplied by UK collector/DJ, James Hamilton. I think Roger passed away in the late 80s at a horribly young age. James passed away about ten years' later and I got a list of his records that were being sold off by Bonhams, one of the London auction houses. As I recall they did two two-hour shows entitled "girls, girls, girls", before the girl group genre existed. The music was superb and I became a convert. They grouped the titles so you heard, for example, all the "party" and "16" songs batched together. Janie Black's "Lonely 16" was one of these titles. I now own a copy, thanks to that show because I certainly have not heard it on the radio since. I would be very grateful if fellow members would post some comments about either Roger Scott or James Hamilton. They truly were innovators. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:19:11 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Classic Gold/Emperor Rosko Always in search for radio shows that play lesser know oldies, I came across Classic Gold on the web and noted that one of the presenters was Pirate Radio great, Emperor Rosko now safely back home in his native LA. It appears that his show is on at 12:00 midday, London time, on Saturday and Sunday. Is his show any good or just an attempt to cash-in on a name from the past? Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:52:40 -0000 From: Spectropop Team Subject: Ronnie Spector's Xmas Party Posted to the Spectropop Public Bulletin Board by Joe Somsky of the Ellie Greenwich Fan Club: Hi Fans, Hope to see you all At Ronnie Spector's Xmas Party, Saturday December 21st, 08 p.m. at BB KING'S, 237 West 42nd Street, Manhattan. We will be Chevy's between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. for Munchies, (corner of 42nd St and 8th Ave, four doors down from BB KING'S). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:18 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Darlene Love "I Love Him Like I Love My Very Life" Original Message From Scott: > I was wondering if anyone knows where Darlene Love released > "I Loved Him Like I Love My Very Life" I am sure I have > heard this song by her but can't seem to find it it my > collection. Was it on her LP that sold only on a cruise ship? Nope, Darlene's "ILHLILMVL" was not contained on her "cruise ship LP". I believe the track was recorded c.1975, around about the same time as "Lord If You're A Woman". It was first issued on the various artists album "Phil Spector 74/79" on the Phil Spector International label (2307 015) in, erm, 1979. It was also contained on the PSI LP "Darlene Love Masters" (2335 236) two years later. The track has never been issued on a legal CD. That is to say, there are bootleg CDs around that feature the recording. Versions of the song were also recorded by Carla Thomas (Stax, 1971), Ronnie Spector (Apple, c.1971, unissued) and (Tony) Orlando & (Toni) Wine (Triad, 1984). The PSI albums credit authorship of "I Love Him Like I Love My Very Life" to Phil Spector. The song was actually co-written by him with Irwin Levine and Spectropop darling, Toni Wine. But you knew that already. Darlene Love herself seems to think she recorded the song some years prior to its issue. That may well be true. I would imagine the Spector/Wine/Levine team wrote it in the late-1960s, at the time of their other collaborative efforts such as "Black Pearl" and "You Came, You Saw, You Conquered". Maybe when Toni and her hubby Allan return from their Christmas break they'll tell us for sure. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:27:41 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton Loved Roger Scott's show. His 'Three o'clock Thrill' was one of the best things on the radio and his love of the music he played showed through in everything he did. He was a guy who played what he loved. Of course now he wouldn't even get a job on the radio. The programme controllers would not tolerate someone who loved music and knew so much more about it than they do! There is a direct correlation between the decline in radio and the decline in the role of the individual DJ. I well remember a friend of mine, Graham Dene, on Capitol Radio in London playing Zoom by Fat Larry's Band which was on an album. Motown hadn't released it as a single but Graham played it and played it until they did. I think it made No.2 in the UK. can't see that happening now. People who love music and champion artists and songs are what turned most, if not all of us onto music. Now we have a computer that 'selects' what we hear. The programmers insist they can programme the computers to take account of changes in the weather, the time of day, the direction of the wind and whatever else. Problem is there is no substitute for passion, and passion it what is missing on the radio in Britain. I am fed up with hearing people in the music business talk about product.....it's never been easy to be passionate about product. OK soap box away, time for some real music........ Best Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:22:32 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton Mike Edwards wrote: > I would be very grateful if fellow members would post some comments > about either Roger Scott or James Hamilton. They truly were innovators. I remember the show well - I had requests under many different names for very obvious things - didn't Roger Scott do a Rock and Roll show too, or was that someone else? James Hamilton wrote an influential dance column for Record Mirror for many years. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:37:30 EST From: Paulus247 Subject: Re: Roger Scott & James Hamilton I remember James Hamilton used to have a fantastic Disco column in Record Mirror in the late 70s, I was a huge fan. I'd love to re-read it now. Sorry to hear he died. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:23:54 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Norma Tanega Norma Tanega was clearly 35 years ahead of her time. Back in 1966, she recorded the song, "Walking My Cat Named Dog" on New Voice (and available on the great double CD, "The DynoVoice Story"). In the current Eminem film "8 Mile" everyone is referred to as "dog". So I call one of my cats, "dog" and he doesn't seem to object. Now, as for a street that rhymes at 6;00 am, well I'm still working on that! PS "The DynoVoice Story", now sadly discontinued, was one of my favorite purchases this year. I just wish someone would play Hal Miller's version of "Blessing In Disguise" to musica. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:24:57 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: The magic will set you free! Tim Viney wrote: > "Do You Believe In Magic" is one of my favourite singles from 1965. > I can remember the first time I heard it - it made me rush out and > buy it. Great guitar break. Yeah Tim, the guitar break is great, partly because Zally's licks, for the most part, sound very countryish. Strange on a pop single, but it works. The tune is currently being used on a car commercial. It's like the sixth or seventh Spoon tune used for commercials. Steve -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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